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cannabineer said:
Tactical shift around Avdiivka

(ref. the above conversation, the West might provide useful aid in the form of jamming and direct electronic warfare resources to limit Russian success in this next phase.)

www.forbes.com

The Russians Couldn’t Take Avdiivka With Tanks. They Couldn’t Take It With Infantry. Now They’re Trying With Drones.

After two months, the Russian assault on Avdiivka appears to be petering out. That does not mean the Russians are done with Avdiivka, however. They're sending in drones.
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Nato does not want to give the Russians (and thereby the Chinese) the capabilities it has in electronic warfare. Once they know the capabilities they will find a way to counteract it over time. And Nato does not want to find out one of their best toys need to go back to the drawing board just as they need it.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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printer said:
Nato does not want to give the Russians (and thereby the Chinese) the capabilities it has in electronic warfare. Once they know the capabilities they will find a way to counteract it over time. And Nato does not want to find out one of their best toys need to go back to the drawing board just as they need it.
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I wasn’t thinking about hardware/software on the cutting edge.
I’m sure stuff from two, three generations back would work without risking a serious tech forfeit. The whiz-bang stuff Popular Mechanics always gets wrong can stay home.
 
Bagginski

Bagginski

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Sativied said:
What does 'it' mean in this context, the aid package from the US not being approved? This isn’t just on US republicans, the largest pending aid package is from the EU
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“It” means deciding it’s time to lose our temper. It was to a remark of clear frustration & disappointment that you made, and was meant to support you, and to remind you that it’s these sorts of frustrations that can break the focus we need to maintain…in hopes of avoiding HAVING to lose our temper.

The Ukraine aid was the context of your exasperation, I think, but it was not the context of my comment
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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Bagginski said:
“It” means deciding it’s time to lose our temper. It was to a remark of clear frustration & disappointment that you made, and was meant to support you, and to remind you that it’s these sorts of frustrations that can break the focus we need to maintain…in hopes of avoiding HAVING to lose our temper.

The Ukraine aid was the context of your exasperation, I think, but it was not the context of my comment
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Thank you for providing the compassion I omitted. I sometimes miss things I should not.
 
Bagginski

Bagginski

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cannabineer said:
Tactical shift around Avdiivka

(ref. the above conversation, the West might provide useful aid in the form of jamming and direct electronic warfare resources to limit Russian success in this next phase.)

www.forbes.com

The Russians Couldn’t Take Avdiivka With Tanks. They Couldn’t Take It With Infantry. Now They’re Trying With Drones.

After two months, the Russian assault on Avdiivka appears to be petering out. That does not mean the Russians are done with Avdiivka, however. They're sending in drones.
www.forbes.com www.forbes.com
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I wouldn’t expect to hear about it if it were something out of detection range…I wonder how many decommissioned communications satellites are still in orbit? Does ground still have contact? Was skunkworks ever involved in any of this? (“I’m just asking!”)

Bottom line, tho: I wouldn’t expect a Russian grunt to do better with a drone than with anything else

No, I’m not trying to be funny
 
Bagginski

Bagginski

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cannabineer said:
I’m no tactician, but I see danger in feeding the fighters and their pilots piecemeal into the contested space. The best way to improve a fighter’s lifespan is to have several other fighters in the air with or near him. I wouldn’t expect Ukraine to risk such a flagship asset until they have enough of them that they can defend one another.
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Such a *terrific* point! Gosh, I love people who can think…and will
 
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CCGNZ

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BudmanTX said:
Training for the F16's is in Romania, this way as soon as there done training they can go straight to theatre. I was personally looking at attack Helo's like maybe early Apache or something like that or even a few Black Hawks for troop deployment......
Damn right,how about surplus Cobra's before the Zulu variant,to expect Ukraine to run through 3 belts of prepared defenses funneling into artillery kill zones without any air presence was a fools errand and I give Ukraine props for even trying,we all know NATO armor doesn't move an inch without air superiority. The only valid criticism is that Ukraine tried a 2 pronged offensive rather than concentrating all combat power in the south as US officials advised.
cannabineer said:
I’m no tactician, but I see danger in feeding the fighters and their pilots piecemeal into the contested space. The best way to improve a fighter’s lifespan is to have several other fighters in the air with or near him. I wouldn’t expect Ukraine to risk such a flagship asset until they have enough of them that they can defend one another.
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Sativied

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"BRUSSELS, Dec 14 (Reuters) - Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban insisted on Thursday that the European Union should not yet start talks on Ukraine joining the bloc, a lone stand-out ahead of an EU summit that comes at a critical time for Kyiv in its war against Russia.

Orban is also blocking giving 50 billion euros ($54 billion) in financial aid for Kyiv from the EU budget, but signalled he could back could back long-term aid outside the EU budget, opening a door for some form of deal on that front."

Paying 10.2 billion in euros to Hungary (population 10mil) didn't have the desired effect on Orban. Shows he's not a good fit for the EU, violating rule nr 1 "do as we say else you don't get billions in EU funding". With Donald Tusk in charge again in Poland Orban won't find a partner in them as they have in the past when it comes to obstructing EU plans. Good thing the new nazi regime in NL hasn't formed a cabinet yet but then the populist leader who won in NL is in not pro-Russia or Putin's buddy like Orban.
 
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CCGNZ

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cannabineer said:
I’m no tactician, but I see danger in feeding the fighters and their pilots piecemeal into the contested space. The best way to improve a fighter’s lifespan is to have several other fighters in the air with or near him. I wouldn’t expect Ukraine to risk such a flagship asset until they have enough of them that they can defend one another.
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We should be equipping them with some "wild weasel"( SAM countering variant) and radar jamming capability as well.
cannabineer said:
I wasn’t thinking about hardware/software on the cutting edge.
I’m sure stuff from two, three generations back would work without risking a serious tech forfeit. The whiz-bang stuff Popular Mechanics always gets wrong can stay home.
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Exactly,not talking the latest F/A 18 "growler" or any tech we'd use today,how about the tech of the A-6 " prowler" of the early 2000's or throwing the Ukes the jamming pods for the f-16's from 15-20 yrs. ago.
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