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PadawanBater
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Rick, it is obvious to me why you hold some of the opinions you do. You essentially stole Dennis Prager's opinion completely. It seems like you didn't think about what he said one bit, you just went and found something that said "the US is always right, and everyone else is always wrong, no matter what!"... What does Wikipedia have to say about Mr. Prager?...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Prager
"Dennis Prager (born August 2, 1940 )is an American syndicated radio talk show host, columnist, author, ethicist, and public speaker. He is noted for conservative political views frequently based in religious faith and for his critique of secularism in the 20th century.
...but that's not biased... His opinion is probably straight as an arrow... totally Fair and Balanced, right?
Then you accuse everyone else of doing this shit I just caught you doing yourself; reading some completely politicized piece, siding with the intended preconceived opinion the author of the piece wanted you to side with in the first fuckin' place... Jesus fucking Christ this shit is so glaringly obvious to everyone BUT YOU.
You're too stupid to get past the notion that the US government might not hold your best interest as their first priority. You won't even consider it, or that we've ever done anything wrong. That's some seriously egotistical meat-head shit right there Rick. Do you ever do any introspection? Probably not, as you fancy yourself perfect in every way possible right?
Of course you'd want some propoganda shit like that to be a "manditory read in schools. Especially Collages and Universities."
Only thing about that is that people pursuing a higher education tend to side with liberal policies, you know, the people who do the thinking and teaching..
Neither one of you understands what the word bigot is, as you've shown in previous threads. Especially you Jeff. Remember in that religious thread where you were calling me a bigot against Christians and I said I was a bigot against ignorance (which included all religions), and Christianity just happens to soak that shit up like a sponge? Same deal here. Red explained it pretty well;
and don't even begin to parallel the US and Israel as being a force of good in the world, because Israel doesn't even deserve the right to shine America's shoes......
and guess what?? the entire world was against Israel slaughtering the Palestinians because they were wrong, the jews won't admit it though.... that land was originally a Palestinian place, and the palestines are willing to negotiate a treaty that will create a dual-state, that can co-exist in peace.... but Israel is too greedy, they want that land for themselves, history will not be kind to them..... yet you blindly defend them as 'decent'....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Prager
"Dennis Prager (born August 2, 1940 )is an American syndicated radio talk show host, columnist, author, ethicist, and public speaker. He is noted for conservative political views frequently based in religious faith and for his critique of secularism in the 20th century.
...but that's not biased... His opinion is probably straight as an arrow... totally Fair and Balanced, right?
Then you accuse everyone else of doing this shit I just caught you doing yourself; reading some completely politicized piece, siding with the intended preconceived opinion the author of the piece wanted you to side with in the first fuckin' place... Jesus fucking Christ this shit is so glaringly obvious to everyone BUT YOU.
You're too stupid to get past the notion that the US government might not hold your best interest as their first priority. You won't even consider it, or that we've ever done anything wrong. That's some seriously egotistical meat-head shit right there Rick. Do you ever do any introspection? Probably not, as you fancy yourself perfect in every way possible right?
Of course you'd want some propoganda shit like that to be a "manditory read in schools. Especially Collages and Universities."
Only thing about that is that people pursuing a higher education tend to side with liberal policies, you know, the people who do the thinking and teaching..
Neither one of you understands what the word bigot is, as you've shown in previous threads. Especially you Jeff. Remember in that religious thread where you were calling me a bigot against Christians and I said I was a bigot against ignorance (which included all religions), and Christianity just happens to soak that shit up like a sponge? Same deal here. Red explained it pretty well;
and don't even begin to parallel the US and Israel as being a force of good in the world, because Israel doesn't even deserve the right to shine America's shoes......
and guess what?? the entire world was against Israel slaughtering the Palestinians because they were wrong, the jews won't admit it though.... that land was originally a Palestinian place, and the palestines are willing to negotiate a treaty that will create a dual-state, that can co-exist in peace.... but Israel is too greedy, they want that land for themselves, history will not be kind to them..... yet you blindly defend them as 'decent'....
jeff f
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so give them the land and they will stop lobbing bombs into isreal? only problem with that is they (hezbollah) says it wont stop. hmmm what to do now?
your theory is not supported by any actions that the palistinians have done or stated. pretty much divorced from reality.
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PadawanBater
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It's Israels way or the highway, they've got the bigger guns, so why should it be any other way?
It's the American way!
CrackerJax
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No, it's about NOT giving in to terrorism. You seem to adopt terrorism if it fits ur world view. I don't condone terrorism in any fashion.
It's wrong and should NEVER be rewarded.
It's wrong and should NEVER be rewarded.
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PadawanBater
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How unbelievably ironic of a statement for someone who supports the occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan to make.
...except when Israel commits terrorism.
...except when the United States commits terrorism.
CrackerJax
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The USA did not commit terrorism.
you're woefully misinformed.
you're woefully misinformed.
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PadawanBater
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The United States government has never commited terrorism?
Is that the claim you're making?
jeff f
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by your definition of terrorism or the actual definition of terrorism?
by yours, pretty much all i have to do is wake up and put gas in my truck, heat my house, run a business, make a profit and employ people. BAM i am a terrorist.
by the real meaning of the word? not so much.
almost forgot, if i go to church then that makes me a terrorist real fast in your bubble of a world.
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Illegal Smile
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LOL! jeff f has been kicking butts and taking names around here!
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PadawanBater
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Terrorism
-the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.
-the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
-a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.
One in the same Jeff.
The United States and Israeli governments are guilty of terrorism.
Do I need to supply you with links to deny?
CrackerJax
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S: (n) terrorism, act of terrorism, terrorist act (the calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear)
CIVILIANS ... u CONVENIENTLY left that one out. That puts it back into the CORRECT perspective.
Israel and the USA just dropped off the list.
Who's left?
CIVILIANS ... u CONVENIENTLY left that one out. That puts it back into the CORRECT perspective.
Israel and the USA just dropped off the list.
Who's left?
jeff f
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S: (n) terrorism, act of terrorism, terrorist act (the calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear)
CIVILIANS ... u CONVENIENTLY left that one out. That puts it back into the CORRECT perspective.
Israel and the USA just dropped off the list.
Who's left?
here is another.
Terrorism is the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion.[1] At present, there is no internationally agreed definition of terrorism.[2][3] Common definitions of terrorism refer only to those violent acts which are intended to create fear (terror), are perpetrated for an ideological goal (as opposed to a lone attack), and deliberately target or disregard the safety of non-combatants.
you're not giving in to 'terrorism' you have created a myth called 'terrorism' while you don't even know what it is...
what the palestinians are doing is not terrorism, they are fighting for their land.... it's patriotism.... israel continues to defy the UN pact that created them, and settle in palestinian lands, and the UN remains silent.... and nobody speaks up for them, because you label them as 'terrorists'... you even call me a bigot because I see the reality as it is for the whole world, except in the US and Britain, where the word anti-semite gets tossed around more than ceasar salads at olive garden... it's even tossed around here!!!.... the media machine in the US is very well-oiled... keep watching fox news!!!!
what the palestinians are doing is not terrorism, they are fighting for their land.... it's patriotism.... israel continues to defy the UN pact that created them, and settle in palestinian lands, and the UN remains silent.... and nobody speaks up for them, because you label them as 'terrorists'... you even call me a bigot because I see the reality as it is for the whole world, except in the US and Britain, where the word anti-semite gets tossed around more than ceasar salads at olive garden... it's even tossed around here!!!.... the media machine in the US is very well-oiled... keep watching fox news!!!!
Haul me to Heaven
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It's kind of fun to watch! A battle of wit and witless. Waiting for the real smack down to begin!!!
jeff f
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Haul me to Heaven
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Cha Ching!!!
Let the count begin!!
+rep for jeff f!
Let the count begin!!
+rep for jeff f!
CrackerJax
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Uhhh, in case you guys haven't figured it out yet ... Red's a bigot. Not well informed either.
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PadawanBater
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so lobbing bombs into random neighorhoods, thats NOT terrorism?
Absolutely terrorism.
climbig on a bus with a bomb straped to you chest, that is NOT terrorism?
Yep, that's terrorism right there too.
sending children too school and then remotely detonating the child, thats NOT terrorism?
Yeah, that would count as terrorism as well... but I've never heard that one before... can't really imagine a parent sending their own kid off as a bomb... that's pretty damn twisted, even for someone truly fucked up.
but the jewish guy who kills the man responsible for the above actions, he IS a terrorist?
is this how you define terrorist? thought so.
OK look, I've identified the problem. I've suspected this for a while after a few exchanges with Cracker in the Iran Update thread. You guys think the Palestinian action against Israel is an attack, and Israel is just responding accordingly. We think the Palestinian action against Israel is a reaction to the Israeli action against the Arab citizens bordering Israel, as well as action by Hamas and Hezbollah. Blockades, embargos, sanctions... Israel keeps it so the Arab population barely survives, the terrorist organizations were formed in opposition to this authority, and democratically elected into office for the case of Hamas.
Everyone against Israel uses terrorism, I fully admit this, and DO NOT SUPPORT IT. Like you guys said too, we're all against random acts of terrorism against innocent civilians, that's bullshit, they have no part in any of it and are simply innocent casualties because of the circumstances of their existence. But I don't count any one civilians life worth more than another, a dead Palistianian is just as bad as a dead Israeli, just as bad as a dead Iraqi, or just as bad as a dead Italian... nationality doesn't matter. We are all innocent civilians.
That being said, I believe Israel is also guilty of using terrorism against it's bordering neighbors. I would really hope you guys would agree with this, or at the very least acknowledge this much; Israel has BILLIONS of dollars, it's the most well off country in the region (with exception to Saudi Arabia) and has plenty of big guns and well trained people who know how to use them. Every conflict they enter, the outcome is appalling. Hundreds, if not thousands of dead civilians in whatever nation was unlucky enough to be that particular terrorist organizations flavor of the week with minimal losses on Israel's side. They use the huge weapons and go in full force without regard to the civilian population, and we see what happens, every time. This stuff is terrorism guys. How can you say it's not?
Absolutely terrorism.
climbig on a bus with a bomb straped to you chest, that is NOT terrorism?
Yep, that's terrorism right there too.
sending children too school and then remotely detonating the child, thats NOT terrorism?
Yeah, that would count as terrorism as well... but I've never heard that one before... can't really imagine a parent sending their own kid off as a bomb... that's pretty damn twisted, even for someone truly fucked up.
but the jewish guy who kills the man responsible for the above actions, he IS a terrorist?
is this how you define terrorist? thought so.
OK look, I've identified the problem. I've suspected this for a while after a few exchanges with Cracker in the Iran Update thread. You guys think the Palestinian action against Israel is an attack, and Israel is just responding accordingly. We think the Palestinian action against Israel is a reaction to the Israeli action against the Arab citizens bordering Israel, as well as action by Hamas and Hezbollah. Blockades, embargos, sanctions... Israel keeps it so the Arab population barely survives, the terrorist organizations were formed in opposition to this authority, and democratically elected into office for the case of Hamas.
Everyone against Israel uses terrorism, I fully admit this, and DO NOT SUPPORT IT. Like you guys said too, we're all against random acts of terrorism against innocent civilians, that's bullshit, they have no part in any of it and are simply innocent casualties because of the circumstances of their existence. But I don't count any one civilians life worth more than another, a dead Palistianian is just as bad as a dead Israeli, just as bad as a dead Iraqi, or just as bad as a dead Italian... nationality doesn't matter. We are all innocent civilians.
That being said, I believe Israel is also guilty of using terrorism against it's bordering neighbors. I would really hope you guys would agree with this, or at the very least acknowledge this much; Israel has BILLIONS of dollars, it's the most well off country in the region (with exception to Saudi Arabia) and has plenty of big guns and well trained people who know how to use them. Every conflict they enter, the outcome is appalling. Hundreds, if not thousands of dead civilians in whatever nation was unlucky enough to be that particular terrorist organizations flavor of the week with minimal losses on Israel's side. They use the huge weapons and go in full force without regard to the civilian population, and we see what happens, every time. This stuff is terrorism guys. How can you say it's not?
CrackerJax
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No, the Palestinian action is the terrorism.
Get it straight.
Israel RESPONDS, it doesn't initiate the attacks ... big difference.
Israel takes great strides in protecting its CIVILIAN population. Palestine does NOT, it does the opposite. It attacks FROM civilian centers and then hides in tunnels and keeps the civilians ABOVE ground to rack up casualties and sympathy from naive folks like urself (or bigots, but I'll give U the benefit of the doubt).
It's a deadly game of public manipulation. One U have fallen for 100%
Get it straight.
Israel RESPONDS, it doesn't initiate the attacks ... big difference.
Israel takes great strides in protecting its CIVILIAN population. Palestine does NOT, it does the opposite. It attacks FROM civilian centers and then hides in tunnels and keeps the civilians ABOVE ground to rack up casualties and sympathy from naive folks like urself (or bigots, but I'll give U the benefit of the doubt).
It's a deadly game of public manipulation. One U have fallen for 100%