CrackerJax
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Who's threatened by Islam? Christians.
Proof of the existence of an intelligent Creator and what His purpose of mankind is
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Babs34
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Nope CJ, EVERYONE.....or at least they should feel/know so.
Our country is running around with blindfolds on.
Most people have NO idea just how dangerous it is that we continue to open our doors in offering them the freedom to take advantage of our constitution.
Give it five years CJ.....you won't be able to help but notice by then.
Babs34
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BTW, sharia law has ALREADY been adopted in Britain.
Nope, islam's not a threat.......not at all.
CrackerJax
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Most moslems are peace and law abiding. Don't judge the religion by the wing nuts....they are a very small minority.
So you wish to filter immigration by religion? Think about what you are saying.....
So you wish to filter immigration by religion? Think about what you are saying.....
IAm5toned
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they said the same thing about the communists in the 50's
they were wrong then too...
what your proposing is macarthyism.
McCarthyism is the politically motivated practice of making accusations of disloyalty, subversion, or treason without proper regard for evidence.
its like saying a grey cat ate my stash.
therefore, all grey cats must be viewed as a threat.
grey cats should not be allowed in society because they are a threat.
they are evil!
there are grey cats all over the world, there must be an agenda... the grey cats want to eat everyones stash
we should go to war against the grey cats, now, before they eat anyone elses stash.
they were wrong then too...
what your proposing is macarthyism.
McCarthyism is the politically motivated practice of making accusations of disloyalty, subversion, or treason without proper regard for evidence.
its like saying a grey cat ate my stash.
therefore, all grey cats must be viewed as a threat.
grey cats should not be allowed in society because they are a threat.
they are evil!
there are grey cats all over the world, there must be an agenda... the grey cats want to eat everyones stash
we should go to war against the grey cats, now, before they eat anyone elses stash.
Babs34
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Hey Stoney. I'm trying to keep this simple. I'm aware of Chritianity's evil doings in the past.What can I say?It depends on who's telling the story whether or not Muhammed was such a terrible guy.From what I've read, he's no worse than any other military or religious leader throughout history.
However,Christianity is in no way better than Islam,because it has condoned slavery,rape, misogyny and genocide in the name of God as well.In the beginning,only the clergy was allowed to read the bible and interpret it to the congregation,they kept it in Latin.Sometime around the 1500's,I believe, it was translated for the common man.And BOY was the clergy pissed.
The church used to threaten with fire and brimstone...when that stopped being so effective,they tried the loving fuzzy Jesus.
Fact is, you burn in hell in Christianity, too.If you sin,if you are not baptized, if you leave the faith. Neither religion is better than the other.Christianity just happens to be what we have to deal with on a daily basis around here. And if the church could get away with burning people still, believe me, they would.
The entire time I've only spoken in terms of comparing Christ to Mohammad. Let's just pretend that you believe in Christ.......just for the sake of argument, LOL.
There is simply NO comparing the two......as individuals.
Christians are supposed to take to heart the words of Christ as muslims are to Mohammad.
The doctrine between the two are as opposite as opposite could possibly be.
If the church were still burning people.....I wouldn't be a Christian. You just can't find anywhere via the words of Christ to do so.........on the contrary.
BUT, you can find ALL SORTS of terrroristic orders to do that and more via the words of Mohammad in the book of hadiths.
Again, I'm focusing on simply that.
Mo, as compared to the teachings of Christ. The adjective "peace" will never come to mind when following Mohammad.
People just don't realize how much so UNTIL they actually read the quran/hadiths.
IAm5toned
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Have you read the old testament?Hey Stoney. I'm trying to keep this simple. I'm aware of Chritianity's evil doings in the past.
The entire time I've only spoken in terms of comparing Christ to Mohammad. Let's just pretend that you believe in Christ.......just for the sake of argument, LOL.
There is simply NO comparing the two......as individuals.
Christians are supposed to take to heart the words of Christ as muslims are to Mohammad.
The doctrine between the two are as opposite as opposite could possibly be.
If the church were still burning people.....I wouldn't be a Christian. You just can't find anywhere via the words of Christ to do so.........on the contrary.
BUT, you can find ALL SORTS of terrroristic orders to do that and more via the words of Mohammad in the book of hadiths.
Again, I'm focusing on simply that.
Mo, as compared to the teachings of Christ. The adjective "peace" will never come to mind when following Mohammad.
People just don't realize how much so UNTIL they actually read the quran/hadiths.
Babs34
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It's not that simple.....wish it were.
10 percent of extreme muslims worldwide on their jihad mission is NO LAUGHING JOKE. Recall, 1 out of 4 people in this WORLD ARE muslims.
Factor in that they are growing at an astronomical rate AND that they are demanding and/or incorporating their lifestyle/laws into dhimmi land.
Just think about it.
Tell me now.......where do you suppose this will lead?
Do you not understand that the "peaceful muslim" that you see WILL support ISLAMIZING the WORLD.
It is their DUTY.........and ordained via JIHAD.
And don't ever let a muslim tell you it means "personal struggle" either.
I own a quran....sent to me BY CAIR.
They don't hold back on what it means.
Note too that al taqiya (don't recall proper spelling) is ordained by allah TOO....LYING for the cause of islam's growth.....or about it.
CrackerJax
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Well, the way the USA works is, if enough moslems come to the usa or enough usa citizens convert to moslem to make it the dominant religion in USA society.... SO BE IT!!!
The US constitution was not set up to make Christianity dominant.
The US constitution was not set up to make Christianity dominant.
CrackerJax
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The state stays out of the church.
The church however, is trying to constantly inject itself into the state.
The church however, is trying to constantly inject itself into the state.
morgentaler
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Let's just be glad that most Christians aren't secure enough in their belief in heaven to blow themselves up and take out the secular government.
CrackerJax
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They haven't felt threatened..... yet. I think that is a forgone conclusion... if the Christian church felt real pressure..... the violence would be justified....
People are ppl.
People are ppl.
IAm5toned
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i understand the validity of your point, morgentaler.
maybes its just because i just burnt one but i tried to imagine what it would be like if christians were as devout as the extremist muslims.
i got a good laugh, because what came to mind was this:
can you imagine the church bulliten boards- Wed Night- Bombing For Jesus! Bring a friend, drinks and snacks will be served.
maybes its just because i just burnt one but i tried to imagine what it would be like if christians were as devout as the extremist muslims.
i got a good laugh, because what came to mind was this:
can you imagine the church bulliten boards- Wed Night- Bombing For Jesus! Bring a friend, drinks and snacks will be served.
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PadawanBater
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Hey Stoney. I'm trying to keep this simple. I'm aware of Chritianity's evil doings in the past.
The entire time I've only spoken in terms of comparing Christ to Mohammad. Let's just pretend that you believe in Christ.......just for the sake of argument, LOL.
There is simply NO comparing the two......as individuals.
Christians are supposed to take to heart the words of Christ as muslims are to Mohammad.
The doctrine between the two are as opposite as opposite could possibly be.
If the church were still burning people.....I wouldn't be a Christian. You just can't find anywhere via the words of Christ to do so.........on the contrary.
BUT, you can find ALL SORTS of terrroristic orders to do that and more via the words of Mohammad in the book of hadiths.
Again, I'm focusing on simply that.
Mo, as compared to the teachings of Christ. The adjective "peace" will never come to mind when following Mohammad.
People just don't realize how much so UNTIL they actually read the quran/hadiths.
You sit there and dudge Islam while without ever accepting the exact same accusations about Christianity from the atheist.
Do I have to go gather up dozens of passages directly from the Bible about how God or Jesus said, did or commanded other people to do terrible things? You keep asking for it, I know where to find it, so do you really want to see it, or are you just saying you want to see it, regardless of if it exists or not because you believe it doesn't because you've (assumingly) only read the Bible with your Christian blinders on and missed it the first time around.
Or are you going to be just like a typical fundie? I post the evidence, right there in black and white, then you dismiss it as somehow "justified" or good because it was God or Jesus who was doing it...
Give me a fuckin' break Babs...
"Islam is terrible, look at all the terrible stuff Muslims do, they're ordered from their God to kill everyone whose not Muslim!"
"Christianity is terrible, they bomb abortion clinics and murder drs., they're ordered from their God to spread the good word of Christ and dehumanize anyone who doesn't buy into it, it poisons minds and frankly, makes people stupid"
I wouldn't let a believer take care of a pet... I think my pet could probably get along just fine without em...
Stoney McFried
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Well...here are some quotes from 'gentle' Jesus.
"Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a mans enemies will be the members of his household. He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it." (Matthew 10:34-39 NASB)
" 49 I have come to cast fire upon the earth; and how I wish it were already kindled! 50 But I have a baptism* to undergo, and how distressed I am until it is accomplished! 51 Do you suppose that I came to grant peace on earth? I tell you, no, but rather division; 52 for from now on five members in one household will be divided, three against two and two against three. 53 They will be divided, father* against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law. (Luke12:49-53)
[Jesus] made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple area, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables.
Which is more violent, the Bible or the Quran?
Which is more violent, the Bible or the Quran? Is there a way to objectively answer such a question?
Well, it wouldn't be easy. But it is possible to compare the amount of cruelty and violence in the two books. Here is a summary of the highlighted verses in the SAB and SAQ.
Number of Cruel or Violent Passages Bible 842 Quran 333
So the Bible has more than twice as many cruel or violent passages as does the Quran. But the Bible is a much bigger book. How do they compare when size is taken into account?
Violence and Cruelty Total verses Percent Bible 842 31102 2.71 Quran 333 6236 5.34
When expressed as a percentage of cruel or violent verses (at least as marked in the SAB/Q), the Quran has about twice that of the Bible. (5.34 vs. 2.71%)*
Of course this analysis does not consider the extent of the cruelty in the marked passages. And that is an important consideration. Is Numbers 31:14-18, for example, more cruel than Quran 5:34? That is something that each person must decide.
A good argument could be made that either book is the most violent and cruel book ever written. The award would go to one or the other, for neither has any close competitors. It is frightening to think that more than half of the world's population believes in one or the other.
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/bible_quran.html
"Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a mans enemies will be the members of his household. He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it." (Matthew 10:34-39 NASB)
" 49 I have come to cast fire upon the earth; and how I wish it were already kindled! 50 But I have a baptism* to undergo, and how distressed I am until it is accomplished! 51 Do you suppose that I came to grant peace on earth? I tell you, no, but rather division; 52 for from now on five members in one household will be divided, three against two and two against three. 53 They will be divided, father* against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law. (Luke12:49-53)
[Jesus] made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple area, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables.
John 2:15
And this is pretty interesting.
Which is more violent, the Bible or the Quran?
Which is more violent, the Bible or the Quran? Is there a way to objectively answer such a question?
Well, it wouldn't be easy. But it is possible to compare the amount of cruelty and violence in the two books. Here is a summary of the highlighted verses in the SAB and SAQ.
Number of Cruel or Violent Passages Bible 842 Quran 333
So the Bible has more than twice as many cruel or violent passages as does the Quran. But the Bible is a much bigger book. How do they compare when size is taken into account?
Violence and Cruelty Total verses Percent Bible 842 31102 2.71 Quran 333 6236 5.34
When expressed as a percentage of cruel or violent verses (at least as marked in the SAB/Q), the Quran has about twice that of the Bible. (5.34 vs. 2.71%)*
Of course this analysis does not consider the extent of the cruelty in the marked passages. And that is an important consideration. Is Numbers 31:14-18, for example, more cruel than Quran 5:34? That is something that each person must decide.
A good argument could be made that either book is the most violent and cruel book ever written. The award would go to one or the other, for neither has any close competitors. It is frightening to think that more than half of the world's population believes in one or the other.
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/bible_quran.html
Hey Stoney. I'm trying to keep this simple. I'm aware of Chritianity's evil doings in the past.
The entire time I've only spoken in terms of comparing Christ to Mohammad. Let's just pretend that you believe in Christ.......just for the sake of argument, LOL.
There is simply NO comparing the two......as individuals.
Christians are supposed to take to heart the words of Christ as muslims are to Mohammad.
The doctrine between the two are as opposite as opposite could possibly be.
If the church were still burning people.....I wouldn't be a Christian. You just can't find anywhere via the words of Christ to do so.........on the contrary.
BUT, you can find ALL SORTS of terrroristic orders to do that and more via the words of Mohammad in the book of hadiths.
Again, I'm focusing on simply that.
Mo, as compared to the teachings of Christ. The adjective "peace" will never come to mind when following Mohammad.
People just don't realize how much so UNTIL they actually read the quran/hadiths.
krustofskie
Well-Known Member
No it has not. There are cases of Sharia courts within the Muslim communities, but these have no sway over legal matters. Only within the confines of their own communities does sharia law operate, to a very small extent as it would not be allowed to contradict the law of the land and if the persons involved wished they would not have to abide by the Sharia courts decisions, which may lead them to be shunned by their own community, but would have no legal ramifications and it would not be legally recognised in a real court of law. The law of the land prevails, not small communities.BTW, sharia law has ALREADY been adopted in Britain.
Nope, islam's not a threat.......not at all.
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PadawanBater
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Not to mention if you think something like Sharia Law could be passed in an American court system, you're fuckin' dreaming pal.
Babs34
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Look, I've tried to be nice PandaRAT, but enough with your BS......stifle it......or show your proof of Christ speaking such CRAP.
.....Enough with the stupidity.YOU CANNOT COMPARE THE TWO.........DEAL WITH THE "facts" ....oh brilliant atheist, LOL. The only threads I've ever seen you post on you are acting like a madman...CHILL OUT!!!
I'm not trying to take you to Christ, just to open your damn blind eyes......but you have eyes CLOSED.
You are so determined to hate Christians, hate Christ......hate the GOODNESS of His teachings.......so be it. You are just plain HATEFUL......period.
This ALL started because YOU said that Christians were SCARIER than muslims.
It's dhimmis like you that will bring this country down.
"Christianity is terrible, they bomb abortion clinics and murder drs., they're ordered from their God to spread the good word of Christ and dehumanize anyone who doesn't buy into it, it poisons minds and frankly, makes people stupid"
Yeah "p"......QOUTE THOSE VICIOUS WORDS OF CHRIST WHEREAS HE TELLS HIS FOLLOWERS TO KILL IN HIS NAME.........good luck. For the record, no such thing.....it's all about PROBABILITY.......but you wouldn't know about that.
