Pretty sobering,Ukraine can't squander resources and waste manpower,equally trading resources is a W for Putin,no armchair general here but in retrospect 2 pronged offensive diverted the power and shock value of a concentrated attack. The narrator bemoans the slow supply of the West but this ignores some of the West's deep seated fear of a total Russian rout and what a desperate Putin could resort to. As I've said the West due to the nuclear threat is more interested in Ukraine not losing than actually winning. Consider the use of ONE nuclear weapon and the shock it would entail globally,the effects would be phsycological, economical,and the world we be on edge leading to consequences unknown. With the world already in turmoil,I hate to ponder the day after a nuke is actually used in anger in this war. . This scenario dominates the minds of all contributing powers arming Ukraine.
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Putin will not be using a nuke, China already sat Putin down and schooled him. And a nuke is only good to knock out a big structure or area, on the battlefield of Ukraine there is nothing they can not do with conventional bombs. The problem with Ukraine loosing the positions to Russia is that they are highly defensively towns and it will cost Ukraine dearly in manpower to take it back.
From the rest of the video I get the feeling the Russians just barely sent enough soldiers to halt the Ukrainians during the year so they could amass the amount of soldiers to give a big push now before the vote in Russia in March.
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Trump vows to make Europe pay for U.S. military Ukraine aid if re-elected
U.S. presidential candidate Donald Trump said on July 18 that if elected, he will ask Europe to cover the U.S. costs of restoring stockpiles of weapons sent to Ukraine.
"I will ask Europe to reimburse us for the cost of rebuilding the stockpiles sent to Ukraine, which they should be doing now, but Joe Biden is too weak, too disrespected," the former president said in his campaign video.
Trump complained that European countries spend less than the U.S. on their aid for Ukraine, and criticized the incumbent President Joe Biden for "emptying out" the country's military stockpiles.
He also attacked the foreign policy of the Biden administration. Trump said that the idea of admitting Ukraine to NATO at this time is "completely unhinged," and that the U.S. is risking nuclear war with Russia or China.
In spite of Trump's insinuations, Biden said that Ukraine cannot join the Alliance while at war, and Kyiv has not yet received a membership invitation.
The Republican candidate who served as the 45th president vowed to return the U.S. to the "America First" policy, and to work to restore "peace and stability" in Eastern Europe and to "stop people from dying."
Trump is currently the most popular Republican candidate in the upcoming primaries for the 2024 presidential election, according to opinion polls. As many as 48% of the respondents will support him in the primaries, while 22% will back Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, a poll published by YouGov and the Economist on July 8-11 revealed.
The former president claimed on July 17 that if re-elected, he would be able to restore peace between Russia and Ukraine.
"I would tell Zelensky, no more. You got to make a deal. I would tell Putin, if you don't make a deal, we're going to give him a lot. We're going to (give Ukraine) more than they ever got if we have to," Trump said, adding that "he will have the deal done in one day."
Trump has previously criticized the Biden administration for spending too many resources on supporting Ukraine.
news.yahoo.com
U.S. presidential candidate Donald Trump said on July 18 that if elected, he will ask Europe to cover the U.S. costs of restoring stockpiles of weapons sent to Ukraine.
"I will ask Europe to reimburse us for the cost of rebuilding the stockpiles sent to Ukraine, which they should be doing now, but Joe Biden is too weak, too disrespected," the former president said in his campaign video.
Trump complained that European countries spend less than the U.S. on their aid for Ukraine, and criticized the incumbent President Joe Biden for "emptying out" the country's military stockpiles.
He also attacked the foreign policy of the Biden administration. Trump said that the idea of admitting Ukraine to NATO at this time is "completely unhinged," and that the U.S. is risking nuclear war with Russia or China.
In spite of Trump's insinuations, Biden said that Ukraine cannot join the Alliance while at war, and Kyiv has not yet received a membership invitation.
The Republican candidate who served as the 45th president vowed to return the U.S. to the "America First" policy, and to work to restore "peace and stability" in Eastern Europe and to "stop people from dying."
Trump is currently the most popular Republican candidate in the upcoming primaries for the 2024 presidential election, according to opinion polls. As many as 48% of the respondents will support him in the primaries, while 22% will back Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, a poll published by YouGov and the Economist on July 8-11 revealed.
The former president claimed on July 17 that if re-elected, he would be able to restore peace between Russia and Ukraine.
"I would tell Zelensky, no more. You got to make a deal. I would tell Putin, if you don't make a deal, we're going to give him a lot. We're going to (give Ukraine) more than they ever got if we have to," Trump said, adding that "he will have the deal done in one day."
Trump has previously criticized the Biden administration for spending too many resources on supporting Ukraine.
Trump vows to make Europe pay for U.S. military Ukraine aid if re-elected
U.S. presidential candidate Donald Trump said on July 18 that if elected, he will ask Europe to cover the U.S. costs of restoring stockpiles of weapons sent to Ukraine.
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BudmanTX
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be kinda nice if they could ....
be forewarned the Russians are starting the learn this kind of warfare as well...
be forewarned the Russians are starting the learn this kind of warfare as well...
BudmanTX
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well well well.....look what we have here...
interesting hiding place.....hmmm
interesting hiding place.....hmmm
BudmanTX
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yeah that was a cool clip in the beginning, shop owner lady went all out....props
Do you really think if Russian forces were split in 2 w/a drive to the Sea of Azov,then Ukraine turned right and moved on isolated Russian forces in Crimea that Putin wouldn't use a nuke, I'm not sold on that,though seemingly Ukraine achieving that prospective scenario seems very slim,I think we should have convinced Ukraine and not pushed them to launch a offensive last summer in spite of the newly formed Brigades w/Western armor.We should have provided attack choppers/jets and trained them up then have at it w/a big thrust covered by some semblance of air support this coming summer and accepted 2023 to be a static yr. and preserve Ukraine's best troops for a big 2024. I don't think Putin would give a FK what China thinks if he perceived Russian sovereignty as threatened which would probably be his conclusion were his forces split and Crimea threatened severely.
BudmanTX
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i don't see Putin going the nuke option, for one it would destroy any communication lines cause of the pulse it would generate for one, 2 the international community would publicly condem him and putin doesn't want that, 3: most nukes he does have haven't been redone, no one knows if they actually work especially will all the double dealing that been done behind everyones back.......
if you actually look at the battle map, and trust i'm no armchair, you'll notice in a since that the Russian force have been split, they can't figure out weither to keep troops in Kherson or move to Zap or Donesk for fortifications, so the troops on the Kherson side are getting fewer and fewer, also look at defensive structures, Kherson has none to speak of with the exception of the river, and that won't stop UA, this basically put Russia on 4 fronts, Kherson, Zap, Donesk, and Lhuansk....current report in Donesk is that Russia lost 20k of troops around Adviika, gaining 2km and loosing 20k, not good odds imo...if they can't keep this up, hopefully by the time spring comes and UA has some air power the could make a push for the Sea of Azov.....and Crimea, we shall see overall
Hope I'm wrong, I guess I factor in the way the world is trending in general and the fact that who in Russia would regulate Putin were he to go off the rails,seems to me many in Russia are so proud of the capability,hope it's boastful pride only.
BudmanTX
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i have hope that it won't get there in the first place, i have read a lot of saber rattling from his deputies and such, but that's pretty much what it is. Regulate Putin.....oh that funny right there....lol.....the only person that regulates putin, is putin himself. And when it comes to the mofo, there are reports he has cancer, and that most of what you see of putin right now are all his doubles and triples etc etc
printer
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Just think about it. What would Russia target with a nuke? Will they nuke a city with a tactical nuke? Russia will be a pariah state after that, worse than NK. Might even start a war with Nato, doubt Putin will go for that.
printer
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Slovakia threatens to veto Ukraine’s potential NATO accession
Slovak PM Robert Fico, known for his pro-Russian stance, said he would veto Ukraine's admission into NATO.
In an interview with Slovak outlet InfoVojna on Dec. 19, Fico stated he would use his veto to block Ukraine's NATO entry as long as he has "the ability to influence the Slovak political scene."
"It's not surprising that the party that holds the majority in the Slovak government would disagree with Ukraine's membership in NATO, as it would be the beginning of World War III," he said.
The PM also mentioned that Ukraine's accession to the EU would take years, although he is not against Ukraine's European integration in principle — if the country fulfills all conditions.
On Oct. 1, the pro-Russian party Smer-SD led by Fico won the parliamentary elections in Slovakia. He has been a vocal opponent of supporting Ukraine and its accession to NATO.
Fico has declared that Slovakia will cease military assistance to Ukraine and will focus solely on humanitarian support. He also contends, "It would be better for Ukraine and Russia to negotiate over the decade than to continue killing each other."
Previously, he has echoed false Russian narratives, claiming "the war started in 2014 when Ukrainian Nazis and fascists began killing Russian citizens in Donbas and Luhansk."
au.news.yahoo.com
Slovak PM Robert Fico, known for his pro-Russian stance, said he would veto Ukraine's admission into NATO.
In an interview with Slovak outlet InfoVojna on Dec. 19, Fico stated he would use his veto to block Ukraine's NATO entry as long as he has "the ability to influence the Slovak political scene."
"It's not surprising that the party that holds the majority in the Slovak government would disagree with Ukraine's membership in NATO, as it would be the beginning of World War III," he said.
The PM also mentioned that Ukraine's accession to the EU would take years, although he is not against Ukraine's European integration in principle — if the country fulfills all conditions.
On Oct. 1, the pro-Russian party Smer-SD led by Fico won the parliamentary elections in Slovakia. He has been a vocal opponent of supporting Ukraine and its accession to NATO.
Fico has declared that Slovakia will cease military assistance to Ukraine and will focus solely on humanitarian support. He also contends, "It would be better for Ukraine and Russia to negotiate over the decade than to continue killing each other."
Previously, he has echoed false Russian narratives, claiming "the war started in 2014 when Ukrainian Nazis and fascists began killing Russian citizens in Donbas and Luhansk."
Slovakia threatens to veto Ukraine’s potential NATO accession
Slovak PM Robert Fico, known for his pro-Russian stance, said he would veto Ukraine's admission into NATO.
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Ukraine moves to legalize medical marijuana to help treat trauma of war
Ukraine’s parliament on Thursday adopted a new law legalizing medical marijuana to help treat PTSD and oncological diseases acquired as a result of war, according to the official website of Ukraine’s parliament, the Verkhovna Rada.
Access to medical marijuana as treatment for war-related conditions has garnered momentum recently, as the country approaches nearly two years since Russia launched its invasion of the country.
The law was adopted with 248 votes in favor, 16 votes against, 33 abstentions and 40 members not voting. The new law will only take effect after six months.
The law would regulate “the circulation of hemp plants (Cannabis) for medical, industrial purposes, scientific and scientific-technical activities to create conditions for expanding patient access to the necessary treatment of oncological diseases and post-traumatic stress disorders, received as a result of the war,” according to the final version of the bill.
The parliament’s chair, Ruslan Stefanchuk, said, “The list of conditions and ways of using cannabis medicines will be determined by the Ministry of Health.”
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has pushed for greater access to medical marijuana as treatment for war-related conditions. In June 2023, he addressed his country’s parliament in calling for the drug’s legalizing.
“We must finally fairly legalize cannabis-based medicines for all those who need them, with appropriate scientific research and controlled Ukrainian production,” Zelensky said, according to translation of local press.
“All the world’s best practices, all the most effective policies, all the solutions, no matter how difficult or unusual they may seem to us, must be applied to Ukraine so that Ukrainians, all out citizens, do not have to endure the pain, stress and trauma of war,” Zelensky added.
thehill.com
Putin will call Zelensky an addict. Oh wait he has.
Ukraine’s parliament on Thursday adopted a new law legalizing medical marijuana to help treat PTSD and oncological diseases acquired as a result of war, according to the official website of Ukraine’s parliament, the Verkhovna Rada.
Access to medical marijuana as treatment for war-related conditions has garnered momentum recently, as the country approaches nearly two years since Russia launched its invasion of the country.
The law was adopted with 248 votes in favor, 16 votes against, 33 abstentions and 40 members not voting. The new law will only take effect after six months.
The law would regulate “the circulation of hemp plants (Cannabis) for medical, industrial purposes, scientific and scientific-technical activities to create conditions for expanding patient access to the necessary treatment of oncological diseases and post-traumatic stress disorders, received as a result of the war,” according to the final version of the bill.
The parliament’s chair, Ruslan Stefanchuk, said, “The list of conditions and ways of using cannabis medicines will be determined by the Ministry of Health.”
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has pushed for greater access to medical marijuana as treatment for war-related conditions. In June 2023, he addressed his country’s parliament in calling for the drug’s legalizing.
“We must finally fairly legalize cannabis-based medicines for all those who need them, with appropriate scientific research and controlled Ukrainian production,” Zelensky said, according to translation of local press.
“All the world’s best practices, all the most effective policies, all the solutions, no matter how difficult or unusual they may seem to us, must be applied to Ukraine so that Ukrainians, all out citizens, do not have to endure the pain, stress and trauma of war,” Zelensky added.
Ukraine moves to legalize medical marijuana to help treat trauma of war
Ukraine’s parliament on Thursday adopted a new law legalizing medical marijuana to help treat PTSD and oncological diseases acquired as a result of war, according to the official website of Ukraine…
thehill.com
Putin will call Zelensky an addict. Oh wait he has.
Definately possible,who really knows ,maybe CIA,word is Russia is so penetrated they know what he's having for dinner before he takes a bite,over the yrs. I've tried to look at things from the Russian point of view and respect the grit of ordinary Russians, not blaming the West but w/a little better understanding things could have been different. Above all things Russia just really craved respect and there were times that Western arrogance did not help things at all. At this point it will take decades to repair any semblance of a relationship.
I also doubt it,but for diff. reasons,I think Western apprehension concerning this scenario has influenced the military aid to the degree that Russia won't be put in the position to consider using a nuke. Not to mention that an actual weapon isn't the only thing on the threat table,the plant at Zaporizhzhia remains in a precarious state also if heavy combat approaches that area or some kind of false flag incident takes place. Once again maybe far fetched but look at the carelessness that happened in the early days of the war at Chernobyl.Admittedly as time has gone on fears have been tempered,initially I thought the Russians would trip when we provided stingers and javelins that killed many soldiers and airmen. As long as this conflict stays hot,risk remains whatever the odds.
Sativied
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Netherlands to supply Ukraine with 18 F-16 fighter jets
The Netherlands will supply Ukraine with eighteen F-16 fighter jets, Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte confirmed on Friday. He wrote on social media that he notified his Ukrainian counterpart, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, of the caretaker Cabinet's decision during a phone call on Friday morning.
nltimes.nl
Officially confirmed, by our caretaker PM and cabinet that fell earlier this year... Actually, it'll take so long for a new cabinet to form, the F16 jets will already be Ukraine by then.
But then there's this:
'It's fragile': Experts doubt F-16 will take off from Ukraine
Increasingly, experts are agreeing with an analysis made by us earlier this year. Ukraine's runways are not equipped for the takeoff of "such delicate F-16".
bulgarianmilitary.com
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Including this:
Gavrilov declared that Russia stands prepared to enforce stringent measures should NATO airfields serve as a launching pad for fighter jets transferred to Kyiv. The envoy insisted on differentiating between facilitating aircraft transfers to Kyiv and allowing Ukraine’s military forces to use NATO countries’ air bases. The latter, he emphasized, could provoke “serious consequences”.
So, nuclear threat is not a good excuse for not "facilitating aircraft transfers to Kyiv" more and more.
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Crave respect? You mean they want to be seen as equals to the US, EU or China? They have a GDP less than Italy. What would made Putin feel respected would have been allowing him to have a veto on all the countries that went their own way after the breakup of the Soviet Union.