Global Warming... Oops, I'm Sorry It's Now Called CLIMATE CHANGE :lol:

[CrackerJax]

heh, you dolt.... she is talking about a SINGLE volcano, not all of them. She cleverly put it apples to oranges.

Look I know for a fact that the volcano in Africa (I forget the name but I will look it up if you insist) matches the entire US on a day to day basis.

Ask that wonk about totals to totals....it's a joke.

 

[fdd2blk]

Fuck dude, your capicity to be wrong and act like your right is staggering..

http://www.thenakedscientists.com/HTML/content/questions/question/2008/
How much pollution does a volcano produce? I’ve heard that a volcanoes spew out as much pollution as all the cars that have ever been put on Earth combined but how much pollution does a volcano produce when it erupts? Darwin Teague

We asked our guest Marie Edmonds:
Marie- This is a very good question and it gives me an opportunity to dispel some of the myths about volcanoes and global warming and pollution. Volcanoes emit CO2 and SO2: carbon dioxide and sulphur dioxide are the main gases that might be construed to cause global warming or pollution. Volcanoes emit around 100,000,000 tonnes of CO2 a year. Compare that to man-made emissions of CO2 which comes to about 10,000,000,000 tonnes of CO2 per year. So volcanoes emit around 1/100th of CO2 that we do and are therefore insignificant in terms of global warming. Sulphur dioxide on the other hand, volcanoes emit around a tenth of the anthropogenic emissions of SO2. That forms regional smog.
Chris- Isn’t there a benefit of sulphur dioxide in that it reflects heat back in to space? In fact it cools down the Earth so volcanoes are quite good in that respect because they keep us cooler than we otherwise would be.
Marie- Yes. There has been some research in the last few years that suggests very large eruptions such as Pinatubo in 1991. That eruption emitted about 20 megatonnes of SO2 into the stratosphere. Eruptions such as those which happen once every decade in fact have slowed down global warming a little bit. Without those eruptions we’d actually see the effects of global warming much more now than we do.
June 2008

that's not very clear.

 

[CrackerJax]

CO2 is essential to life on earth.... it's not a bad thing and the earth has had FAR HIGHER levels than this before....it is NOT a problem. Besides, the earth is COOLING.....which goes against CO2. DOH!!

 

[bicycle racer]

do you believe humans and our industrial practices have no negative effect on the earth? im not trying to be sarcastic really asking.

 

[CrackerJax]

negative? I think the effect neg or pos, is minute. Have you ever noticed how green the medians are on highways? Plants LOVE exhaust.....

Look, you can flail about all you want as to what measurements are valid or not, but in the end the SUN dictates EVERYTHING. And the sun says....earth, you cool down now, and that is exactly what we are doing...cooling. So big Al Bore was completely wrong. We are going to keep cooling down too.

Far more ppl die when the earth cools than warms. If you want to help ppl, keep a campfire going 24/7.....fire up the BBQ, go get a SEADOO and run around the lake all day (hmmm).

It won't work, but you'll have more fun. Nothing can control the earths weather except for the sun......nothing.

P.S. notice that Al Bore and clan NEVER talk about the sun.

 

[medicineman]

An Inconvenient Truth


The film eloquently weaves the science of global warming with Al Gore's personal story and lifelong commitment to stop global warming. A rallying cry for action

Figure 1. The Keeling Curve is a record of CO2 measurements taken at he top of Mauna Loa volcano in Hawaii since 1958.

"For those that have eyes, let them see" All you naysayers are pretty un-informed or more likely just ignorant as a whole. If one were to investigate the "facts", I'm pretty sure they'd get on board with real scientists and meteorologists, instead of the quacks that for the most part work for industry and the "Bush" government. Reality is real and bullshit is bullshit, your choice. Either you side with Bullshit or you realize the facts. This sticking our heads in the sand philosophy is dead and stinking. Yes Opie, global warming is real and is partially if not mostly caused by Man.

 

[bicycle racer]

i wish he(al gore) never made that documentary people were much more open to looking at this in an unbiased way before it was made into a democrat vs republican issue. we will have to agree to disagree as i side with the scientific community and what i understand about this subject.

 

[olosto]

heh, you dolt.... she is talking about a SINGLE volcano, not all of them. She cleverly put it apples to oranges.

Look I know for a fact that the volcano in Africa (I forget the name but I will look it up if you insist) matches the entire US on a day to day basis.

Ask that wonk about totals to totals....it's a joke.

Listen no where does it say one volcano there.. Where are you getting that?

She said emmissions from volcanoes (all notice the s at the end) 100,000,000 as compared to human emmissions of 10,000,000,000. I do not see what you are talking about. Volcanos emit 1/100th the emissions we do, end of story.

The united statesis also the second largest co2 producer according to a 2007 article(behind china). That means that the US is very likely producing many times the co2 of ALL of the volanoes.

 

[olosto]

An Inconvenient Truth


The film eloquently weaves the science of global warming with Al Gore's personal story and lifelong commitment to stop global warming. A rallying cry for action

Look at it this way. In a few decades we will not have to use CO2 tanks on our crops. It'll already be at optimum co2 levels.., lol..

 

[bicycle racer]

when a volcano erupts they produce massive amounts of gases but not any where near as much when they sit idle between eruptions.

 

[CrackerJax]

All of those charts are a joke. I think Mike moore must have helped with those...

Now did you hear how the nubers have been fudged? No?

Or how about that a bunch of sensors temps spiked becuase of environmental changes around the SENSOR, not the earth. Didn't hear that? No? I'll bet.



Like I said, the EARTH IS COOLING which makes all those charts irrelevant and wrong wrong wrong. It's the SUN..... yah keep ignoring it.

 

[bicycle racer]

besides solar flares and such the sun pretty much does the same thing all the time and our orbit has not changed much. elaborate on the suns effects if you dont mind.

 

[olosto]

All of those charts are a joke. I think Mike moore must have helped with those...

Now did you hear how the nubers have been fudged? No?

Or how about that a bunch of sensors temps spiked becuase of environmental changes around the SENSOR, not the earth. Didn't hear that? No? I'll bet.



Like I said, the EARTH IS COOLING which makes all those charts irrelevant and wrong wrong wrong. It's the SUN..... yah keep ignoring it.

BUAHAHAHAHAHAH!!

When you don't like the data.. Attack it, lol.

When you were in school did you correct the teacher when you got one of your hair brained ideas?

Cracker: No, the earth is not round! Its Flat!

Teacher: But little cracker we have been into space even and I assure you that the earth is indeed round!

Cracker: That's propaganda bullshit! The earth is flat which makes all those charts irrelevant and wrong wrong wrong. Those bastards were in on it too and that Michael Moore bastard too!!

 

[CrackerJax]

I ignore BAD data and that is what is all over Al Gore's fictional docudrama....

By the way, did you read the first post about a scientist who outstrips just about everybody else? Read it......the guy is amazing. he is the equivalent of my avatar.

 

[olosto]

No.. I was ignoring the bad data...

 

[TheBrutalTruth]

besides solar flares and such the sun pretty much does the same thing all the time and our orbit has not changed much. elaborate on the suns effects if you dont mind.

Solar minima and maxima. The sun right now is in a low point (solar minima) of its sunspot cycle. There are fewer sunspots (flares) and thus less energy being output at the surface. The sun has been at a low point for, I believe a couple years now. Temperatures have also been trending down for the last couple years (Google it, or Bing it). Temperatures have been stable or down for the last decade.

The argument that this is not open to debate is the argument of tyrants and ideologues that are trying to force people to do something against their will. Cap and trade is not a solution to CO2. If you are really worried about it, go and plant some plants or trees that will convert CO2 to O2.

Though there is a possibility that CO2 will actually be a force for good, as it is the gas that plants use to generate their energy. More energy for the plants means more food for humanity, and for other animals that eat plants (or eat animals that eat plants.)

Yes, there are limits to how much CO2 would be a good thing, but the entire debate around CO2 is ignoring the strongest of the greenhouse gases, (probably because people act like sheep, but aren't completely stupid.) That gas of course is Water Vapor. The government wants you to stop exhaling your greenhouse gases (CO2 and Water Vapor.) It wants you to die.

I'm of the mind that all the politicians and bureaucrats (less perhaps teachers, decent police (if such a thing exists) and firefighters) should go first.

 

[CrackerJax]

thx TBT, I'm quite busy today.... be back in a bit. Olosto...read the first post. It's not all about GW, but still quite an amazing fellow...super smart.

 

[bicycle racer]

solar variability has minimal impact on climate there is more info on this at stanford solar center website and many others. the majority of the scientific community feels human influence of greenhouse gases are the biggest factor in climate trends.

 

[TheBrutalTruth]

solar variability has minimal impact on climate there is more info on this at stanford solar center website and many others. the majority of the scientific community feels human influence of greenhouse gases are the biggest factor in climate trends.

How many of those are meteorologists? or astro-physicists?

The opinion of a professor in Podunk, Alaska talking about gemology or mining technology, or a professor in San Diego, California talking about Anthropology is not a valid member of the scientific community. While they may have an opinion, it is not going to necessarily be an informed (or even intelligent) opinion.

 

[CrackerJax]

There is a large qualified community of scientists who dispute the greenhouse gas theory, but they are totally ignored by the press and the pol's. That's why this is news to you. You have to dig for the truth on this issue yourself. it will NOT be presented to you.