CIA takes a hit in Afghanistan

[ruderalis88]

I don't want to get into this 'whether the US should be in Afghanistan or not' deal, but to hark back to the original post, those CIA members died because they went to war. That's what happens in wars, opposing sides attack each other and try to cause more deaths than they concede. I don't approve of the situation, but getting upset because some of the military die is logically the same as running across a busy road blindfolded and then getting upset if you get hit by a car.

The thing that scunners me is that the bomber just walked into the base, he was supposedly 'on side' with the Americans but clearly defected. Why has the intelligence been so poor recently?

For what it's worth, I believe that both sides in this war are wrong.
The deaths of those American CIA agents who died, in terms of grief and sorrow, are not more valuable than the lives of the Taliban or whoever else America has killed. It's a war. You go to war, you might get killed. That's how it works.

 

[doc111]

I don't want to get into this 'whether the US should be in Afghanistan or not' deal, but to hark back to the original post, those CIA members died because they went to war. That's what happens in wars, opposing sides attack each other and try to cause more deaths than they concede. I don't approve of the situation, but getting upset because some of the military die is logically the same as running across a busy road blindfolded and then getting upset if you get hit by a car.

The thing that scunners me is that the bomber just walked into the base, he was supposedly 'on side' with the Americans but clearly defected. Why has the intelligence been so poor recently?

For what it's worth, I believe that both sides in this war are wrong.
The deaths of those American CIA agents who died, in terms of grief and sorrow, are not more valuable than the lives of the Taliban or whoever else America has killed. It's a war. You go to war, you might get killed. That's how it works.

I agree with most of what you said. What I take issue with is people coming on here saying they are "happy" or that "those CIA guys got what they deserved." And these are the same people who are pissed about us killing terrorists. Go figure.

Any warrior understands the risks of combat before he commits himself to the cause. That's not the issue here.

 

[Big P]

I don't want to get into this 'whether the US should be in Afghanistan or not' deal, but to hark back to the original post, those CIA members died because they went to war. That's what happens in wars, opposing sides attack each other and try to cause more deaths than they concede. I don't approve of the situation, but getting upset because some of the military die is logically the same as running across a busy road blindfolded and then getting upset if you get hit by a car.

The thing that scunners me is that the bomber just walked into the base, he was supposedly 'on side' with the Americans but clearly defected. Why has the intelligence been so poor recently?

For what it's worth, I believe that both sides in this war are wrong.
The deaths of those American CIA agents who died, in terms of grief and sorrow, are not more valuable than the lives of the Taliban or whoever else America has killed. It's a war. You go to war, you might get killed. That's how it works.

people who are angry in this thread are not angry because the soilders died we are angry because some treasonous americans in this thread have basically said they applaude thier deaths of thier own countrymen

the bomber was not a defector its the opposite they were grooming this guy to turn on his side the taliban,

the fools did not search him for some real stupid reason and he got them in a very successful sneak attack

same style sneak attack as they did when they blew up the northern alliances leader mahmood, the day before they snuck us on 9/11

the northern alliance are the afghan freedom fighters the taliban is an oppressive ruthless gang who want to enslave the people the way they see fit

 

[doc111]

people who are angry in this thread are not angry because the soilders died we are angry because some treasonous americans in this thread have basically said they applaude thier deaths of thier own countrymen

the bomber was not a defector its the opposite they were grooming this guy to turn on his side the taliban,

the fools did not search him for some real stupid reason and he got them in a very successful sneak attack

same style sneak attack as they did when they blew up the northern alliances leader mahmood, the day before they snuck us on 9/11

the northern alliance are the afghan freedom fighters the taliban is an oppressive ruthless gang who want to enslave the people the way they see fit

I don't understand why this is so hard for people to figure out.

 

[ruderalis88]

people who are angry in this thread are not angry because the soilders died we are angry because some treasonous americans in this thread have basically said they applaude thier deaths of thier own countrymen

i'm no expert, but isn't part of the point of the USA that people are allowed to have their own opinions and freedom of expression and all that? whether they're unamerican or not?

i'm not from the states but i could think of a pretty long list of people from my own country who i'd rather see dead, but i'm absolutely no traitor.

is it that you think every american citizen is automatically a good person and should be revered, particularly in death? surely then you would think highly of those who oppose you in this thread?

i respect your obvious passion for your country, and presumably its military, but i remain curious about some of the technicalities of patriotism

 

[ruderalis88]

I don't understand why this is so hard for people to figure out.

it's just not common knowledge, most people who comment on the subject (from either side) neither fully understand nor are fully aware of all the different parties involved, or how any of them influence the others. i'd blame the media, but i think most things are their fault.

bit of a shame really, it ruins the potential for proper debate and things dissolve into mud slinging pretty quickly

 

[Big P]

i'm no expert, but isn't part of the point of the USA that people are allowed to have their own opinions and freedom of expression and all that? whether they're unamerican or not?

i'm not from the states but i could think of a pretty long list of people from my own country who i'd rather see dead, but i'm absolutely no traitor.

is it that you think every american citizen is automatically a good person and should be revered, particularly in death? surely then you would think highly of those who oppose you in this thread?

i respect your obvious passion for your country, and presumably its military, but i remain curious about some of the technicalities of patriotism

thats why we post here to state our opinions, he stated his and I rebut


i think its wrong to dance on the grave of our soilders and operators who risk thier lives and die for the country where my family resides and for a 100% nobal cause which a great many try to skew and spin it into somthing unjust


nothing is perfect

follow your gut, to me it seems to me is one wishs death upon his own countrymen they may not be living in the right country

maybe they would be happier somwhere else?

 

[doc111]

i'm no expert, but isn't part of the point of the USA that people are allowed to have their own opinions and freedom of expression and all that? whether they're unamerican or not?

i'm not from the states but i could think of a pretty long list of people from my own country who i'd rather see dead, but i'm absolutely no traitor.

is it that you think every american citizen is automatically a good person and should be revered, particularly in death? surely then you would think highly of those who oppose you in this thread?

i respect your obvious passion for your country, and presumably its military, but i remain curious about some of the technicalities of patriotism

Yes but it is also the right of the opposing side to voice their opposition.

it's just not common knowledge, most people who comment on the subject (from either side) neither fully understand nor are fully aware of all the different parties involved, or how any of them influence the others. i'd blame the media, but i think most things are their fault.

bit of a shame really, it ruins the potential for proper debate and things dissolve into mud slinging pretty quickly

That's why most people stay away from discussions on politics and religion.

 

[doc111]

thats why we post here to state our opinions, he stated his and I rebut


i think its wrong to dance on the grave of our soilders and operators who risk thier lives and die for the country where my family resides and for a 100% nobal cause which a great many try to skew and spin it into somthing unjust


nothing is perfect

follow your gut, to me it seems to me is one wishs death upon his own countrymen they may not be living in the right country

maybe they would be happier somwhere else?

And I totally agree with this post. Rarely do I agree with everything a person says but..........this is one of those times. America is Far from perfect, believe me. Some of the shit going on here makes me sick. But I still love my country. And I certainly don't want to see anybody get killed.

 

[budsmoker87]

And I totally agree with this post. Rarely do I agree with everything a person says but..........this is one of those times. America is Far from perfect, believe me. Some of the shit going on here makes me sick. But I still love my country. And I certainly don't want to see anybody get killed.

i agree with u, as well as the post at the top of this page. i think both sides are very wrong for fighting these wars...i just think america was wrong first, for IMO instigating this war

 

[Big P]

i agree with u, as well as the post at the top of this page. i think both sides are very wrong for fighting these wars...i just think america was wrong first, for IMO instigating this war

you say we instigated it but fail to state how

 

[ruderalis88]

thats why we post here to state our opinions, he stated his and I rebut


i think its wrong to dance on the grave of our soilders and operators who risk thier lives and die for the country where my family resides and for a 100% nobal cause which a great many try to skew and spin it into somthing unjust


nothing is perfect

follow your gut, to me it seems to me is one wishs death upon his own countrymen they may not be living in the right country

maybe they would be happier somwhere else?

fair points.

i love my country well, my gut belongs here, but as you point out nothing is perfect and i recognise her faults.

i don't actually want all my fellow countrymen to die, but there are certainly a fair few of them without whom the rest of us would be doing far better

Yes but it is also the right of the opposing side to voice their opposition.

That's why most people stay away from discussions on politics and religion.

true, most people stay away, but i all too often find that the uninformed flock to use the RIU forums as battlefields


spliffs all round, lads

 

[budsmoker87]

you say we instigated it but fail to state how

go read my 2nd post...i stated EXACTLY why

 

[cackpircings]

The SS were also just doing their job.
They also had families.

The police that bust pot smokers are just doing their job. families? check.
The Khmer Rouge were just doing their jobs. families? check.
the Turks committing genocide against the Armenians and the Greeks were just doing their jobs.
Custard killing Amerindians was just doing his job.

Jeffery Dahmer had a family.

For one the SS were out killing Jews senselessly, and two; CIA are seasoned individuals that have excelled too become what they are. Loosing guys like this is bad news for all of us. Terrorism is real, and that is what people need to wake up to. There are actually people that feel they need to spread their idealization and hate you and me because we are westerners. They feel that we are heathens and are against what they stand for. I have seen these people first hand and the shit I would hear I still have bad dreams about. So you can go about talking your Anti-American propagandist bull shit and be blind to the real world, and continue to preach your Google educated information to all the other 17 year olds on the site, but trust me if one of them hand to ass whipping sand niggers ever got a hold of you they would cut your head right the fuck off in the name of Muhammad and than what would your sorry ass have to say? It’s not the whole bunch of Muslims, but a very small sect of the religion, but that is what makes this whole situation hard. We don’t know who is good and who is bad. The middle east has needed help for a long time and it’s about time big brother stepped in.

 

[Big P]

go read my 2nd post...i stated EXACTLY why

because we have bases all over the world?

thats why al queda attacked us?

thats not why they said they attacked us


its about power, they are mad we are friends whith thier arab enemies the arabs who want peace and prosparity the saudi kingdom is one o them

the extremists are mad that we help our peacful friends in the middle east which inturn gives thier enemies (the saudi government) great power to prevent the extreamests from overtaking the peacful arabs and taking control of the middle east with more tyranny and suffering across the land vengence and slaughter

 

[jeff f]

Do you even know what you're talking about? The only people who don't want us there are the Taliban and Al Qaeda. If you are American you should be ashamed. I'll buy you and medman both tickets to Afghanistan or whatever mideast shithole you guys want to go to............since you both obviously hate America so much.

i will pitch in for ticks for these guys.

 

[jeff f]

I'm with Jeff f on this one..........why do you hate America so much medman? If you hate America and all it stands for so much why do you stay? Why not just go on over to Afghanistan, or Pakistan, or Yemen, or Iraq, or Iran? I agree with you on one point, there are some fucked up policies we're promoting. The system is indeed broken but that's no reason to hate one's own country. I know you are a veteran as am I, and it makes me ashamed to associate myself with someone so opposed to our way of life. Those pricks started this shit and I say we hammer it to them for as long as it takes.[/QUOTE
You just don't get it. I love my country. I just don't love the way our secret police, CIA, NSA, FBI etc go around the world and at home killing and torturing people for the corporations. I think most of those on the right really can't see this phenomenom. If they would open their eyes, they would realize I am a patriot and what I really want is for America to live up to it's potential and be the leader it should be. Imperialism only benefits the rich, it certainly does nothing for the commoner. Please tell me how making someone elses country "better" meaning opening it up to the corporations for trade, etc, will benefit me. I say those CIA pukes torture and kill Afghans and actually enjoy it. Those Mercs., be them private or our government employes are demented killers, paid killers. If we took all those idiots out of foriegn countries and stopped stirring shit all over the planet, maybe there would be a chance for peace. As it stands, there is no chance in hell of ever having peace. This is the war planet, period. fuck them and fuck all of you who support them and war.

med i like you and would someday like to hav a beer with you . you believe in what you are sayiing. you guys keep us honest and viceversa. i belive you are a patriot, no doubt. we have different ways of getting there but we both want the same thing. of course you are wrong and i am right but i respect you. its the other 20 yr olds who drive me fn nuts.

 

[tebor]

For one the SS were out killing Jews senselessly, and two; CIA are seasoned individuals that have excelled too become what they are. Loosing guys like this is bad news for all of us. Terrorism is real, and that is what people need to wake up to. There are actually people that feel they need to spread their idealization and hate you and me because we are westerners. They feel that we are heathens and are against what they stand for. I have seen these people first hand and the shit I would hear I still have bad dreams about. So you can go about talking your Anti-American propagandist bull shit and be blind to the real world, and continue to preach your Google educated information to all the other 17 year olds on the site, but trust me if one of them hand to ass whipping sand niggers ever got a hold of you they would cut your head right the fuck off in the name of Muhammad and than what would your sorry ass have to say? It’s not the whole bunch of Muslims, but a very small sect of the religion, but that is what makes this whole situation hard. We don’t know who is good and who is bad. The middle east has needed help for a long time and it’s about time big brother stepped in.

lolz.
you assume more than you comprehend

you did a good job at personal attack.
but failed to make a coherent point.

 

[tebor]

the taliban is an oppressive ruthless gang who want to enslave the people the way they see fit

D.C. doesn't like competition.

 

[speedyseedz]

med i like you and would someday like to hav a beer with you . you believe in what you are sayiing. you guys keep us honest and viceversa. i belive you are a patriot, no doubt. we have different ways of getting there but we both want the same thing. of course you are wrong and i am right but i respect you. its the other 20 yr olds who drive me fn nuts.

I think the term patriot is somewhat misused.

Don't take this wrong, or as a personal attack on you, because its not in any shape.

But shouldn't patriots be, how an american, feels about his neighbours, his county, his state and all the people in it, proud to be where he is, with the lifestyle he has. Proud to drive an american car, eat american produce.

Unfortunately though, a handful of men, that everyone looks at as america, decided that patriotism, was loving your government without question.

Most of the world now looks at america with a bad taste in their mouth, but they are not looking at the backbone of america, the thing that keeps it running and the heart and soul that is every single american citizen. They look at a selection of a few hundred high powered men, that have never lived in the real world., and they see what these people do, and how they get involved in everyones lives across the globe.

It's good to love your country, it's good to be patriotic i just think that message gets confused sometimes.