TheBrutalTruth
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Yes, and when people are free to tell unions to go fuck themselves they are free not to be bent over and coerced into paying union dues.
you just took an American ship .............
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Yes, and when people are free to tell unions to go fuck themselves they are free not to be bent over and coerced into paying union dues.
TheBrutalTruth
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As far as the comment, I really doubt that it had anything with the ship being union or non-union. More a matter of the crew of the ship being close.
I really don't think the union's National Ombudsman or Internation Ombudsman, or the union's Chief Officer (who's official title is probably CEO) had anything to do with the crew fighting off the pirates.
Hayduke
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No but they did have something to do with the crew being paid a liveable wage that allowed their families to live in nice suburban neighborhoods. It gave the men the ability to do their job without constantly worrying about whether they had to kiss the bosses ass or put up with his sexual advances because he could replace them and screw them and their families lives...they were a member of a team that could feel secure in the fact that the company had not hired crew from an impoverished country, where the fellow crew members are likely to actually have ties to the pirates and absolutely zero ties to you.
In any job that you pay union dues for, even after paying the dues for the lazy union reps, you still make more than a non union worker. The only people who bitch about unions are management and their children...or union employees who did not pay attention in history class and have had a good job for too long. (Woodie Gutherie play in back ground)
TheBrutalTruth
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Unions are what destroyed Detroit, I don't see Unions providing those workers with a living wage any longer.No but they did have something to do with the crew being paid a liveable wage that allowed their families to live in nice suburban neighborhoods. It gave the men the ability to do their job without constantly worrying about whether they had to kiss the bosses ass or put up with his sexual advances because he could replace them and screw them and their families lives...they were a member of a team that could feel secure in the fact that the company had not hired crew from an impoverished country, where the fellow crew members are likely to actually have ties to the pirates and absolutely zero ties to you.
In any job that you pay union dues for, even after paying the dues for the lazy union reps, you still make more than a non union worker. The only people who bitch about unions are management and their children...or union employees who did not pay attention in history class and have had a good job for too long. (Woodie Gutherie play in back ground)
(Not that the spineless maggots that were managing the Big Three aren't equally culpable...)
tinyTURTLE
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shitty gas-hogs destroyed detroit.Unions are what destroyed Detroit, I don't see Unions providing those workers with a living wage any longer.
(Not that the spineless maggots that were managing the Big Three aren't equally culpable...)
Hayduke
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Maybe the unions bargained for the high wages that these employees make...I am jealous for sure...but I would have to say that the massive amounts of money that people justify for executive pay is preposterous, these people talk on the phone and go to meetings, all while sitting in comfy chairs...not much chance of losing a finger...are auto workers over paid...maybe but compared to what?Unions are what destroyed Detroit, I don't see Unions providing those workers with a living wage any longer.
(Not that the spineless maggots that were managing the Big Three aren't equally culpable...)
Executive pay and a failure to compete with Honda and Toyota killed Detroit. Their failure was in purposely producing cars which were only meant to last for 5 years, and then you need to buy a new one. Their failure was in doing the polar opposite of the Japanese success of smaller reliable transportation and built Suburbans and Expeditions just because Americans can be sold anything...Do the unions share some blame in Detroit...undoubtedly, but would labor be as safe and fair without them? If you look at history I do not think anyone would think big business would have limited the work day or imposed safety regulations on themselves...or given the employees raises when they could just go get replacements from the local school yard.
The lack of unions only benefits the wealthy and gives them yet another way (besides religion) to control the masses and gain more personal wealth off the sweat of others.
CrackerJax
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No, non competitve waging practices ruined detroit... IE...unions.
Employee A : hard working dude
Employee B : NON hard working dude
Both are employed in a UNION workplace.
When Employee A wants to work harder, but cannot get any benefit for that hard work, he stops working harder. He eventually becomes Employee B.
Employee B will never become Employee A. He's already figured out that hard work gets you nowhere in union jobs. There is no advancement by work ethic.
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Employee A : hard working dude
Employee B : NON hard working dude
Both are employed in a UNION workplace.
When Employee A wants to work harder, but cannot get any benefit for that hard work, he stops working harder. He eventually becomes Employee B.
Employee B will never become Employee A. He's already figured out that hard work gets you nowhere in union jobs. There is no advancement by work ethic.
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Hayduke
Well-Known Member
True...but fairness does not win, greed does. Without unions we are left with a bunch of Employee A who can not pay their bills because they are not paid a livable wage. The competitive waging practices do not allow the best to make the most, but allow the ceiling to be kept unnaturally low due to supply and demand. As long as you can get somebody else to do it for less, why would you pay someone more, after all what you do not pay out, you get to keep.No, non competitve waging practices ruined detroit... IE...unions.
Employee A : hard working dude
Employee B : NON hard working dude
Both are employed in a UNION workplace.
When Employee A wants to work harder, but cannot get any benefit for that hard work, he stops working harder. He eventually becomes Employee B.
Employee B will never become Employee A. He's already figured out that hard work gets you nowhere in union jobs. There is no advancement by work ethic.
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In a fair and righteous (under populated) world we would not need unions and gov regulations, but unfortunately we are dealing with greedy humans.
tipsgnob
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This is why union memebers don't mind paying dues. this is owned and operated by the seafarers international union.
School Overview
Founded in 1967, the Paul Hall Center for Maritime Training and Education offers the most U.S. Coast Guard-approved courses of any maritime school in the nation.
Based in Piney Point, Md., the school is a hub of STCW training, featuring unsurpassed educational facilities and peaceful surroundings that facilitate learning. Among the school's most beneficial training tools are the bridge and engine simulators, the Joseph Sacco Fire Fighting and Safety School (located on a nearby satellite campus) and the culinary lab.
The Paul Hall Center offers everything from entry training to license preparation to academic support and more. Students at the southern Maryland school also may receive college credit recommendations for successfully completing certain sanctioned courses.
As vocational training for U.S. mariners seemingly becomes more important each year, the Paul Hall Center continues offering state-of-the-art schooling for Seafarers. An overview of the courses available at Piney Point (including the 70-plus Coast Guard-approved classes) is contained in an eight-page section in the printed version of the January 2008 LOG. Course descriptions also are listed on this site.
Students should note that courses and class dates may change due to the manpower needs of SIU-contracted companies. Therefore, Seafarers should check the latest issue of the Seafarers LOG for the most up-to-date class listings. Schedules also are available on this site. The basic eligibility for SIU members who want to upgrade at Piney Point includes 125 days' seatime in the previous year, one day of sea time in the last six months prior to the date the class starts, a copy of their z-card (front and back), a copy of the identification page of their union book, plus any other course-specific requirements. If the course mandates a U.S. Coast Guard test to acquire the endorsement, then the upgrader must meet all Coast Guard requirements prior to taking the class. Some courses have other specific requirements which are printed in bold.
School Overview
Based in Piney Point, Md., the school is a hub of STCW training, featuring unsurpassed educational facilities and peaceful surroundings that facilitate learning. Among the school's most beneficial training tools are the bridge and engine simulators, the Joseph Sacco Fire Fighting and Safety School (located on a nearby satellite campus) and the culinary lab.
The Paul Hall Center offers everything from entry training to license preparation to academic support and more. Students at the southern Maryland school also may receive college credit recommendations for successfully completing certain sanctioned courses.
As vocational training for U.S. mariners seemingly becomes more important each year, the Paul Hall Center continues offering state-of-the-art schooling for Seafarers. An overview of the courses available at Piney Point (including the 70-plus Coast Guard-approved classes) is contained in an eight-page section in the printed version of the January 2008 LOG. Course descriptions also are listed on this site.
Students should note that courses and class dates may change due to the manpower needs of SIU-contracted companies. Therefore, Seafarers should check the latest issue of the Seafarers LOG for the most up-to-date class listings. Schedules also are available on this site. The basic eligibility for SIU members who want to upgrade at Piney Point includes 125 days' seatime in the previous year, one day of sea time in the last six months prior to the date the class starts, a copy of their z-card (front and back), a copy of the identification page of their union book, plus any other course-specific requirements. If the course mandates a U.S. Coast Guard test to acquire the endorsement, then the upgrader must meet all Coast Guard requirements prior to taking the class. Some courses have other specific requirements which are printed in bold.
CrackerJax
New Member
There is a 38/per hour dollar disparity right now between non union and union auto workers. The non union guys are doing fine... 39/hr less and still doing fine.True...but fairness does not win, greed does. Without unions we are left with a bunch of Employee A who can not pay their bills because they are not paid a livable wage. The competitive waging practices do not allow the best to make the most, but allow the ceiling to be kept unnaturally low due to supply and demand. As long as you can get somebody else to do it for less, why would you pay someone more, after all what you do not pay out, you get to keep.
In a fair and righteous (under populated) world we would not need unions and gov regulations, but unfortunately we are dealing with greedy humans.
If you wish to have an industy based on EXCELLENCE...then you must go NON union. If Detroit was Non union, there wouldn't have been any needs for a bailout... end of story there. It's the unions which encourage mediocrity which are to blame.
One can only imagine how much BETTER the Seafarers industry would be if they went non union. But better it WOULD be.
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Hayduke
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Honestly, without the benchmark of the over paid union job, how much lower would the non union job pay? Professional cooks used to make ok money...Emeril and a porous border has increased the supply of workers and lowered the pay back to late 80's pay, when a movie was $4.50.
Union hotel cooks are still paid well. The union protects the pay and benefits of a group of people who otherwise always get the short end when times get tough(er).
Wait a minute.....Pirates!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Union hotel cooks are still paid well. The union protects the pay and benefits of a group of people who otherwise always get the short end when times get tough(er).
Wait a minute.....Pirates!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
olosto
New Member
Preach brotha preach!!If you wish to have an industy based on EXCELLENCE...then you must go NON union. If Detroit was Non union, there wouldn't have been any needs for a bailout... end of story there. It's the unions which encourage mediocrity which are to blame.
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Sense of entitlement.... Ouch
I wonder if the pirates are union? (only keep OT)
CrackerJax
New Member
The union wage is not a benchmark of any other pay scale. It's not based upon anything other than as much money as can be bargained for the "collective".
Do I believe that unions once held a real purpose in the US? Most certainly, but those days are long long gone. Heck, you cannot throw a rock today without hitting a lawyer. Arbitration and grievance recourse are more than plenty available today.
Frankly, I look for the NON UNION label when i buy... and I will never buy another union car again...ever.
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Do I believe that unions once held a real purpose in the US? Most certainly, but those days are long long gone. Heck, you cannot throw a rock today without hitting a lawyer. Arbitration and grievance recourse are more than plenty available today.
Frankly, I look for the NON UNION label when i buy... and I will never buy another union car again...ever.
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now we are on about unions? smoke some more ................................... 
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/piracy_captain
"Phillips was looking forward to some simple pleasures at home — a cold beer, some chicken pot pie and his mother-in-law's brownies. Around Underhill, folks planned to welcome him but give him his space, too. "
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/piracy_captain
"Phillips was looking forward to some simple pleasures at home — a cold beer, some chicken pot pie and his mother-in-law's brownies. Around Underhill, folks planned to welcome him but give him his space, too. "
CrackerJax
New Member
try and keep up... 
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i seem to be ahead. captains daughter is kinda cute .......................try and keep up...
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in a valerie bertinelli kinda way.
CrackerJax
New Member
Yah she is actually.... got a little Joan Jette thing going on there.
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college student.Yah she is actually.... got a little Joan Jette thing going on there.
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girls gone pirate.
CrackerJax
New Member
Before we hit the sack... c'mon...put on the patch!
Arggh...
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Arggh...
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Hydrotech364
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Where is youre Buccaneers?Answer ,Under my buccin hat!