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[GypsyBush]

Fman... please forgive my dry humor and total lack of manners...

But I assure you I am trying to help...

The problem Ive been having with the ABF is my clones are starting to flower 7 to 10 days after they are placed into the flower room.

Hummmm....

The plants start flowering shortly after you put them in the flower room...?!?!

And that is a problem???

I'm confused...

Once they start to flower they dont get very tall.

Right... they usually keep the vegg pace for a little bit, but then stop... it just works out that way... nothing you can do there...

The first ones that did this were clones I bought at a local clinic. They only got about 6 to8 inches tall and I got only 5 grams from 4 plants,

WOW! I am amazed... what is your set up ???

I had 4 plants in an AEROGARDEN... the tallest was 6"... and the total dry yield was 1.2 Oz...

Here.. look... first and last pics...

very dissapointing.

No kidding...

The crop I have now, are clones I cut from a plant I grew from seed. 10 days after they went to 12/12 they started to flower and are only about 4 or 5 inches tall.

Well... let's think about this logically...

How tall would you like your clones to be when they finish growing?

If your answer is 15" or 20" ... it's easy.... you cannot throw a 2" clone into flower and hope it grows that much....

It just won't... and you have proven that...

I have 4 clones in my veg that I think Im going to veg for longer than 2 weeks

You can vegg longer or you can wait until the plant is bigger and take a bigger clone...

If you start with a 12" clone you will not need to vegg as long as you need to with a 3" clone...

Does any of this make sense to anyone?

Im tired of waiting 8 weeks for one pipe load.

Like this one????

Makes for some very expensive pot... lol...

Except I do this on purpose.. I love miniatures...lol....

Also Ive done 4 crops and not One was done in 8 weeks.

That is strain dependent, although I MUST say that poor lighting or feeding technique can delay maturation...

I veg under 250mh and flower under 400hps.

I would say that is bare minimum to start getting a fair price on your buds... any less and it just isn't efficient enough to make it cheaper to grow...

It should serve you personal needs well though...

My veg and flower spaces are only 4x3 each.

I grew that first Aerogarden batch inside of a nightstand...

not even 2'x2'x2'

So it can be done...

anybody else having these same type probs?

Uh...! I don't consider it a problem when the plants I put in the flower room start to flower...

ALSO, so whos the new ABF?

Oh Please...

Don't even...

It's insulting...

That man has forgotten more about growing than we all hope to know one day... COMBINED...

And one other thing.

Sure...

I see people talking about using 1400ppm and higher.

Yeah... different strains and different feeding techniques require different feeding schedules...

If I get over 1100 my plants BURN.

Simple answer to that one is...

DON"T GO OVER 1100 PPM...

I use CANNA ( just like Al). On their web site they reccomend levels around 600 -800 moving up to about 1100.

Uh... I would start with their recommendation, remembering that it is just that... a recommendation....

Honestly.... forget the label... pay attention to your plants and find the sweet spot...

Plants are not like dragracers.... the more fuel the more power...

You want to provide everything your plant needs and NOTHING ELSE...

Running a higher PPM that your plants need is just a waste...

If you see no deficiencies at 500ppm, keep it there...

Remember less is more sometimes...lol...

One guy here at riu talks about running 2000ppm.

Sure... I have seen plants in aero @ 3000 PPM... but that is inherent of the feeding system and the strain combined...

WHY is there such a defference in those amounts?

I think I answered that above somewhere... but...

Different feeding systems interact differently with the roots....

Different strains will also have different tolerance levels...

6-7 inches tall with the right care and strain, you should be able to pull off 2/8 an oz per plant. Easly. What strain was it? What light and nutes?

Yup .. I agree...and Dewy... is 2/8 = 1/4 ?

Cause if that is so... you are right on the money...

The pics I posted above show that...

4 plants @ 6" tall = 1.2 Oz of dried and cured dank...

Every strain is differenct. Some can't take much some can take 3000ppm. I found that 1000-1200 is the sweet spot for the strain I use. Go figure!

Again... RIGHT ON..!!!

I have found that 1400 is an acceptable level for all 4 strains on the trays...

But I will mention that one strain will start to lock out at pH 6.2, where the others strains hold very well up to 6.7...

You just really have to pay attention to your girls... and not panic every time a leaf curls....lol....

They will teach you what they like...

Best of luck....

 

[Fman]

Thanks for all your input.

 

[grandpabear3]

damn gypsy, i'm just gonna sit back and do nothing if you keep giving out answers like that one. your making my job easy. oh and to clarify i am getting an elite membership, not a mod/staff/admin. i couldnt wash half those people's underpants let alone work here. i suck waaaaayyyyy too much for that. but im still a weed baron and you will respect my awthorataw

 

[GypsyBush]

Thanks for all your input.

You are very welcome...

damn gypsy, i'm just gonna sit back and do nothing if you keep giving out answers like that one. your making my job easy.

Does that mean you liked it????

oh and to clarify i am getting an elite membership, not a mod/staff/admin. i couldnt wash half those people's underpants let alone work here. i suck waaaaayyyyy too much for that. but im still a weed baron and you will respect my awthorataw

Oh for fuck's sake... would you just get it already...

The sooner it happens, the sooner it will become an old subject....

 

[GypsyBush]

OK... are you guys ready for an update?

with lots and lots of pictures...?

Go grab a bowl and hurry back....

 

[GypsyBush]

Well... here goes another Photo Update....

We'll start out with the TOOLS of the TRADE.... this is how I managed to not make eleventeen trips up and down the stairs, with my leg in a cast...

And here we have the PATHETIC clones that will probably yield an 8th each...

An overview of the trays being used right now...

And the clones that have been in for 3 weeks now...

Just in case anyone was wondering... I cut panda film squares with a slit and a hole... they just overlap each other to form the white base...

Here is the new mother station... which gives me more room and better light... 400 w HO T-5 + 100 w Ho T-5... I am running 2 trays in this room... one 2x4 at 600~800 PPM and a small skinny one at 1400PPM... so I can boost the moms chosen for the next round of clones ... while maintaining everyone else at a lower PPM (lower cost)...

More room allows for things like Lettuce...

& Thyme...

Another angle pf the flower room...

And the clones that I fried...

A closer look at the budding clones...

How about some HARVEST pictures next....???

Here is one of the smaller lollipops...

And we keep going down the line...

and last but not least... the miniatures...

Well....That's All Folks...!!!

 

[eza82]

What would you do????????,
I have got a small issue with my new op....
had to reset the whole grow due to moving... I have started with 2 clones about 2 months ago..

Doing a 13 wk cycle ;2wk-clone, 4-wks veg, 8wks - flower.
I can fit 16 plants in Veg (2x2 e&B)- 200ml orchid pots
and the 2 flowering tables are 4x4 e&b - useing bigger pots

I have 4 Plants in flower....
2 of them r @ 4 wks
2 of them r @2wks

The problem: My mothers I vegged for a month and took 21 clones. I flowered .......(got impatient).....Hoping for at least 16 to take.... ended with 21 that took.

So hear lies the conudrem........
I have 21 in VEG All placed on the 29th JAN (around 15days)
&
No mothers Genrally It will take 1 1/2 mth to generate a mother from cloneing.

No clones - because no mothers (will pull them out of current veging plants)

So I should be takeing clones on the 15th march.

I plan on takeing 4 per week or 8 per fortnight... and the system is setup so... 13 stages for 4 palnts.

THE QUESTION:
the 21 plants in veg have to orginzed so they all dont go through at once.

My thoughts was to grab 4 per week and place them into flower.... BUT by March 28th I would still have 9 of the orginal clones which would be HUGE.(2mths of veg) I know 3 of them will end up mothers...
So that leaves 6 with no where to go........(with out over loading the system) (and I dont want to kill) And will have too many different hieghts.

what would you suggest..... Spark the 2nd flower table & Flower the extra 6 (2wks veg & still small) now or ? Just let them go, take them outside, prune untill there time ???????? What would you guys do ???????

 

[grandpabear3]

good lord gypsy, they are awesome, but i've come to expect that and they all start looking the same after a while, thats why i dont do those type of updates. once you've seen every stage of the process it gets monotonous. but yours are pretty. so sateth the mighty weed baron. thought you guys would like the new look. thanks sparky

 

[grandpabear3]

eza, i gotta reread that post a few times before i take a whack at it.....i am sooooooo high right now.....lmao
i must temporarily appoint gypsy with some awthoratie, so he might be able to help you

 

[eza82]

I think I am going to banish them outside........ but want opinions....

 

[GypsyBush]

good lord gypsy, they are awesome, but i've come to expect that and they all start looking the same after a while, thats why i dont do those type of updates. once you've seen every stage of the process it gets monotonous. but yours are pretty. so sateth the mighty weed baron. thought you guys would like the new look. thanks sparky

Sure.. you guys that have been at it long enough to count how many grow rooms you have burned down... to you it might be boring...

But know that this is my first harvest of (semi) properly trimmed Fuct style colas...

SO FUCK OFF... they are NOT boring.. they DO NOT all look the same... and I'll take monotonous ANY DAY... over fire, destruction and spying neighbors neighbors (how is that going anyways.. has he started black mailing you yet?)

eza, i gotta reread that post a few times before i take a whack at it.....i am sooooooo high right now.....lmao
i must temporarily appoint gypsy with some awthoratie, so he might be able to help you

Take your elitist authority and go for a walk...

But I have to agree... a few more bowls and about eleventeen re-reads are a must before I even attempt it...lol...

OK... sorry bugs... I have tried all day to cut back on the meds... here goes #15 for the day... oh did I mention I figured if I have beer at about #6 I don't need crutches for the rest of the day... driving wasn't so much very good for the other folks though... roads are kinda icy and the Gypster was ALL OVER THE PLACE...lol....

 

[GypsyBush]

I think I am going to banish them outside........ but want opinions....

Oh shit! you want opinions?!??!?

My first order of business is to say that to me it is obvious...

You have plants ready for flower...

You have room to flower them...

BY GOD MAN... FLOWER THEM...

So it will throw you off a little on your rotation.... you wil have some extra weed to smoke to help you figure out how to solve that one....

Cram as many as you have.... flower them... buds are worth their weight in gold....

WHY WOULD YOU NOT FLOWER THEM RIGHT AWAY? if they are ready...

but.. I have put out a few disclaimers around here.... maybe zi'll even make an avatar out if it...

I don't know what the fuck I am talking about.. it is all just a wild guess.....

 

[grandpabear3]

Sure.. you guys that have been at it long enough to count how many grow rooms you have burned down... to you it might be boring...

fair enough....

But know that this is my first harvest of (semi) properly trimmed Fuct style colas...

well i meant they are always pretty thats all

SO FUCK OFF... they are NOT boring.. they DO NOT all look the same... and I'll take monotonous ANY DAY... over fire, destruction and spying neighbors neighbors (how is that going anyways.. has he started black mailing you yet?)

wow.....so angry.....how's that pain and no he knows i took it all down.

Take your elitist authority and go for a walk...

i just got back from a stroll in the elite section and boy are my arms tired. best circle jerk i've ever been a part of.

But I have to agree... a few more bowls and about eleventeen re-reads are a must before I even attempt it...lol...

hehehehehehehe

OK... sorry bugs... I have tried all day to cut back on the meds... here goes #15 for the day... oh did I mention I figured if I have beer at about #6 I don't need crutches for the rest of the day... driving wasn't so much very good for the other folks though... roads are kinda icy and the Gypster was ALL OVER THE PLACE...lol....

no worries, eat the hell outta them pills brother, what ever makes it barable...you keep all that activity up and you just might heal quicker....or fuck yourself up.

here's hopin' hipie

 

[GypsyBush]

Thanks man...

I am glad you understand the source of my non-laid back approach...lol...

 

[grandpabear3]

there appears to be writing on the arms in your avatar but i no can read it.....do share, wont you?

 

[GypsyBush]

there appears to be writing on the arms in your avatar but i no can read it.....do share, wont you?

See No Evil out of the right eye...

See No Evil out of the left eye...

Speak No Evil out of your mouth...

But you can listen to all the evil you want as long as it is our brand...

Shit Bugs... I don't know... I just snagged it...too small now...

hummmm...

 

[GypsyBush]

are you talking to me on 2 threads

 

[GypsyBush]

talking to me on 2 threads

 

[GypsyBush]

me on 2 threads man...

 

[GypsyBush]

two different threads