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What would be the value of soybeans that produced olive oil be? It would seem to be cheaper than someone making it in a bioreactor from yeast cells, probably much easier to play with plant genes when dealing with another plant. Betting on companies in this business could be very risky business and they will want to diversify quickly to avoid getting cut out by other methods. What if they raised some high yield genetically modified plant that could produce multiple milk proteins and or the milk fats? Not just farmers would be threatened, those producing milk proteins from yeast might be threatened too. Digital cameras replaced film cameras in a decade, and they were replaced by cellphones for the most part in another decade. The biotechnology industry will be no different than any other in that regard and for commodities, production costs rule. Olive oil is expensive, and trees take a long time to grow, they might even produce a better tasting and heathier oil at much higher efficiencies and volume that is easier to process than natural olive oil.

Food is more than meat and fish, but their production has the most profound impact on the environment and cause a lot of carbon emissions. Livestock production has large environmental, vested interests and political issues surrounding it as does a lot of the food industry where profit margins are generally low, and industrial biotech is the new kid on the block of food production.

 

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I still reallyreally wanna know the numbers behind these mileage claims. A 950-mile Cayenne must be quite a thing.

And, of course, 2+MW chargers.

I dunno, I don't follow heavy EVs like north American half tons and SUVs they are too heavy for the transition. Even with better batteries you still would need to pump a lot of charging power into one of these inefficient behemoths. It's mostly driven by people with trucker fantasies, little men in big trucks that will never see a load in the truck bed or be driven off asphalt.

 

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Food is more than meat and fish

indeed. Eggs, cheese, poultry and butter complete what is food. Add marine mollusks and arthropods for those fancy eatin days.

 

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I dunno, I don't follow heavy EVs like north American half tons and SUVs they are too heavy for the transition. Even with better batteries you still would need to pump a lot of charging power into one of these inefficient behemoths. It's mostly driven by people with trucker fantasies, little men in big trucks that will never see a load in the truck bed or be driven off asphalt.

I’m homing in on Porsche. They make fast cars and SUVs for congenital Republicans. They don’t touch anything in the Prius class.

So I’m curious what sort of vehicle targeted at the Porsche-buyer demographic gets 950 miles out of one of these mythical batteries. It won’t be only 200kWh. Not even the cheapie Treasla Model Why has that kind of efficiency over distance.

 

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indeed. Eggs, cheese, poultry and butter complete what is food. Add marine mollusks and arthropods for those fancy eatin days.

I like the idea of using mollusks like oysters, mussels and others to filter fish farm waste and use it for food along with kelp and could see a closed system on land using sterile seawater to do it with everything powered by solar. It would have 3 main products, fish, clam's oysters and mussels along with kelp grown on ropes and harvested automatically by just passing the rope through the harvester. A polyculture setup, like a mini self-contained ecosystem, solar powered and algae-based fertilizer or insect derived fish food input. You can start from garbage and waste for food sources and most of it is run by automation and robots.

 

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I’m homing in on Porsche. They make fast cars and SUVs for congenital Republicans. They don’t touch anything in the Prius class.

So I’m curious what sort of vehicle targeted at the Porsche-buyer demographic gets 950 miles out of one of these mythical batteries. It won’t be only 200kWh. Not even the cheapie Treasla Model Why has that kind of efficiency over distance.

Since the EV trend has become clear, I've lost a bit of interest in the details and keep an eye on the technical innovations in the battery industry, we know how to make EVs. There is a whole industry that either adapted or or new and covering electric transportation and any publicly available info is not hard to find. Sometimes there are trade secrets, patents, or warranty expectations and especially investor expectations, so things need to be tempered for some large companies. These guys in Europe are terrified of cheap Chinese EVs hitting the European market and undercutting them on price by a lot, an eyewatering amount!

 

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Just to cover the Chinese invasion of EVs a bit and why automakers in Europe and America are terrified. They plan on breaking in through Mexico and eastern European countries with assembly and battery plants. They don't depend on cheap labor for EVs or batteries, but on high levels of automation. There are some forecasts that say they could be selling sub compact sized EVs of about $5000USD by 2030 (in today's dollars).

This is just the beginning, if America and Europe sit on their asses, and wants to be great again good luck looking back. The Chinese challenge should be a sputnik moment where America invests in educating the next generation of engineers, scientists and educated entrepreneurs, like they did when sputnik beeped over their heads. Instead, republicans don't like no big guberment and are completely absorbed in utter bullshit, fear and hate, forget policy and the future, especially forget the kids, except the unborn of course, but it is the future of those kids at stake. They need RESPONSIBLE adults, not fear and hate driven imbecilic suckers enthralled to a moronic psychopath!

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They are already selling small EVs in China for under $5K and by 2030 the batteries will be a lot better and cheaper. It will allow a bigger car for about the same cost and since the battery will be better and lighter it should have decent range and performance. A $5000 dollar car could be nearly bought on a whim and used for daily commuting into the city for work and plugged in to even 120 volts overnight to top up the battery. In 2030 the batteries will be cheaper and better, and the thing will be mostly built by robots in a renewables powered factory in Mexico and Eastern Europe. It seems possible and if there is a buck in it, likely.

North American and European automakers are worried and can't compete on price, prop them up screwing the consumer with tariffs until they catch up. What incentive would they have to improve while on the government dole at everybody else's expense, tariffs are taxes that Americans and others pay. Adapt or die is the rule of nature and capitalism and tariffs screw with economic evolution.

There is an old technical saying, don't get behind the power curve and America and Europe did.

 

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Since the EV trend has become clear, I've lost a bit of interest in the details and keep an eye on the technical innovations in the battery industry, we know how to make EVs. There is a whole industry that either adapted or or new and covering electric transportation and any publicly available info is not hard to find. Sometimes there are trade secrets, patents, or warranty expectations and especially investor expectations, so things need to be tempered for some large companies. These guys in Europe are terrified of cheap Chinese EVs hitting the European market and undercutting them on price by a lot, an eyewatering amount!

Not yet, not really.

A new Tesla motor is like five figures. And they only last ~80k miles.

When we really know how to make EVs, Joe Vodka with basic tools, a Chilton’s and $1k worth of new OEM motor should be able to do the swap in an afternoon. Then recoup some/most of the cost when handing the old motor to a recycler.

Batteries should also be “drop out; drop in” with a universal battery dolly/jack from Harbor Freight.

 

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Not yet, not really.

A new Tesla motor is like five figures. And they only last ~80k miles.

When we really know how to make EVs, Joe Vodka with basic tools, a Chilton’s and $1k worth of new OEM motor should be able to do the swap in an afternoon. Then recoup some/most of the cost when handing the old motor to a recycler.

Batteries should also be “drop out; drop in” with a universal battery dolly/jack from Harbor Freight.

Like I said before, Elon is a rip off and it was the same with solar roofs, many EVs have no issues at all, except for the battery powering them.

 

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Like I said before, Elon is a rip off and it was the same with solar roofs, many EVs have no issues at all, except for the battery powering them.

I’ve seen similarly breathtaking numbers for an Ioniq. It’s not just Skumbuckets.

 

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If you can buy a Chinese EV made in Mexico in 2030 for $5000USD and paid $10 a day for gas to commute to work in a comparable ICE car, it would pay for itself in less than 2 years of working commute days more likely a year or so of normal driving. That is assuming you charged from home, had solar generation and perhaps a bit of storage.

How much do Americans pay for gas a year?


An average American spends between $150 to $200 on gas every month. It, of course, varies and depends on the state, lifestyle, and driving habits. American families spend approximately $5,000 on gas annually, which is almost 2.24% of their monthly income.Jan 11, 2023
How Much Do People Spend On Gas Each Month? - J.D. Power

 

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I’ve seen similarly breathtaking numbers for an Ioniq. It’s not just Skumbuckets.

Before any major purchase I read and watch the reviews, some do independent testing.

 

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If you can buy a Chinese EV made in Mexico in 2030 for $5000USD and paid $10 a day for gas to commute to work in a comparable ICE car, it would pay for itself in less than 2 years of working commute days more likely a year or so of normal driving. That is assuming you charged from home, had solar generation and perhaps a bit of storage.

How much do Americans pay for gas a year?


An average American spends between $150 to $200 on gas every month. It, of course, varies and depends on the state, lifestyle, and driving habits. American families spend approximately $5,000 on gas annually, which is almost 2.24% of their monthly income.Jan 11, 2023
How Much Do People Spend On Gas Each Month? - J.D. Power

Waiiiit.
If $417 (5k/12) is 2.24% of a typical family’s income, that’s over $220k per annum. Yeah no.

 

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By 2030 if you had home solar and a cheap EV, it might raise your standard of living by 10% or more, with free electricity and transportation. Paying off both the solar system and EV would be an investment instead of a monthly cost. A cheap EV might pay for itself in a year depending on how much you drove and how much gas it displaced. The solar panels might take longer to pay off, but most of the expense was in installation, not the panels and the pay back/off period varies depending on how much power is used and how greedy and competent the power utility is. If you have net metering in your area it is a sweet deal, if not, it will cut your bills and if you have a battery could eliminate them. Shit, some people might buy one of those cheap Chinese EVs to park in the driveway and use as a home battery, or just rip the battery out of one and use that with a kit to convert it bought online! There will likely a dozen different EVs over several models and years that use the same battery pack and for solar operation you shouldn't need a cooling system used for fast charging, so just disconnect and drain it.

 

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Waiiiit.
If $417 (5k/12) is 2.24% of a typical family’s income, that’s over $220k per annum. Yeah no.

If you wanted to pay off the credit card, you used to buy it on a whim plus interest over a year. I'm being conservative in my estimates and looking at the impact of such a $5K vehicle, other than decimating Detroit. They would be more popular among youth and students than the VW Beetle was decades ago, why take the bus when this is cheaper and better, if you can park.

I've made the case for such a thing being a reality by 2030 and it has many implications. They can work on the freeway from the burbs to the city and cost nothing to drive, if you make your own power, cheap anyway if you don't.

 

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Waiiiit.
If $417 (5k/12) is 2.24% of a typical family’s income, that’s over $220k per annum. Yeah no.

How much could you lease a $5K car for every month? Or pay off over 4 years with 0% interest dealer financing! Insuring should cost near nothing and writing them off will be easy too, so expect used battery packs for home (with a kit) and auto....

 

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If you wanted to pay off the credit card, you used to buy it on a whim plus interest over a year. I'm being conservative in my estimates and looking at the impact of such a $5K vehicle, other than decimating Detroit. They would be more popular among youth and students than the VW Beetle was decades ago, why take the bus when this is cheaper and better, if you can park.

I've made the case for such a thing being a reality by 2030 and it has many implications. They can work on the freeway from the burbs to the city and cost nothing to drive, if you make your own power, cheap anyway if you don't.

How much could you lease a $5K car for every month? Or pay off over 4 years with 0% interest dealer financing! Insuring should cost near nothing and writing them off will be easy too, so expect used battery packs for home (with a kit) and auto....

Neither reply touches my point. The numbers from Power are externally and internally contradictory.

Also, just try to register and insure a $5k car in California.

 

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Maybe your first home battery will be from a written off $5K Chinese EV, at $5K they won't be worth repairing, but the battery might be worth something. If they become popular among youth, expect a few to be written off, think about it...

 

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Neither reply touches my point. The numbers from Power are externally and internally contradictory.

Also, just try to register and insure a $5k car in California.

I wasn't too concerned about their numbers they match other statistics on annual costs for gasoline.

The point is the car would be cheaper than the fuel for a comparable ICE car. I dunno about registration and such, but if they break in through Mexico with highly automated assembly using robots in 2030, it will be the end of the North American car manufacturing industry, unless they cut deals with them for the low end of the market and basically sell rebadged Chinese cars. It will have big social implications too and as I said, I made the case for such a thing being reality by 2030. The only real thing standing in the way is Uncle Sam and the EU If they come in through the back door with new highly automated plants (they would use the latest tech), some parts from China and powered by renewables with humanoid robots running around the automated factory floor, look out!