Diy bubbleponics

ForbiddenFruit

ForbiddenFruit

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Roseman said:
By adding Additional Oxygen, via bubbles, and nutrients to each grow cup, in a slight trickle (not a solid flow) You do not need a timer on the feeding tubes, and the cube or root base will not drown as is possible in a DRIP System.
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OK, so how do you get it to "trickle" instead of dripping? What allows you to adjust the flow down to a trickle? Constant trickle without ever turning it off? This irrigation hub I presume has he ability to regulate the flow down to a trickle? Well, please define trickle, if you would be so kind. One man's "trickle" might be another mans waterfall. lol

Also, could I work this system large scale for a SOG grow?

Let's say I used a huge tub (100+ gallons), how deep does the water have to be? Or should I say, how close does the water have to be to the plants?

Also, when starting from seed, will this system be sufficient? OR would I have to start them off in another system and then transfer them over? Seems like the "trickle" would be enough, but just making sure... Can a young seedling handle that constant trickle as well?

I am trying to make sure I understand everything here... Basically this is a DWC/drip system set up. The roots will drop down into the water. The water will be oxygenated by the air pumps. And then you simply throw in a "trickle" system right dab center of the grow media at the heart of the roots? The only real difference between this and a drip system being the "trickle" instead of the "drip"... Does that sum it up?

thank you in advance sir!
 
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Illegal Smile

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ForbiddenFruit said:
also - once the roots reach the water is there still any benefit to continue running the water pump?
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The question is whether there is ever any benefit. I'm using the system without pump and tubes but with more airstones and a larger pump. The breaking bubbles water the netpots with no problem, and I can control how much with the water level. I get roots in the water on day 6. Try it both ways and see for yourself. It will be worth the cost of the pump and distributor and tubes just to see that you don't need them.
 
purpdaddy

purpdaddy

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Illegal Smile said:
The question is whether there is ever any benefit. I'm using the system without pump and tubes but with more airstones and a larger pump. The breaking bubbles water the netpots with no problem, and I can control how much with the water level. I get roots in the water on day 6. Try it both ways and see for yourself. It will be worth the cost of the pump and distributor and tubes just to see that you don't need them.
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No you dont absolutely need em..but fuck man let people grow BP way.Just cause you can baby ur plants all day doesnt mean EVERYONE has that priviledge.I have to work so i cant stay home or come home 3-4 times a day to water em.The feeder tubes and pump work both ways..in or out.
There is a benefit...roots grow faster to the water,it delivers their food to them exactly when they need it when they have no roots.
Lemme guess..you filling the tank to the bottom of the cups now?
 
purpdaddy

purpdaddy

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ForbiddenFruit said:
also - once the roots reach the water is there still any benefit to continue running the water pump?
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Not really..itll keep the water cooler.But once the roots hit the water..the tubes and pump have done their job..but i will also hurt NOTHING to keep it all in throughout the entire grow.
 
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Illegal Smile

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purpdaddy said:
No you dont absolutely need em..but fuck man let people grow BP way.Just cause you can baby ur plants all day doesnt mean EVERYONE has that priviledge.I have to work so i cant stay home or come home 3-4 times a day to water em.The feeder tubes and pump work both ways..in or out.
There is a benefit...roots grow faster to the water,it delivers their food to them exactly when they need it when they have no roots.
Lemme guess..you filling the tank to the bottom of the cups now?
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Your missing my point. I am NOT watering them from the top AT ALL and neither are others using the simple system that was around before anyone coined the term bubbleponics. And, no I'm not raising water to the netpots. In fact I'm using the SH tote with 6 gallons of water so without the displacement of the pump, tubes and distributor, my water level is actually lower. But with plenty of bubbles it does the same job (better I think) as the feeder tubes. I got roots to the water this way (the actually lower water) on the 6th day. I doubt that can be beaten.

I don't know what you mean by "let people grow." How could I possibly stop anyone? I do think giving people alternatives to consider and encouraging them to try it themselves is a good thing, don't you? And another thing since I'm on my soapbubblebox - it is supremely ironic that a system that is based on no faith in the bubbles would be called bubbleponics. I think people using the SH system could all yank the pumps and tubes and see no difference, if they add some airstones and get a better pump because the one stone and little pump that comes with the kit is admittedly not enough. PS - the pump does not keep the water cooler. The laws of thermodynamics make it impossible. The only way the water can be made cooler is if it can give off heat to its surroundings, and those surroundings were cooler (or with refridgeration technology eg chillers). In fact the heat from the pump, and theoretically the friction of moving water would increase temps. This from my friend who is a Physics Prof at University of Michigan.
 
Roseman

Roseman

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ForbiddenFruit said:
OK, so how do you get it to "trickle" instead of dripping? What allows you to adjust the flow down to a trickle?

Some of the Irrigation Hubs are adjustable but some are not. The water pump sucks in alot of air and water together, (BUBBLES) making it gurgle or gargle, so the tube just trickles out bubbles.

Constant trickle without ever turning it off? This irrigation hub I presume has he ability to regulate the flow down to a trickle?
Yes.
Well, please define trickle, if you would be so kind. One man's "trickle" might be another mans waterfall. lol

Also, could I work this system large scale for a SOG grow?

You could, they would get off to a faster start, you can start a seed in the system.

Let's say I used a huge tub (100+ gallons), how deep does the water have to be? Or should I say, how close does the water have to be to the plants?

The depth of the water is whatever you need to cover the roots. As long as theya re all wet, they can be very croweded togehter.

Also, when starting from seed, will this system be sufficient? OR would I have to start them off in another system and then transfer them over?
NO, I 'll get ya a pic. Look:

I started soaking the seeds Sunday afternoon, 8-23-09 around 4:00 pm.
I wanted to soak them 24 hours, but I soaked them about 28 to 30 hours.
I placed them in the cubes around 8:15 to 8:30, Monday night, 8-24-09.
Tuesday night, 8-25-09 around 9:00 pm, I found this sprout already.
I went in to the closet to make sure each and every cube was soaking wet. That lets me know my water pump, tubes and hub are working good. What a surprise!
Try this same experiment in a plain DWC, or Aeroponic System, or whatever, and see how that sprout does.

This is what the feeder tubes and irrigation hub and bubbles are all about, SPEED!
A VERY RAPID Start. A Very Rapid GROW!


Seems like the "trickle" would be enough, but just making sure... Can a young seedling handle that constant trickle as well?

I am trying to make sure I understand everything here... Basically this is a DWC/drip system set up.
Basically, yes. Most DRIP systems I have seen are with an exterior pump, or at least exterior feeder tubes on a timer..

The roots will drop down into the water. The water will be oxygenated by the air pumps. And then you simply throw in a "trickle" system right dab center of the grow media at the heart of the roots? The only real difference between this and a drip system being the "trickle" instead of the "drip"... Does that sum it up?

No Timer is needed for the feeding.

thank you in advance sir!
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I am not saying from experience (which is what determines what I go by or believe) that Bubbleponics beats Ebb and Flow, or beats Aeroponics with misters or sprayers. I have not grown with ebb and flow or with aeroponics. I HAVE grown with plain DWC, and I am saying with absolute certainity, FROM EXPERIENCE) that this Bubbleponics is better for the first 4 weeks of VEG, they get off to a faster start, and grow faster, and you can start a seed in it. I need a sprout or clone to start DWC with.
 
southern homegrower

southern homegrower

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Illegal Smile said:
The question is whether there is ever any benefit. I'm using the system without pump and tubes but with more airstones and a larger pump. The breaking bubbles water the netpots with no problem, and I can control how much with the water level. I get roots in the water on day 6. Try it both ways and see for yourself. It will be worth the cost of the pump and distributor and tubes just to see that you don't need them.
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for people new to growing i think the pump & the tubes should be hooked up as long as possible because if u have some plant problems and need to flush it would help a lot to have the water going directly to the base of the plant might save u from killing the plant
 
Roseman

Roseman

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southern homegrower said:
for people new to growing i think the pump & the tubes should be hooked up as long as possible because if u have some plant problems and need to flush it would help a lot to have the water going directly to the base of the plant might save u from killing the plant
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Have you used the system?
 
MostlyCrazy

MostlyCrazy

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Dear Mister/Ms. Mod,

Would you please reconsider your infraction levied against Purpdaddy? We are all passionate about what we do and sometimes that passion can lead to a heated exchange. In this particular case the gentleman that reported the infraction was very adamant on several threads that the Bubbleponic way was a waste of time and/or simply a marketing ploy and alluded that the founding member of our group as a shill for the company in question which he is not. I know from personal experience that is not the case and the gentleman in question has little if any growing experience but none the less feels obligated to erroneously inform others to the detriment of all. As you may know we are a peaceful group and try very hard to be instructive and welcoming to all newbies around the word to the benefit of us and the reputation of RIU. We intend to spread the joy and healing power of what we grow. If you would be so kind would you please reconsider the infraction this one time and chalk it up to the passion we feel that drives us to help?

Thank you very much for your consideration.

MC
 
southern homegrower

southern homegrower

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i use the same concept i have sprayers spraying the bottom third of my rockwool but my roots sit in the water and i have air stones. i think the tubes would be even better. so maybe i am doing the same thing he is i dont usually give advice because im new to this but to me it would be common sense that the pump & tubes would help fix problems quicker
 
funkydope

funkydope

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Illegal Smile said:
The question is whether there is ever any benefit. I'm using the system without pump and tubes but with more airstones and a larger pump. The breaking bubbles water the netpots with no problem, and I can control how much with the water level. I get roots in the water on day 6. Try it both ways and see for yourself. It will be worth the cost of the pump and distributor and tubes just to see that you don't need them.
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First of all.....why is a avid Hater of BP, in a BP thread trying to give advice? I don't really understand the logic in this but whatever. I've been growing BP for the last four years and I have also completed some DWC grows during this period as well. And I will say HANDS DOWN BP is better. Easier to manage, faster growther, fuller growth and has been a much more efficient way for me to grow. I start training my plants early and it definitely helps with all the new roots developing because of all the new growth from doing LST.
 
MostlyCrazy

MostlyCrazy

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SH,

Yours is just a slight modification and we all adjust our experiment in the hope of doing it the best we can with our knowledge and available parts. I also like your logic as it seems sound. Fix the whole problem instead of just part of it. Well done!

Join the bubbleheads if you feel so inclined! We know you are with us either way.
 
MostlyCrazy

MostlyCrazy

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Funkydope,

Experience talks and BS walks everytime it is confronted.

That LST does help doesn't it! More buddage makes me happy!
 
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