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medicineman

medicineman

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So how would that tax work on home growers? I doubt many would like to pony up 50.00 every time an OZ of their crop came in, and also, would you be taxed on the schwag, the leaves and stems. Who would oversee the taxing? Would a guy come to your house with a set of scales. Sounds too rediculous, plus it would create a new breed of criminal, the home grower that wouldn't want to pay the tax, and therefore be in violation of the law. I say if they want to tax it, it must be on store bought buds, But that would drive the price up and create even more home growers (Criminals).
 
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fdd2blk

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medicineman said:
So how would that tax work on home growers? I doubt many would like to pony up 50.00 every time an OZ of their crop came in, and also, would you be taxed on the schwag, the leaves and stems. Who would oversee the taxing? Would a guy come to your house with a set of scales. Sounds too rediculous, plus it would create a new breed of criminal, the home grower that wouldn't want to pay the tax, and therefore be in violation of the law. I say if they want to tax it, it must be on store bought buds, But that would drive the price up and create even more home growers (Criminals).
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i'm self employed. i write it all down. just like any other business. i have a huge box of receipts. :weed:

not all people who are self employed are thieves. neither are all pot heads. you will have thieves everywhere you go. hell look at used car dealers. i bet they all keep tight records.

grower turned criminal. is that what you would do?
 
TheBrutalTruth

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fdd2blk said:
http://www.sfexaminer.com/local/Rookie-assemblyman-plans-trailblazing-bill-40070267.html

http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/2009/02/legalize_it_ammiano_to_introdu.php


"............Mecke said Ammiano's proposed bill "would remove all penalties in California law on cultivation, transportation, sale, purchase, possession, or use of marijuana, natural THC, or paraphernalia for persons over the age of 21."........"
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The marijuana legislation, however, could face obstacles in Sacramento. The Drug Enforcement Administration in San Francisco has said that local and state government officials who grew or supplied the drug would be no more immune from prosecution than an individual. Marijuana is still a federally banned substance.
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Some one should remind the ballless politicos in Sacramento that the solution to that is to kick the DEA out of the State.
 
medicineman

medicineman

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fdd2blk said:
i'm self employed. i write it all down. just like any other business. i have a huge box of receipts. :weed:

not all people who are self employed are thieves. neither are all pot heads. you will have thieves everywhere you go. hell look at used car dealers. i bet they all keep tight records.

grower turned criminal. is that what you would do?
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Well, I don't grow anymore, so that is not an option. Now I suppose you would send the state 50.00 for every OZ you grew, come on now, you really expect me to believe that. I may believe you'd send them 50.00 on every OZ you sold and include that into the price, But I highly doubt you'd pay that 50.00 on those OZs you keep for yourself. Like I said, charging 50.00 an OZ at the store could be feasible, but home growers that grow for their smoking pleasure would undoubtably not want to pay the state for that priveledge. after all, it was their work and expense that went into producing that bounty, why pay the state, especially if they don't know.
 
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fdd2blk

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medicineman said:
Well, I don't grow anymore, so that is not an option. Now I suppose you would send the state 50.00 for every OZ you grew, come on now, you really expect me to believe that. I may believe you'd send them 50.00 on every OZ you sold and include that into the price, But I highly doubt you'd pay that 50.00 on those OZs you keep for yourself. Like I said, charging 50.00 an OZ at the store could be feasible, but home growers that grow for their smoking pleasure would undoubtably not want to pay the state for that priveledge. after all, it was their work and expense that went into producing that bounty, why pay the state, especially if they don't know.
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i don't see why it would be any different than any other self employed person producing a product. do small farmers pay all there taxes when they open a fruit stand? do commercial fisherman pay taxes on their catch? what about wineries? hella small family owned wineries up here. they sell bottles out the front door. do they pay taxes on all those?

there are criminals because the system is corrupt. maybe if we start fixing things people would be more willing to follow along. i think this was the basis for "taxes" in the first place.
i could be wrong.
 
Bucket head

Bucket head

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fdd2blk said:
i don't see why it would be any different than any other self employed person producing a product. do small farmers pay all there taxes when they open a fruit stand? do commercial fisherman pay taxes on their catch? what about wineries? hella small family owned wineries up here. they sell bottles out the front door. do they pay taxes on all those?

there are criminals because the system is corrupt. maybe if we start fixing things people would be more willing to follow along. i think this was the basis for "taxes" in the first place.
i could be wrong.
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Wordz of wisdom right here... i hope things work out in cali bongsmilie
 
Kant

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As much as I would love to see this happen, and it might, but it's not going to stand up in court (it will be challenged). From what I understand the reason the mmj laws have stood is because they don't actually say that cannabis is legal but rather, given these medical conditions and a doctor's recommendation we're not going to enforce fed laws. Which in essence don't violate fed laws but kind of side step them. The moment the state starts directly supporting legalization (on medical or not) and profits from it, that directly violates fed laws.

So i don't think it's going to stand up in court. But that having been said, i hope i'm wrong and good luck.
 
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HotNSexyMILF

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In the 90's Cali already passed legislation asserting it's rights under the 10th amendment, that any powers not directly given to the federal government under the Constitution are delegated to the states and the people respectively, that the Federal government is to be an agent to the states not the other way around.. Cali has the moral and lawful high ground.. time for them to step up and enforce it.. with their economic and budget problems right now, their back just may be up against the wall enough to HAVE to stand up and assert those rights..


Lead the charge Cali!
 
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HotNSexyMILF

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LOL.. the little one is still in there.. LOL.. this is week 39, so anytime within the next 3 weeks.. hehe.. he/she has to wait just a little longer though, I've got just a few more cloth diapers to sew up.. LOL..

end of hijack.. LOL..
 
TheBrutalTruth

TheBrutalTruth

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HotNSexyMILF said:
In the 90's Cali already passed legislation asserting it's rights under the 10th amendment, that any powers not directly given to the federal government under the Constitution are delegated to the states and the people respectively, that the Federal government is to be an agent to the states not the other way around.. Cali has the moral and lawful high ground.. time for them to step up and enforce it.. with their economic and budget problems right now, their back just may be up against the wall enough to HAVE to stand up and assert those rights..


Lead the charge Cali!
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Not really, they are not necessarily cornered.

Think about the size of Cali's economy. If push comes to shove, they can always secede, and collect the portion of the income taxes that were going to the Federal Government. Instant budget problem solved. Of course, it would replace it with a bigger problem...

Of course, they might have a problem with the banks cooperating, also...
 
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HotNSexyMILF

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TheBrutalTruth said:
Not really, they are not necessarily cornered.

Think about the size of Cali's economy. If push comes to shove, they can always secede, and collect the portion of the income taxes that were going to the Federal Government. Instant budget problem solved. Of course, it would replace it with a bigger problem...

Of course, they might have a problem with the banks cooperating, also...
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I'd think telling the Fed to back off and respect laws implemented by the state legislature would be a step first made before jumping ship to complete secession..

Could Cali survive on it's own though? Certainly.. likelihood of it? Slim. Would I want to see it happen with Arnold at the reigns? <shivers> no.. lol
 
TheBrutalTruth

TheBrutalTruth

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HotNSexyMILF said:
I'd think telling the Fed to back off and respect laws implemented by the state legislature would be a step first made before jumping ship to complete secession..

Could Cali survive on it's own though? Certainly.. likelihood of it? Slim. Would I want to see it happen with Arnold at the reigns? <shivers> no.. lol
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Well, Cali can have Obama, we'll put Arnold in ... Texas to replace Ron Paul and take Ron Paul.

Everyone's happy.
 
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