sparkafire
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Man those are some nice moms big guy. Nice very nice
These are the ones that started growing thin branches when I started taking 10 clones each.
SOG growers wanted !!!
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10mm fan boy
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Thanks maybe you can help me save them.
Idk why they started growing fucked up.
They actually started growing that way when I was taking 5 per plant.
They are growing back half the thickness they used to be.
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Return of the Spork
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I don't think there is anything wrong with pruning to promote growth...
paperfetti
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dirtysteve
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Thanks Everyone.
So the 1KW is over kill and perfect? And the 600W is just right and not enough? That is pretty much where I was at already. I understand the 50W/ft2. But since I will have the lights (both) air cooled I think I can fight the heat of the 1KW. Then on the other hand the 600W will be able to get even closer to the tops and be easier on the power bill. Oh well. I guess the jury is still out on that one. The only reason I was going to go with the 400W for the mums was why not get the bigger light if it is only $2 more than the 250W at HTG? I pretty much knew it would be over kill for the mums but, shit 150W more for only $2, why not?
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Did I mention I read (a couple of times) Al's threads? Yes there was a bit of sarcasm in that statement, but I do believe that is the way of this thread. I am just trying not to be the nail that sticks out. That being said, according to Al, the HPS on the mums gives thicker stems and less internodal spacing. He had said he tried the MH but preferred the HPS. Can't find the specific posts, it is a pretty big thread. Duh. [/FONT][FONT="]
Yes, the exhaust will be on a thermostat/speed controller in parallel.
I am going to have to make room for the dehumidifier, no question about it. I was thinking a 30-45 pint unit. [/FONT]
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If/when I do get to a point of running multiple strains I would run only one strain per table. The 8-10 mothers would also be for running multiple strains. By multiple I mean two. For the one strain start up I think 6-8 mums would do nicely.
As for the monthly schedule, well I just don't need it every two weeks. I was thinking with the extra time I can get far superior clones and have a cushion in case of clone catastrophe. With the clones rooted in a clone box (just like Al's) the clones will pretty much stay dormant. That is with no nutes and only enough light to convince them of long days but not enough to promote much growth. Is that right, or am I mistaken?
About the O3. Is it okay/needed to leave it on 24/7 the way I plan on setting it up, or should it be on a timer? The exhaust will always be running, as noted, but with say an http://www.discount-hydro.com/productdisp.php?pid=204&navid=23 at 1K mg/hr that should have no problem treating a dead space of 64 ft3. Maybe run it 30 min on/30 min off. I read somewhere the half life of O3 is about 30 min. But, I think I might have answered my own question. That fan is going to be pushing out treated air and bringing in the stinky pretty quick. This is what I have planned. The space will be sealed except for the inlet and outlet. The dirty air is pushed in by the blower, mixes with the O3, and then finds the only escape path through the roof vent. The only bends in the exhaust line will be the one or two long sweeps in the dead box.
[/FONT] Yes, I will be waiting on multiple strains until I get this machine dialed in. In fact this is the last time I mention multiple strains.
That is the way I am approaching this, like it is a machine that needs to be run at specific tolerances for proper results. I aspire not to be a Baron, maybe just a Knight of the Manor. Sir Toke-A-Lot. Meh, maybe some day.
So the 1KW is over kill and perfect? And the 600W is just right and not enough? That is pretty much where I was at already. I understand the 50W/ft2. But since I will have the lights (both) air cooled I think I can fight the heat of the 1KW. Then on the other hand the 600W will be able to get even closer to the tops and be easier on the power bill. Oh well. I guess the jury is still out on that one. The only reason I was going to go with the 400W for the mums was why not get the bigger light if it is only $2 more than the 250W at HTG? I pretty much knew it would be over kill for the mums but, shit 150W more for only $2, why not?
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Did I mention I read (a couple of times) Al's threads? Yes there was a bit of sarcasm in that statement, but I do believe that is the way of this thread. I am just trying not to be the nail that sticks out. That being said, according to Al, the HPS on the mums gives thicker stems and less internodal spacing. He had said he tried the MH but preferred the HPS. Can't find the specific posts, it is a pretty big thread. Duh. [/FONT][FONT="]
Yes, the exhaust will be on a thermostat/speed controller in parallel.
I am going to have to make room for the dehumidifier, no question about it. I was thinking a 30-45 pint unit. [/FONT]
[FONT="]
If/when I do get to a point of running multiple strains I would run only one strain per table. The 8-10 mothers would also be for running multiple strains. By multiple I mean two. For the one strain start up I think 6-8 mums would do nicely.
As for the monthly schedule, well I just don't need it every two weeks. I was thinking with the extra time I can get far superior clones and have a cushion in case of clone catastrophe. With the clones rooted in a clone box (just like Al's) the clones will pretty much stay dormant. That is with no nutes and only enough light to convince them of long days but not enough to promote much growth. Is that right, or am I mistaken?
About the O3. Is it okay/needed to leave it on 24/7 the way I plan on setting it up, or should it be on a timer? The exhaust will always be running, as noted, but with say an http://www.discount-hydro.com/productdisp.php?pid=204&navid=23 at 1K mg/hr that should have no problem treating a dead space of 64 ft3. Maybe run it 30 min on/30 min off. I read somewhere the half life of O3 is about 30 min. But, I think I might have answered my own question. That fan is going to be pushing out treated air and bringing in the stinky pretty quick. This is what I have planned. The space will be sealed except for the inlet and outlet. The dirty air is pushed in by the blower, mixes with the O3, and then finds the only escape path through the roof vent. The only bends in the exhaust line will be the one or two long sweeps in the dead box.
[/FONT] Yes, I will be waiting on multiple strains until I get this machine dialed in. In fact this is the last time I mention multiple strains.
That is the way I am approaching this, like it is a machine that needs to be run at specific tolerances for proper results. I aspire not to be a Baron, maybe just a Knight of the Manor. Sir Toke-A-Lot. Meh, maybe some day.Attachments
sparkafire
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Yes i am going to concur with Spork. Try topping one and see what happens
Hey Retardo! We are a team! Here is a video of our escapades. http://video.yahoo.com/watch/148996
paperfetti
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lmao...now that was funny..tushay'
sparkafire
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HEY BUGS!!!!! DUMB ASS FINALLY GETS IT!!! Welcome to the SOG FORUM PAPER! Geez Fuckin took you long enough!
So who is the next retard I can fuck with?
Old Frog
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So I'm three weeks into this SoG and wondering if I should be pruning a lot more of the big fan leaves off of my girls to allow more light to the lower buds? They're pretty well poodled up from the bottom, but the tops seem to be a bit unruly still... the two pics below should give a pretty good idea of what's going on. I think they're fine, and will kick down a decent amount no matter what happens with the fan leaves, but my buddy thinks chopping everything not directly attached to a kola is the way to go. Al says this, Jorge Cervantes says that, wives tales, wives tales...
10mm fan boy
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That is where my problems started.
I take all my clones from the top of the plant. Someone tell me if this is wrong.
After 3 runs of cuttings my mothers were growing back 1/8" instead of the 1/4" they started off being. First two times I only took 5 per plant and only the last time I took 10 per plant.
Also can I take a clone from the middle of a branch. Say the last 8" of the branch is too skinny, can I cut that part off and then make my cut into the thicker branch lower down? Could an air bubble get in from the top?
10mm fan boy
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My girls growing in hydroton are only HALF the size of the ones in 4" RW cubes.
I think the problem is that my tray only floods my pots 1.5", so I only have 2" of root mass below my cutting. That is why I will be getting new trays soon.
Please let me know if that deffenatly sounds like the reason or if something else might be at play.
thanks,
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I think the problem is that my tray only floods my pots 1.5", so I only have 2" of root mass below my cutting. That is why I will be getting new trays soon.
Please let me know if that deffenatly sounds like the reason or if something else might be at play.
thanks,
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brontobrandon1
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hmmm on my first grow i used rockwool and flowered my plants right at 6 inches and they were hugee plants and now that im using hydroton also and they are not as big hmm i might run one of my tables with rockwool just to see...
10mm fan boy
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How big did you plants in RW end up being? Were they SOG?
Mine are only growing to about 10" max.
brontobrandon1
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ya, well i gave them a week of veg so they would get use to the light from cfls and they got like 16 inches pretty dam big but they yielded veryyyyyy nice like ounce almost ounce an half
Return of the Spork
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My stuff gets flooded around 3-4 inches high. Raising that will definitely help if the root mass is just at the bottom and not through the entire pot.
Pretty much anything with a growth node can be cloned. I clone wherever is convenient. Sometimes the top has my clones, sometimes the middle, sometimes the bottom. The bottom ones (like secondary or tertiary nodes) seem to grow pretty small until you top the rest of the plant. Sounds like flooding higher, pruning, and waiting will fix you right up.
Pretty much anything with a growth node can be cloned. I clone wherever is convenient. Sometimes the top has my clones, sometimes the middle, sometimes the bottom. The bottom ones (like secondary or tertiary nodes) seem to grow pretty small until you top the rest of the plant. Sounds like flooding higher, pruning, and waiting will fix you right up.
SpruceZeus
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I've got a query for you all.
What are your thoughts on the degeneration of clones? Is this something that really happens? If so is it only prevelant after many many generations?
I'm currently on my 6th or 7th generation of clones of clones. So far i havn't noticed any change in the growing patterns at all.
Yet some people insist that genetics breaking down is a real thing.
Common sense says that i shouldn't have a problem, its the same dna, from the same plant, it hasn't been an issue yet.
I'm just wondering what you cats think?
What are your thoughts on the degeneration of clones? Is this something that really happens? If so is it only prevelant after many many generations?
I'm currently on my 6th or 7th generation of clones of clones. So far i havn't noticed any change in the growing patterns at all.
Yet some people insist that genetics breaking down is a real thing.
Common sense says that i shouldn't have a problem, its the same dna, from the same plant, it hasn't been an issue yet.
I'm just wondering what you cats think?
Young Macdonald
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Ahoy fellow hydroponic SOGers. I am currently setting up my bubbeponics system sog style. I have enoyed leanring and watxhing other grows on here some in this thread so thank you all! Please dont hesisate to stop by my journal when its up in a week or two (depending on shipping)
. -young
. -young
doogleef
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The definition of a clone is a %100 genetic match. No degradation happens of the genes. Tell anyone who disagrees to fuck off and buy a dictionary.
Return of the Spork
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In the grand vague sense, since we are literally asexually propagating, the DNA is the same, therefore the plant is the same. So assuming there are no weird variables, you will have no problem, indefinitely.
But.....
Yeah, DNA is the blueprint, but the "cells" themselves are more like, interpreters. They read the DNA, and do most of it, but sometimes things as specific as methylation or vague as "stress" cause the cells to respond a large number of different ways to the same DNA. This kind of thing is good for evolution and adaptability, but it is also just as bad in the long run in terms of possible mutations or diseases or fucked up childrens.
Anyways, the point is that depending on age, and depending on the environmental conditions and stress, a plant can change over time. It isn't so much about genetics than it is about epigenetics. That is why some people say that their old plants just aren't as vigorous as they used to be. Chances are that over time, the genes are simply being expressed differently as a result of age or stress. Does this mean that all plants will go to shit in time? No way. It just means some might. Some might become hardier and better and faster growing. Thats evolution baby, that coupled with selective breeding and you have the potency we have today.
Let me ask you a little rhetorical question, have you ever cut multiple clones off the same plants, yet they kinda...looked or acted or grew differently? You may have just passed it off as bad root growth or a deficiency or it is "stunted", but it could just be a different expression of the genes due to the stress of the cloning, or whatever.
It is my intention to start working on what affects gene expression in the plants when I start breeding, but that has to wait until I have an actual large room to work in.
Oh yeah, take all that info as you will, I really don't know shit.