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GypsyBush

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I figured I would use the fox farms until I ran out, or had a problem. Then if I want to change I will.

Do your thing...

But I did try the complete FF line up... solubles and all...

It gave ME nothing but troubles with the pH...

It would drop like a stone daily.. from 6.3 to 5.0...

And it took me a while to get rid of whatever organism took over...

Nothing bad happened to the plants, I am sure it was beneficial bacteria... my roots were healthy.. plus pithium makes the pH go UP not down...

But still I battled it and battled it, adjusting the pH 2x a day, everyday...

I then switched to Humboldt..

The problem got a little better, but still un-accptable...

It wasn;t until I switched to my 1 original non organic nute and h2o2 that I got things back under control...

Now... with the NSR Greenleaves Bloom Juice and h2o2, I add A LITTLE ph down every week or so...

The res has been at 5.8~5.9 for the last 8 days now...

This is what I am using... nothing more... it's the same stuf I used in the AG, the tent and the start of the SOG...

I went full circle...

I like simple...;-)

 

Thundercat

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I thought I remembered you saying you had problems with the fox farms. Thats one reason I was already thinking about changing. I have noticed that all the fox farms stuff does drop the ph hard. I'm wondering if running a silica addative would fix that, I thought I heard they were usually a higher ph. I don't know, I'm gonna have to see how much everything I Need to buy costs, then consider if I can afford to switch nutes at this point. I deffinitely agree with simple gypsy, I'd love to not have to do shit to my rez other then top it off for minimum a week, 2-3 weeks would be great. I'm pretty sure that Stink Bud only changes his rez every 3 weeks, so I was considering using his nute formula. I like the idea of just one bottle like you have though.

Where did you get that H2O2 from, any suggestions where I should look in the states? So we've talked abouta bunch of stuff the last couple days man, and I really appreciate the help and input. Now the big question, have I forgotten anything?
 

GypsyBush

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I thought I remembered you saying you had problems with the fox farms. Thats one reason I was already thinking about changing. I have noticed that all the fox farms stuff does drop the ph hard. I'm wondering if running a silica addative would fix that, I thought I heard they were usually a higher ph. I don't know, I'm gonna have to see how much everything I Need to buy costs, then consider if I can afford to switch nutes at this point.
Deff. go with what you have and see... just beware and keep an eye out...

If it works.. I see no reason not to use it... I had great results.. just the freaking pH was not cool...


I deffinitely agree with simple gypsy, I'd love to not have to do shit to my rez other then top it off for minimum a week, 2-3 weeks would be great. I'm pretty sure that Stink Bud only changes his rez every 3 weeks, so I was considering using his nute formula. I like the idea of just one bottle like you have though.
There is nothing that says I can't do that too...

Especially using the h2o2... I just prefer to feed my girls fresh nutes in pace with the rotation...

Who knows.. now that I am not a rotating op anymore, maybe I'll get lazy and do every 3 weeks...:lol:



Where did you get that H2O2 from, any suggestions where I should look in the states?
I used to get it from the hydro shop at $115 a gallon of the 35%...

they stopped carrying it, that's when I went on my organic walk...:lol:

Then, Al B. Fuct looked up some listings and recommended an Industrial Chemical Supply place....

They had things like pool chlorine, ammonia, things like that...

Anyways, I paid $110 for a 15 gallon pail of the 50%...

So I would deff start calling around... industrial chemical suppliers ...

So we've talked abouta bunch of stuff the last couple days man, and I really appreciate the help and input.
No sweat bro...

I am just glad that I can share my experience...

Now the big question, have I forgotten anything?
I'm not sure TC...

Did we talk about potsizes?

how about medium?

cloning?

moms?

:lol:
 

Thundercat

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Well the pot size will either be 5.5 or 6, not sure just yet depends what I can get the best deal on. Medium is gonna be hydroton, and either rockwool, or oasis starter plugs. I've got the cloning game down pretty good, I've only lost like 2 clones since this whole thing started. I'm also planning on building an aero cloner asap, just gotta figure everything out in the mean time. As far as moms go, I already have a couple WW moms, and I am bringing, and I have about 45 clones that I've selected from the 75 I took a few weeks back. I'm gonna prolly fill 2 of the trays right off the bat, and then wait a couple weeks to fill the last, and start the cycle. I'll be back in a few, but that's what I was thinking as far as pots, medium, moms, and clones. Peace TC
 

GypsyBush

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Well the pot size will either be 5.5 or 6, not sure just yet depends what I can get the best deal on.
May I suggest that you get pots to fill the tray...

Like if you are only doing 12 plants in a tray or 8 or 4... adjust the pot size to fill your tray...

Not only will that give bigger roots to bigger plants (I argued with King that small plants don;t need huge roots..) but it will also take care of any light hitting the tray...

Remember how "packed" my trays look?

Try to do the same thing.. even if it's with just 6 pots...:eyesmoke:

did I just make any sense???:lol:

Medium is gonna be hydroton, and either rockwool, or oasis starter plugs. I've got the cloning game down pretty good, I've only lost like 2 clones since this whole thing started.
Pretty cool... you're all set there...

I'm also planning on building an aero cloner asap, just gotta figure everything out in the mean time.
Nice... good luck with that project..:clap:

As far as moms go, I already have a couple WW moms, and I am bringing, and I have about 45 clones that I've selected from the 75 I took a few weeks back.
Yup all set there too....:razz:

I'm gonna prolly fill 2 of the trays right off the bat, and then wait a couple weeks to fill the last, and start the cycle.
And so the machine starts...:lol:

I'll be back in a few, but that's what I was thinking as far as pots, medium, moms, and clones. Peace TC

Right on bro...

It'll work... you know what needs to happen... so I am sure it will get done...

Also... may I suggest the little panda film pot covers I made,...

Super nice... reflect light back... absorbs way less radiant heat than the dark hydroton... and prevents algae from forming on exposed wet surfaces...

Kinda of a pain when it's time to move everything around... but I just take my time and do it up...:lol:
 

Thundercat

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I hadn't considered using some larger pots for the larger plants. Maybe I'll pick up some 8 or 10 inch pots too for when I try some larger ones. Like you said more root space. But ya it made sense. I'm hoping to get a deal if I get like a 100 or the pots, so I can deffinitly fill any empty space with them. I also have panda film, so I will prolly be making some pot covers for the trays too. I'm getting pretty excited about all this. I really can't wait to go shopping, and then get this damn move out of the way so I can start building!
 

GypsyBush

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I hate to sound like a broken record...:lol:

But to have any space on the tray not dedicated to roots is kind of a waste...

You may even have to go with some kind of plastic container other than a pot...

Do some math an try to find something that will fit in "tetris" style...

Even a clear container would work, as the trays are light proof, and you will be basically lightproofing the top with the panda film squares that overlap...

Go with what you can get obviously, but I like to dedicate every cubic inch of flodd zone to the roots...
 

Thundercat

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Not a broken record at all man I totally get what your saying, I agree it makes alot of sense. I'm gonna take a look and see what kind of pots I can find. I'll get some 5.5 or 6 inchers for the single cola clones to get started. But maybe I can find some 10 or 12 inch big pots if I try only like 8 per tray with some veg time. I don't know, so many ideas, so many variables. I'm just looking forward to getting started simple, and then I'll experiment from there with trying differant stuff.
 

littlegrower2004

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Not a broken record at all man I totally get what your saying, I agree it makes alot of sense. I'm gonna take a look and see what kind of pots I can find. I'll get some 5.5 or 6 inchers for the single cola clones to get started. But maybe I can find some 10 or 12 inch big pots if I try only like 8 per tray with some veg time. I don't know, so many ideas, so many variables. I'm just looking forward to getting started simple, and then I'll experiment from there with trying differant stuff.
tc if you want to get started simple just shoot for all the same size pots and do a zero veg run for the first harvest. then once you get those all pulled out and get some more money, you can find bigger pots and really start to experiment to find the variables in harvest.
 

GypsyBush

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tc if you want to get started simple just shoot for all the same size pots and do a zero veg run for the first harvest. then once you get those all pulled out and get some more money, you can find bigger pots and really start to experiment to find the variables in harvest.

I saw this post by this crazy guy somewhere... :shock:

When I read what was said above.. it made me think of it...:lol:



:clap::clap:


More than suggestions, it's an all inclusive package deal with a guarantee backed by DOZENS, if not more, of Fuctheads like myself across the interweb...

I said it once and I am still proud to say...

"It's not the only way to grow... but when I ignored all other ways... and the lights came on.... I found myself in a Sea of Green..."
by GypsyBush, inspired by Al B. Fuct...:clap:








:joint::peace:






 

Thundercat

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Well little grower that pretty much exactly what I plan on doing! Technically the clones that are going in will have had several weeks of veg time under my floro lights though. I've trimmed them back twice already. But still the plan, just throw them down in the trays all in the same size pots, and then move forwards from there.

So to be completely honest I've never read all the way threw any of the Al B. Fuct threads, just bits here and there. But from everything I have read, and everything I've read of his that you've quoted gypsy, I Pretty much agree, that he ROCKS!
 

GypsyBush

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Well little grower that pretty much exactly what I plan on doing! Technically the clones that are going in will have had several weeks of veg time under my floro lights though. I've trimmed them back twice already. But still the plan, just throw them down in the trays all in the same size pots, and then move forwards from there.

So to be completely honest I've never read all the way threw any of the Al B. Fuct threads, just bits here and there. But from everything I have read, and everything I've read of his that you've quoted gypsy, I Pretty much agree, that he ROCKS!
You will do well TC...

As for reading his threads...

I do it on a perpetual basis...:lol:

I only read Al's posts, as he quotes every question before giving the answer...

Just start... then book mark the page and start there next time...

I have read them all at least 10 times... all the way to the end... and back...

And every time I do it again... there is so much I learn... every time...

There is a lot of good info on there... too much to learn in a few reads...

I made it my bible...:lol:

Even now that I am shutting down the SOG... I still read up on Al's threads...

It's almost better than having him here again... cause the info that's there isn't going anywhere...

He is not the know all end all...

but his system fucking works...

Worked for him for the last 7 years...7 months for me...

I will miss SOG and I am sure I will do it again...

But for now I have my mind on these Satindica trees I am working on...:lol:

Best of LUCK TC...

Much respect and much love...:hug:

holler if ya need me...;-)
 

GypsyBush

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in fact TC..

AL B. Fuct just made a post...:razz: :clap:

Here's what he had to say...

no wuckin' furries. :)

If I had to offer general suggestions to a noob, these would be the most significant:

* Build your room so it presents consistently correct conditions; 24-26C @ 30-50%RH with frequent ventilation.

* All locations for grow rooms are different but proper ventilation and thus keeping temps down is the hardest thing to accomplish in the spaces folx usually have available to use as grow ops. Cooltubes are an amazing helpmeet toward that end. There's some light intensity loss through the tube glass but you lose more yield through overtemp than through the 3-5% reduction in light intensity through the Pyrex. Also, when the vast majority of heat from lights is removed by the constant operation of cooltube fans during lights-on, you can significantly derate how much fan power you need for the room's main exhaust blower. Before I used cooltubes, my ~500cu ft flowering room struggled to stay under 26-27C (in summer in particular) even with a monster 250mm, 200W 650CFM exhaust blower assisted by 2x 150mm intake blowers. Could probably get by these days with a single 150mm or 200mm on exhaust and a 150mm on the intake.

* Shoot nutrient strength low rather than high. You will probably find that you get by just fine on half or less of the mfr's recommendations. You lose less yield from slight underfert than you do from nute burning.

* More is not always (in fact, usually not) better with growing plants. There's a bell curve to this- there's 'not enough,' 'just right' and 'dead.' The only exception is lighting, where there's no such thing as too much light, as long as you can maintain room air temps in the 24-26C range.

* Avoid magic sauces. They're mostly water and rarely justify their cost. If there's no solid botanical evidence supporting the use of an additive, skip it. If the mfr doesn't tell you what's in a magic sauce (which is common), you can't establish the scientific evidence necessary to justify the use of any given magic sauce. If you do want to mess with these things, the only way to establish efficacy is to run comparison grows; that means (at least) two crops side by side under the same lighting in the same room. Most grow rooms' conditions are not totally and perfectly climate controlled year-round. They usually vary significantly from crop to crop. Comparisons based on serial crops can be coloured by variations in room conditions. Only side-by-side comparisons eliminate the variations in conditions and give you a clear indication of the merit of any additive. As a rule, find out what works for you and keep doing it the same way. Don't change anything without being strongly convinced that the change is helpful.

* 'Organic' doesn't mean 'good' or even 'better.' In the case of reliable, repeatable, constant rotating harvest ops, inorganic nutes are superior as you can use H2O2 with them. Can't count the number of new growers who get sucked into organics and then have root rot problems they can't solve with 'organic' enzyme-based pathogen controls. Organic nutrients are composed of complex biomatters (e.g. bat guano, worm castings, etc) which the plants can't assimilate directly. You depend upon organic nutrients to break down into N, P & K in the rootzone (at not always well-known rates) before the plants can eat them. May as well use inorganic nutes which are already in that state and also have a solid idea of nutrient strength and bioavailability, as well as have the ability to use (regularly applied) H2O2, which is a sure-fire, every single time solution to root probs.

rotsaruck. :)
 

Thundercat

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Lol, thanks for everything man, I actually just read through that post on your thread too. Hopefully I'll be able to make you guys proud!
 

GypsyBush

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I am sure you will kick ass!!!! :clap::clap:

Did you catch the last pics I just posted...?

I got all 4 lights, 3 "Satindica" trees and two 2x4 trays... in the new room..:hump::razz:
 

Thundercat

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Hell ya man, shits gonna be totally off the hook. Its gonna be some serious weight there. Speaking from experiance the bushy ass sativas can really produce!! I got about 1/4lb off each of my bushy girls, and yours will be way bigger!!
 

Thundercat

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Lol, ok! Like your gonna have a problem keeping it alive, HA!

I'm finally making more butter out of all this latest trim. I've got about 3 sticks worth of sativa butter, and 3 sticks of ww kush butter in the making. I've got a ton more sativa trim though, so I'll have tons of butter, and I'm prolly gonna try to make some sativa hash, we'll see how well that works. Any way I'll catch you guys tomorrow, peace! TC
 

Thundercat

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Well I've got about 9 sticks of butter made, and still have a ton of trim still, so I gotta go get more butter tomorrow. I'm making it the same way as last time, and it was dank as fuck last batch. I am how ever rinsing it after the initial cooking. I'm gonna rinse it out 2-4 times, as recommended by one of you guys, but I can't remember who. lol, anyway we'll see how it turns out.

We've been packing, and still gonna be for the next week prolly. Movin aug 1st, so its coming quick! I'll catch you guys latta TC
 
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