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BudmanTX

BudmanTX

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DIY-HP-LED said:
Losing turf, they had since 2014 is seen as very bad! A major advance in the east would be bad for Vlad, it is one place he can't afford to lose, like Crimea. If they force them to fight at the end of a long logistical line south of Kherson, it would be better for them if they can get far enough inland to protect their river crossings. They might end up trapping the Russians in much of southern Ukraine by cutting off access to Crimea and cutting their lines further east where they are breaking through. If they have no fuel they can't move, if they have no ammo they can't fight and if they have no food they will starve. The Russians are not prepared for winter fighting like the Ukrainians are who are close to home and support, I think many Russians will end up with frost bite and hypothermia before spring, just as they did in the last winter.
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according to some reports i've read, Ukraine has a 8 to 10km beachhead, if they can control that road from the Kerch Bridge to Nova, the russians are pretty well cut off, but UA has to get to the M-14 highway to do it or at least get fire control over the highway, once they do that Kherson is open for buisness
 
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Putin Appears To Forget He Started The 'Tragedy' Of War In Ukraine In Bizarre G20 Appearance
This pool photograph distributed by Russian state agency Sputnik shows Russia's President Vladimir Putin taking part in a virtual G20 leaders' summit in Moscow on November 22, 2023.

Vladimir Putin seemed to forget he initiated the war in Ukraine during his surprise appearance at a virtual G20 summit on Wednesday. In his first address to the leaders of the world’s largest economies since the Ukraine-Russia conflict began in 2022, the Russian president called for leaders to “stop the tragedy” occurring in the neighbouring country. After some leaders said they were shocked by the Russian “aggression” in Ukraine, Putin replied: “Yes, of course, military actions are always a tragedy. “And of course, we should think about how to stop this tragedy. By the way, Russia has never refused peace talks with Ukraine.”

Why was this comment so surprising?
Putin’s remarks omit his own role in starting the conflict. Back in February 2022, after weeks of growing aggression and building up troops near the Ukrainian border, the Russian president ordered his forces into Ukraine. He claimed it was important to “demilitarise” the country, and made baseless neo-Nazi allegations about the Ukrainian government to justify the invasion. It was part of what he dubbed the “special military operation” – he has only referred to the 21-month long fight as a “war” sparingly. So it was also pretty surprising when Putin used the word “war” to describe the conflict in Ukraine during his G20 meeting. He said: “I understand that this war, and the death of people, cannot but shock.”

Who did Putin blame for the war, then?
Putin pivoted the G20′s attention to pre-war tensions, by claiming Ukraine had been persecuting people in the east of its country. This is a reference to the separatist movement which started to gain traction in eastern Ukraine after Ukraine’s 2013 Maidan Revolution and Putin annexed Crimea in 2014. According to the UN, approximately 14,000 people were killed in the subsequent conflict as Russian-backed separatists fought Ukrainian forces. Putin also pivoted the conversation towards the ongoing Israel-Hamas war, saying: “And the extermination of the civilian population in Palestine, in the Gaza Strip today, is not shocking?” The Russian president has positioned himself as a potential mediator in the Middle East conflict since it broke out last month.

What else did Putin’s comments reveal?
Putin’s remarks were correct in that there really is a tragedy still unfolding in Ukraine – it’s Europe’s deadliest conflict since World War 2. The UN Human Rights Office said on Tuesday that more than 10,000 civilians have been killed in Ukraine since Russia invaded, although the real toll is expected to be “significantly higher”. According to Reuters, Danielle Bell from the head of the UN monitoring mission, said the “severe human cost” in Ukraine right now is “painful to fathom.” Russia has been accused of targeting civilian structures in Ukraine too, although Moscow has denied this. Ukraine has also only agreed to peace negotiations if Russia agrees to hand back all of the Ukrainian land (one fifth of its total land mass) it has illegally annexed since 2014 – which includes the peninsula of Crimea. But Putin claims this area now belongs to Russia. He also broke international law by illegally annexing four other regions in eastern Ukraine in September 2022. Putin’s words also come after a senior Russian official said Moscow could not co-exist with the current government in Ukraine.

Why was Putin’s appearance at the virtual summit a surprise?
The Russian leader has barely left Russia since the the International Criminal Court issued an arrest warrant for him over the illegal deportation of Ukrainian children. He did visit Iran back in July and ventured to Belarus last December, but has steered clear of any NATO country since February 2022 – so his virtual appearance at the summit was a big deal. He sent his foreign minister Sergey Lavrov to the last two G20 meetings in India and Indonesia, and has not attended a summit meeting in person since 2019.
ca.yahoo.com

Putin Appears To Forget He Started The 'Tragedy' Of War In Ukraine In Bizarre G20 Appearance

Russian president said: "We should think about how to stop this tragedy."
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sunni

sunni

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I give them a chance to tone things down so that (even though they are wrong) their side gets told. But if you want us to ignore new posters if they do not fall in line with the general consensus I can do that and only nip at HP's heels.
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difference between a real user talking about their opinions than a troll who signs up with a troll name and 1 post directly in politics, already knowing how to quote etc I am POSITIVE in your ability to sus this out ;)
 
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sunni said:
difference between a real user talking about their opinions than a troll who signs up with a troll name and 1 post directly in politics, already knowing how to quote etc I am POSITIVE in your ability to sus this out ;)
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I answered the post and then thought to check how many 'he' had, rewrote the post when I found out it was the first. As I said, I give the benefit of the doubt in order to not be accused we shut down real people who do not share our opinions in this forum. Was it a real person? I do not know as there was not enough content given to determine. The previous one that you mentioned actually gave answers to my post and was not being offensive so I gave the same benefit of the doubt I would give a real person (not knowing it was not a real person).

Might as well have a rule change, no answering trolls until they have 50 posts in other sections. I did checked out the previous troll you mentioned. Seemed to have had plenty of pot related posts before dipping his/it toe in the politics section. Since they were polite I did not see the harm in replying. I will put a stop to that to make life easier.
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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All those magats who support Russia should do so by booking their vacation there and they can tour the country by air for really cheap! Mother Russia needs those tourist dollars, and you can do more than just demand Ukrainian funding be cut.

PS They are also paying good money to join the Russian army, if you can live to collect and they actually pay you. Be all you can be for Mother Russia, be meat for the Ukrainian meat grinder.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1727698972767089109
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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cannabineer said:
Crimea needs ammonium nitrate by the truckload!
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Vlad will have to pay the Chinese up front in gold! Russia has been complaining about China, seems Xi wants to chart a middle course and avoid conflict since they are having serious financial and other issues at home, trouble with the west would just compound their problems. So, they are careful about the trade they do with the Russians.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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DIY-HP-LED said:
Vlad will have to pay the Chinese up front in gold! Russia has been complaining about China, seems Xi wants to chart a middle course and avoid conflict since they are having serious financial and other issues at home, trouble with the west would just compound their problems. So, they are careful about the trade they do with the Russians.
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and this has what to do with driving twenty tons of high explosive through a tunnel?
 
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