babygro
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Thanks Bulldog !
Glad you're enjoying the journal and I'm also looking forward to seeing what they're like in flowering
Mandala Seeds Kalichakra and Satori
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Glad you're enjoying the journal and I'm also looking forward to seeing what they're like in flowering
babygro
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Cheers sk3tch3, thanks for dropping by.
As you've probably realised, I'm a big fan of Mandala genetics, the breeder has put a lot of work into producing seeds that are not only uniform and homogenous, but ideally suited to clandestine closet grows as all the plants tend to share an ease of growing, high nutrient uptake, hybrid vigour, low smell and high heat and humidity tolerance. Their White Satin also adds in low light requirements as well.
In my opinion, why do people mess about with expensive dutch genetics that can be tricky and difficult to grow when a newbie or inexperienced grower can probably get far better results from a variety like White Satin that costs probably no more than 20 bucks for 10 seeds? Seems a bit of a no brainer to me.
Regarding RO water, I think I'm going to have to go down that route. I was going to buy a ph and ec truncheon, but I think I'll save my money and get an RO machine and perhaps just a cheapo EC meter instead.
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plus when you tell someone you just got some kalichakra to smoke you can blow 'em away with something that they haven't heard of prolly (too much white widow, purps, and blueberry going around, it's hard to find other stuff)
baby, do you know if mandala ships to the states?
baby, do you know if mandala ships to the states?
sk3tch3
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and thats exactly what i did!
you are absolutly right on about the mandala, i double checked with my friend and it is the white satin he wants. it is his second indoor and im trying to help him as much as possible. that is why i was so happy to find your thread. everything is coming along nice!
babygro
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Hiya sk3tch3
Sorry for the delay replying, been a bit distracted recently.
I think Mandala's White Satin is an excellent choice for a new grower to grow, I wish I'd known about it before I did my first grow.
I've been really impressed with the F1 vigour of these plants although less so about the F1 homogeneity! The height sizes of them go up and down like a fiddlers elbow, my tallest Satori is about a foot taller than my smallest Satori!
I also remember reading somewhere (on Mandala's site) that many people compare the 'taste and stone' of Mandala's genetics to the 'old school' 70's weed taste and high. If that's true, these plants are going to be something quite special I think.
The smell from them is quite lovely, they're in flowering now and the smell still isn't really that strong (it's pretty mild really to be honest) but the wonderful subtle spicey sweet floral musky smells that greet me when I open the door is quite something. The Kalichakra smells slightly different to the Satori and even the different pheno's in the same strain smell slightly different to each other. I have to rub the leaf gently between finger and thumb to get an idea of the smell and they're all subtley different to each other.
I can't tell you how much I'm looking forward to smoking these babies!
I've kept clones of all the females, so I can decide after harvesting and smoking which ones I want to turn into mother plants.
babygro
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hiya Newbud
Thanks for stopping by and I'm pleased you're enjoying the journal.
I'd not heard of them before either, but to be honest I'm a little tired of the dutch genetics and fancied trying something a bit different and the Mandala website has excellent information on it.
I have to confess I was seriously considering a strain from an Australian breeder called Wally Duck, which was a Panama Red x Cinderella99 cross, which sounds fabulous. I've only ever heard stories of the legendary Panama Red from friends around at the time it was available and I'd love to try something even nearly close to it.
I was a little put off though by two things - firstly it was fairly expensive about 50 GBP for 10 seeds and that ideally, for best results it should be grown outside which simply isn't possible in my situation. I think you can grow it inside but I don't think it performs terribly well. I'm not adverse to trying a pure Sativa in the future though and I have my eye on some quite special multiple Haze crosses. Haze isn't an easy plant to grow at any time and inside it's simply made more difficult, but I think with the right techniques however even Haze's can be grown inside fairly effectively.
Pure Sativas originate primarily from the tropics and subtropics which had pretty high light levels and this is the reason for the fairly slender Sativa leaf fingers - it doesn't need the big fat wide leaf fingers of the Indica's of India and Pakaistan with their lower light levels.
Inside lower light levels is the first problem to growing pure Sativas, add in their tendency to grow tall very quickly and you get light depth penetration problems. Their fairly long flowering times and low yields also tends to put people off.
Just shove it outside in a nice sunny hot climate and forget it and you're laughing!
babygro
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Day 54 from popping, 6th day from switching to 12/12.
The clones I took on day 49 all seem to be doing well although no roots showing yet. They got their first little feed yesterday, as whilst the Root Riot cubes have some nutrients built in they won't last very long. They got 1 mil Formulex per L and 0.5 mil Seaweed extract per Litre of water. The recommended dosage for Formulex is 5 mil per L! I've also been misting them a couple of times a day.
All the plants had a watering on Day 51 with plain water + 1 tsp Epsom salts per L of water. The Mg problem is continuing but not worsening.
I'm pretty sure now that 3 are definitely males, but I'm just leaving them another couple of days to be 100% sure. I also had to move the light up today which is only the second time I've had to move it so far. The plants are just exploding in growth everyday and the tallest is now over 2 foot and still going, I fully expect some of them to be 3-4 feet in finished size. Hopefully my chamber height can deal with it but the light is already 1/2 way up the chamber!
I'll be happier once the males are out which will give the others a bit more room as it's beginning to get very cramped in there.
Temps are still 20-27 and humidity 40-60.
They're just under 2 weeks now in those size pots and in about a weeks time I'll have to start thinking about potting up to the 6L pots. The next watering I think they may need a little grow and bloom but I'll have to see how they look.
The clones I took on day 49 all seem to be doing well although no roots showing yet. They got their first little feed yesterday, as whilst the Root Riot cubes have some nutrients built in they won't last very long. They got 1 mil Formulex per L and 0.5 mil Seaweed extract per Litre of water. The recommended dosage for Formulex is 5 mil per L! I've also been misting them a couple of times a day.
All the plants had a watering on Day 51 with plain water + 1 tsp Epsom salts per L of water. The Mg problem is continuing but not worsening.
I'm pretty sure now that 3 are definitely males, but I'm just leaving them another couple of days to be 100% sure. I also had to move the light up today which is only the second time I've had to move it so far. The plants are just exploding in growth everyday and the tallest is now over 2 foot and still going, I fully expect some of them to be 3-4 feet in finished size. Hopefully my chamber height can deal with it but the light is already 1/2 way up the chamber!
I'll be happier once the males are out which will give the others a bit more room as it's beginning to get very cramped in there.
Temps are still 20-27 and humidity 40-60.
They're just under 2 weeks now in those size pots and in about a weeks time I'll have to start thinking about potting up to the 6L pots. The next watering I think they may need a little grow and bloom but I'll have to see how they look.
sk3tch3
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hey there babygrow, i forwardedid your post about the mandala to my buddy and was very happy to read it and told me to tell you thankyou, i know you are using a seaweed feed on your clones but i wanted to suggest nitrozyme, i used it last clonning and was extremley impressed. on day 11 most of the clones had root "systems" entagled in itself. stuff is miracle juice when used as a folier feed. just a suggestion, peace and happy growing.
babygro
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Cheers sk3tch3, I think your mate is going to be very impressed with his White Satin!
Thanks for the tip on Nitrozyme - I have heard of people getting great results with it, which is why I use Seaweed Extract
As far as I'm concerned the two products are not only doing the same thing, they are the same thing - From Growth Technology -Nitrozyme, a highly concentrated extract from sea plants, contains a vast array of natural growth enhancers. Nitrozyme has been tested on many commercial crops and has shown outstanding yield increases.
Nitrozyme contains powerful natural growth enhancers, exotic micro-nutrients and bio-stimulants. The high concentration of these biological agents will potentiate the growth process of the plant, with specific advantage to its current stage of growth.
If you notice on the bottle it says 100% Organic, which basically means they haven't added any nasty chemical or man made additives to it, which also effectively means it's all sourced from, drum roll.... Seaweed! As far as I'm aware, Seaweed Extract only comes from 1 particular type of seaweed, and I can't really see how Nitrozyme would be any different.
The main difference between what you use - Nitrozyme (£45.00 a litre only available at local Hydro store) and what I use - Maxicrop's Seaweed Extract (£8.00 a Litre from any good Garden Centre) is 37 quid basically !
This is the problem with the current specialist hydro stores, the big Dutch and multi-national nutrient conglomerates like Canna, Biobizz, Advanced Nutrients and Bcuzz and Growth Technology are in business to make money. They've spotted an untapped market for thier products in the 'underground' Canna growing movement and they're looking to exploit it and if that means re-packaging traditionally used organic products such as Seaweed Extract and Molasses into products like Fish Stew and Carbo load and charging 5 times the price for them and get away with it they will.
The fundamental principles of growing fruit and vegetables hasn't really changed since the last war, so why do we suddenly need all these wonderful new fangled products these companies are trying to sell us?
Try Seaweed Extract instead of Nitrozyme and see if you get the same performance, and if you do, you might save yourself some money
sk3tch3
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you are absolutly right in all respects.... it took the "hydro man" selling me the product and a great indepth detaild explanation and over view of the active ingredients from you to enlighten me. the grow craze is pretty out of control and hopefully will quiet down soon.This is the problem with the current specialist hydro stores, the big Dutch and multi-national nutrient conglomerates like Canna, Biobizz, Advanced Nutrients and Bcuzz and Growth Technology are in business to make money. They've spotted an untapped market for thier products in the 'underground' Canna growing movement and they're looking to exploit it and if that means re-packaging traditionally used organic products such as Seaweed Extract and Molasses into products like Fish Stew and Carbo load and charging 5 times the price for them and get away with it they will.
The fundamental principles of growing fruit and vegetables hasn't really changed since the last war, so why do we suddenly need all these wonderful new fangled products these companies are trying to sell us?
Try Seaweed Extract instead of Nitrozyme and see if you get the same performance, and if you do, you might save yourself some money
and i will be saving me some money next time!
babygro
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Give it a go and see how you like it, you've got nothing to lose really!
babygro
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You want some pics Bb, here you go! The 5 day old clones.
To be honest, the big plants aren't really doing anything interesting at the moment apart from going upwards rapidly, in a week or so when the buds start to form I'll do a few more pics, hopefully the males will be gone by then too.
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nongreenthumb
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Wow those clones are a bit large
babygro
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How do you mean NGT ?
babygro
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Looking good - what strain?
nongreenthumb
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Just compared to how i take them.
I leave the top and one fan leaf only per plant. I was told that this is the way to go as they take quicker because you have less plant matter to try and keep alive until the roots have formed. I plant them upto the fan leaf.
I leave the top and one fan leaf only per plant. I was told that this is the way to go as they take quicker because you have less plant matter to try and keep alive until the roots have formed. I plant them upto the fan leaf.