9/11 debunking accomplished

[CrackerJax]

No, my side has been investigated and found to be the accepted facts of the case.

Your premise is UNPROVEN.

Very true.

It is you two who believe in a convoluted twisted story of deceit and treachery.

Everyone else knows darn well it was Al Queda.

Please don't mention logic.... you don't use any.

 

[macinnis]

why am i the one that is incorrect when no one can show how those buildings could fall straight down and defeat the laws of physics. when a building is imploded explosives are put in maltipal strategic places to make sure the building fall on top of it's self and your trying to tell me one plane will do the same. i don't think so.

There have been experiments that with out a doubt conclude that the fire caused by the jet fuel weakend the external skeleton, made of steel, to a point where one floor fell down onto the floor below it causing a chain reaction that took out the whole building. Look how the tops of the towers (above the level of the first floor to fall) stay in tact as they are crashing down. The History Channel just did a 2 hour special, debunking the myths and conspiracy theories. I suggest everyone watch it, very informative and well done.

 

[macinnis]

No, my side has been investigated and found to be the accepted facts of the case.

Your premise is UNPROVEN.

Very true.

It is you two who believe in a convoluted twisted story of deceit and treachery.

Everyone else knows darn well it was Al Queda.

Please don't mention logic.... you don't use any.

I can't believe we are on the same side of debunking a conspiracy theory. Maybe someday I can get you to come around on Obama's BC. Even Michelle Bachman (The craziest bitch in congress) said she believes he is a natural born citizen the other day

 

[CrackerJax]

but the obama BC is not a conspiracy by those wanting proof.... it's the other way round.

And it ALL can end with the President of the USA making a SINGLE phone call.... but he won't.

Big difference.

 

[macinnis]

Even Michelle Bachman, miss "I think congress should be investiged to see if they are pro-America or Anti-America"!

 

[Wavels]

a rational man would tend to winnow out the myriad theories by use of occam's razor, that the simplest answer is most likely true. does it make more sense that an intense fire could weaken a structure uniformly or that not only were explosive secreted throughout the building, but that no one involved would have uttered a word about such an abominable act? however; rational men seldom prevail in the world of the conspiracy theorist.

I award undertheice a gold star and a purple jellybean for exposing the very heart of this matter!.
Outstanding and deadly accurate!

 

[undertheice]

i'll put that gold star on the mantel, right next to my brownie points and nobel peace prize. on second thought, i think the star is a bit more important than the nobel.

 

[RickWhite]

It should be obvious at this point that the truthers only believe what they do because for whatever cray reason they simply want to.

We have proved beyond a reasonable doubt that none of their arguments hold water but each time we do they simply say that we haven't. It goes something like this.

they say that if 2X=10, X must be 8.

We explain that in fact X must be 5 because the laws of algebra say that you divide each side by 2 and get X=5. Therefore we have proved that X=5 and not 8.

They respond by saying "no you haven't because 2+8=10 and you haven't proved otherwise."

Well, how do you win with people like that? We have posted fact, after fact, after fact, after fact. All they say is "you haven't posted any facts," while looking at a dozen facts they can't respond to. It really is exactly like Monty Python's "argument clinic."

At this point all I can say is that deep down they know we are right but they just can't bring themselves to admit it.

 

[CrackerJax]

Psychology is really looking into the psychosis of conspiracy believers.

At a certain point, there CAN BE NO TURNING BACK for them. They get stuck in the rabbit hole and can only go forward, which leads to isolation and depression reinforcing the need to be with others who are in the same predicament. It's a hole that never fills.

 

[RickWhite]

Psychology is really looking into the psychosis of conspiracy believers.

At a certain point, there CAN BE NO TURNING BACK for them. They get stuck in the rabbit hole and can only go forward, which leads to isolation and depression reinforcing the need to be with others who are in the same predicament. It's a hole that never fills.

Very interesting. I can see that clearly there is a psychological component but I'm not knowledgeable enough in that field to break it down to the underlying causes. It definitely seems like a disease.

 

[IAm5toned]

for someone with a pretty in depth knowledge of engineering, i find extraordinarily impossible to be able to wire a building (wt7) for covert demolition in the middle of NYC without having about 10km of wiring to tie all the damn explosives together...

any ranking member of the NYFD that was present on ground zero during the hours following the two initial collapses will tell you that wt7 was abandoned because it was deemed unsavable due to excessive structural damage. once the fires moved in it was a matter of time untill a catastrophic failure occurred.... i mean really people. and as far as a free fall collapse, you can see just how fast the first two towers fell when they suffered catastrophic failure of less than 10% of the integral structure. how long from impact to the first collapse? wt7 steel frame was fractured in multiple points from the concussion of the impact of the first two towers coming down... then it burned for hours and hours with no water for its sprinkler systems... do the math, you quacks.......
i love conspiratists... they make life so much more entertaining.

 

[RickWhite]

for someone with a pretty in depth knowledge of engineering, i find extraordinarily impossible to be able to wire a building (wt7) for covert demolition in the middle of NYC without having about 10km of wiring to tie all the damn explosives together...

any ranking member of the NYFD that was present on ground zero during the hours following the two initial collapses will tell you that wt7 was abandoned because it was deemed unsavable due to excessive structural damage. once the fires moved in it was a matter of time untill a catastrophic failure occurred.... i mean really people. and as far as a free fall collapse, you can see just how fast the first two towers fell when they suffered catastrophic failure of less than 10% of the integral structure. how long from impact to the first collapse? wt7 steel frame was fractured in multiple points from the concussion of the impact of the first two towers coming down... then it burned for hours and hours with no water for its sprinkler systems... do the math, you quacks.......
i love conspiratists... they make life so much more entertaining.

You forgot about the tons of explosives needed for a controled demo and the fact that the building started collapsing from the top.

They are just going to say that every point you have raised has been debunked without any support for this claim. That's what they do, just repeat false claims ad-infinitum.

 

[Wavels]

The thing that I find particularly irksome about the truthers is the underlying premise regarding the malignant evil they must perceive to be inherent in the US governmental fabric.

If, for one nanosecond, I believed that the American government could in any way be complicit in such an outrageous exercise of unbridled evil, I would leave her shores forever.

How one can believe the worst of a nation and yet willingly reside therein, is way beyond my comprehension.

 

[CrackerJax]

The thing that I find particularly irksome about the truthers is the underlying premise regarding the malignant evil they must perceive to be inherent in the US governmental fabric.

If, for one nanosecond, I believed that the American government could in any way be complicit in such an outrageous exercise of unbridled evil, I would leave her shores forever.

How one can believe the worst of a nation and yet willingly reside therein, is way beyond my comprehension.

That's a part of the psychological profile Wavels..... the insistent mistrust of authority, without good cause. Almost anything which reinforces their mistrust is locked onto with gusto. If it wasn't 9/11, it would be something else. The same ppl typically move from one conspiracy to another and/or hold multiple ones at the same time.

 

[masterd]

..... yeah but the whole point of all this is who gives a fuck, this forum isnt going to change peoples minds they go out and find info for themselves and come to your own conlusion.... i mean really you can believe whatever you want and i dont give a shit.... and it should be the other way 2


BTW wavels.... id get out, because even if the govt and its affiliates didnt have jack shit to do with 9/11.... theyve done shit pretty god damn bad in the past... anyway im unsubcribing now... enjoi...

 

[CrackerJax]

I have my escape plan all set, but I will always be an American patriot.

Wavels is correct in being dismayed by the lack of faith of 9/11 truthers.

It shows that society is breaking down.

 

[Katatawnic]

i love conspiratists... they make life so much more entertaining.

Indeed!

 

[doitinthewoods]

I have my escape plan all set, but I will always be an American patriot.

Wavels is correct in being dismayed by the lack of faith of 9/11 truthers.

It shows that society is breaking down.

I think it's more like waking up, but there is nothing wrong with feeling like you do. I use to feel the same way.

 

[CrackerJax]

I think it's more like waking up, but there is nothing wrong with feeling like you do. I use to feel the same way.

Well, psychology disagrees with you. Conspiracy minded ppl are loose cogs in the wheel. They gum up the works of normal society.

 

[maxamus1]

"prove me wrong" is the same non-argument used by those who try to prove that ufo's and ghosts exist and it is as nonsensical here as there. to refuse to believe it possible for a small sea of burning jet fuel to cause the same effect as the even placement of explosives designed to weaken a structure in just such a manner shows a certain conceit in the supremacy of those things man-made. what is an explosion but intense heat released all at once. is it so difficult to imagine that the same intense heat over a slightly longer period of time would have a similar effect?

i shy away from conversation concerning some conspiracy at the wtc simply because any conclusion will always be overshadowed by the fact that it is based solely on conjecture. a rational man would tend to winnow out the myriad theories by use of occam's razor, that the simplest answer is most likely true. does it make more sense that an intense fire could weaken a structure uniformly or that not only were explosive secreted throughout the building, but that no one involved would have uttered a word about such an abominable act? however; rational men seldom prevail in the world of the conspiracy theorist.

all i have to say to this is because i don't not believe what you do, or that my conclusion is different than yours i am not rational. where you have gone, or what you have done in life, or how you were brought up in life. has something to do with how you come to your conclusion. so because mine is not the same as yours i am small minded or not rational. ok way to prove your point.