CIA takes a hit in Afghanistan

[jeff f]

Nothing wrong with being opinionated but seriously, everybody thinks that THEY are more open to things. I agree with you that the govt. is fucked up but is more govt. the answer? I tend to think it's the problem. I'm all with you on eliminating govt. agencies which aren't working too. History should be our teacher. When govts get too big and have too much influence in its citizens' lives it's never a good thing. We are losing liberties at an alarming rate and some of the things you mention are doorways to more govt. control in our lives. I would like to see healthcare fixed but how can you justify govt. control when you don't even trust your own country to defend you. You hate the military, you hate the CIA. How can you like the idea of govt controlling your healthcare? You are a very confusing individual.

i have to agree, he is confused

but i will give it to him, his beliefs guide him. he isnt like a couple others in here who are just a bunch of american hating dicks. they havent even thought out their positions but parrot talking points of other american hating dicks. med gets beyond the talking points and into the intellect of the arguments.

dont get me wrong, he is still way fucking wrong but i give him credit

 

[CrackerJax]

I'm hardly a conservative. The only times I may appear that way is when we discuss economics. Liberals have none that are based on sound principles. Liberals have no working successful model to point to as an example.

I just call them the way it is ... not as I wish it to be.

I agree with most liberals on social issues. I disagree with most liberals on how to pay for it. Their methodology is wrong, but not their intent.

I'm certainly not a Conservative. Wishing the country the best chance at success is not the standard is it? Explaining the best routes, so that all have an economic chance at prosperity isn't the standard is it? Believing that our country was well founded by honest and pretty smart men isn't the standard is it?

There's been a lot of FOLLY and CORRUPTION this past year, so I can see why some hard feelings have developed.

But not by me. I've always have a smile ... Prepare urself economically for the coming storm, and believe me it is coming folks, you haven't seen anything yet. The bills haven't been sent in the mail yet, but it's beginning this year.

So no gain, but wait, there's plenty of pain..... it's coming. prepare urself, if you can.

 

[Big P]

I'm hardly a conservative. The only times I may appear that way is when we discuss economics. Liberals have none that are based on sound principles. Liberals have no working successful model to point to as an example.

I just call them the way it is ... not as I wish it to be.

I agree with most liberals on social issues. I disagree with most liberals on how to pay for it. Their methodology is wrong, but not their intent.

I'm certainly not a Conservative. Wishing the country the best chance at success is not the standard is it? Explaining the best routes, so that all have an economic chance at prosperity isn't the standard is it? Believing that our country was well founded by honest and pretty smart men isn't the standard is it?

There's been a lot of FOLLY and CORRUPTION this past year, so I can see why some hard feelings have developed.

But not by me. I've always have a smile ... Prepare urself economically for the coming storm, and believe me it is coming folks, you haven't seen anything yet. The bills haven't been sent in the mail yet, but it's beginning this year.

So no gain, but wait, there's plenty of pain..... it's coming. prepare urself, if you can.

is it safe to keep your money in currency now? i dont wanna buy gold for obvious reasons and I dont like to gamble with my money on the market specially right now.

I got all my assests in my house and currency.

not planning to sell the house for atleast 5 years.

what you think cracker?

 

[doc111]

is it safe to keep your money in currency now? i dont wanna buy gold for obvious reasons and I dont like to gamble with my money on the market specially right now.

I got all my assests in my house and currency.

not planning to sell the house for atleast 5 years.

what you think cracker?

Invest in beans, bullets, and...............bongs!

 

[tebor]

start a farm.
you cant eat gold.

 

[jeff f]

Invest in beans, bullets, and...............bongs!

probably the best advice you can get...seriously.

i see things in my area shaping up like this: the govt is running out of money. this state recently couldnt pay state workers for a couple days. teachers are being cut back to 4 days a week to save money.

these fascist pigs (govt) have spent so much money that they are having real problems writing the checks.

well soon, its gonna hit the welfare check crowd. take a large city, lets say philadelphia, and cut off the cash....no food, no shelter.....

i really hope i am wrong but i was on the verge of bankruptcy after a divorce. there were times when i was down to my last 13 bucks and that was after i went through every couch cushin in the house. bills piled to the ceiling and the phone ringing off the hook. very scary scenario when you lose everything, even if its just a little bit, in a short amount of time.

you can only NOT eat for so long until you get desparate. especially if the govt check is your only income.

dear God may i be completely wrong

 

[doc111]

probably the best advice you can get...seriously.

i see things in my area shaping up like this: the govt is running out of money. this state recently couldnt pay state workers for a couple days. teachers are being cut back to 4 days a week to save money.

these fascist pigs (govt) have spent so much money that they are having real problems writing the checks.

well soon, its gonna hit the welfare check crowd. take a large city, lets say philadelphia, and cut off the cash....no food, no shelter.....

i really hope i am wrong but i was on the verge of bankruptcy after a divorce. there were times when i was down to my last 13 bucks and that was after i went through every couch cushin in the house. bills piled to the ceiling and the phone ringing off the hook. very scary scenario when you lose everything, even if its just a little bit, in a short amount of time.

you can only NOT eat for so long until you get desparate. especially if the govt check is your only income.

dear God may i be completely wrong

A year ago I was thinking the same thing. I think things are still getting worse but it seems to be slowing down. I think we will trudge along with a weak economy for a long time to come. What is going to happen with credit? Everybody's credit score is in the toilet. As for jobs. Obama thinks he is going to turn the economy around with green jobs. I doubt there will be enough of those jobs to replace the manufacturing jobs we're losing now and continue to lose. At least not for a long time. Self sufficiency is the only way to guarantee our survival it seems.

 

[PadawanBater]

Self sufficiency is the only way to guarantee our survival it seems.

Good luck getting that through...

Not when theres money to be made off oil. That's the only way to guarantee their profits. (for now, till they get their finger in the green technology)

 

[doc111]

Good luck getting that through...

Not when theres money to be made off oil. That's the only way to guarantee their profits. (for now, till they get their finger in the green technology)

I have no problem whatsoever growing my own food, herb and hunting for meat. I learned how to live off the land at a very young age................it's a skill I maintain to this very day.

 

[PadawanBater]

I have no problem whatsoever growing my own food, herb and hunting for meat. I learned how to live off the land at a very young age................it's a skill I maintain to this very day.

I've never spent a day in the "wilderness", so I'd probably be pretty fucked unless I got pretty lucky... Bet your ass I'd do a bunch of reading and researching how to survive, I think I'd have a pretty good chance of adapting.

Interesting thought... lol

 

[doc111]

I've never spent a day in the "wilderness", so I'd probably be pretty fucked unless I got pretty lucky... Bet your ass I'd do a bunch of reading and researching how to survive, I think I'd have a pretty good chance of adapting.

Interesting thought... lol

I grew up in the woods. I love the great outdoors.

 

[doc111]

I've never spent a day in the "wilderness", so I'd probably be pretty fucked unless I got pretty lucky... Bet your ass I'd do a bunch of reading and researching how to survive, I think I'd have a pretty good chance of adapting.

Interesting thought... lol

Better start now. During a crisis isn't the best time to be preparing for one.

 

[medicineman]

The great outdoors is pretty nice in the temperate zone in summer, Hit N.Dakota in January, in a tent in the woods and I'd bet most of us would not make it. If the welfare checks as you cons like to calls em, My retirement checks and SS are cut off, I'm pretty sure I'll go postal. It will be pretty funny to see a bunch of old dudes with guns heading towards the federal buildings in their nearest city. We just had a dude go postal at the federal courthouse in Vegas,(I'll bet some of you may have thought of me). One of the problems we face is overpopulation, or under food supply. We already have starvation on the planet in the poorer nations, hell right here at home we have hunger problems. When the water sources dry up, (Global warming don't ya know), The great rivers of the temperate zones will be no more and millions/Billions will have no way of growing food, hence, starvation en masse. I will probably not be witness to these horrible conditions, the end of old age will spare me. My children and grandchildren will be the ones paying for this debauchery

 

[doc111]

The great outdoors is pretty nice in the temperate zone in summer, Hit N.Dakota in January, in a tent in the woods and I'd bet most of us would not make it. If the welfare checks as you cons like to calls em, My retirement checks and SS are cut off, I'm pretty sure I'll go postal. It will be pretty funny to see a bunch of old dudes with guns heading towards the federal buildings in their nearest city. We just had a dude go postal at the federal courthouse in Vegas,(I'll bet some of you may have thought of me). One of the problems we face is overpopulation, or under food supply. We already have starvation on the planet in the poorer nations, hell right here at home we have hunger problems. When the water sources dry up, (Global warming don't ya know), The great rivers of the temperate zones will be no more and millions/Billions will have no way of growing food, hence, starvation en masse. I will probably not be witness to these horrible conditions, the end of old age will spare me. My children and grandchildren will be the ones paying for this debauchery

Funny you mention that.................I actually did think of you! j/k

 

[doc111]

The great outdoors is pretty nice in the temperate zone in summer, Hit N.Dakota in January, in a tent in the woods and I'd bet most of us would not make it. If the welfare checks as you cons like to calls em, My retirement checks and SS are cut off, I'm pretty sure I'll go postal. It will be pretty funny to see a bunch of old dudes with guns heading towards the federal buildings in their nearest city. We just had a dude go postal at the federal courthouse in Vegas,(I'll bet some of you may have thought of me). One of the problems we face is overpopulation, or under food supply. We already have starvation on the planet in the poorer nations, hell right here at home we have hunger problems. When the water sources dry up, (Global warming don't ya know), The great rivers of the temperate zones will be no more and millions/Billions will have no way of growing food, hence, starvation en masse. I will probably not be witness to these horrible conditions, the end of old age will spare me. My children and grandchildren will be the ones paying for this debauchery

I camp in the UP of Michigan every January. You're right though, it ain't for everyone.

 

[medicineman]

I camp in the UP of Michigan every January. You're right though, it ain't for everyone.

A few hardy souls could survive with the right equipment and knowledge, not me though, I'd be heading south, some ammo, some chow and some sunscreen, thank you.

 

[Big P]

say hello to your best buddy sir:

[FONT=Verdana,Sans-serif]CIA bomber calls for attacks on US in video[/FONT]
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Jan 9, 9:35 AM (ET)

By NAHAL TOOSI and MAAMOUN YOUSSEF

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ISLAMABAD (AP) - The Jordanian doctor who killed seven CIA employees in a suicide attack in Afghanistan said in video clips broadcast posthumously Saturday that all jihadists must attack U.S. targets to avenge the death of Pakistani Taliban chief Baitullah Mehsud.

Footage showed Humam Khalil Abu Mulal al-Balawi - whom the CIA had cultivated as an asset against al-Qaida - sitting with Mehsud's successor in an undisclosed location. It essentially confirmed the Pakistani Taliban's claim of responsibility for one of the worst attacks in CIA history, though a senior militant told The Associated Press that al-Qaida and Afghan insurgents played roles, too.

The development may lead the U.S. to further aid and push Pakistan to crack down on Taliban militants on its soil. The success of the attack also raises doubts about the effectiveness of the Pakistani military's ongoing ground operation against the Pakistani Taliban in its stronghold in the South Waziristan tribal region.

Speaking in Arabic in the video shown on the al-Jazeera network, al-Balawi noted the Pakistani Taliban had given shelter to "emigrants" - Muslim fighters from abroad. Mehsud, the group's longtime leader, was killed in August by a CIA missile strike.

"We will never forget the blood of our emir Baitullah Mehsud," said al-Balawi, who wore an Afghan hat and a camouflage jacket on a 1 1/2 minute video clip. "We will always demand revenge for him inside America and outside. It is an obligation of the emigrants who were welcomed by the emir."

A similar clip appeared on the Pakistani channel Aaj, though in it al-Balawi read haltingly from a piece of paper in English, a language Pakistanis are more familiar with than Arabic.

The 32-year-old al-Balawi was apparently a double agent - perhaps even a triple-agent - with links to al-Qaida, the CIA and Jordanian intelligence. He was invited inside the CIA facility in Afghanistan's eastern Khost province bearing a promise of information about Ayman al-Zawahri, al-Qaida's second-in-command. Instead, he blew himself up in a Dec. 30 meeting, killing seven including the CIA's base chief.

In the Arabic clip, al-Balawi appeared to mock assertions that U.S. or Jordanian intelligence had employed him. In the English version, he said he had given up millions of dollars offered by the agencies to join the militants.

"The emigrant for the sake of God will not put his religion on the bargaining table and will not sell his religion even if they put the sun in his right hand and the moon in his left," he said in Arabic, referring to a verse in the Quran.

Al-Balawi ended by saying the Pakistani Taliban under the leadership of the new chief, Hakimullah Mehsud, would fight till victory.

In Jordan, al-Balawi's father confirmed the man on the clip was his son.
"He was very opposed to what was happening in Iraq, the occupation of Palestine and the killings of Muslims in Afghanistan," a downbeat Khalil Abu Mulal al-Balawi said. "We knew he was very zealous for God and his religion."

IntelCenter, a U.S.-based group monitoring extremist sites, said the video was released by the Pakistani Taliban. Behind Hakimullah Mehsud and al-Balawi was a banner bearing the Muslim creed, "There is no god but God, and Muhammad is His messenger."

The CIA attack would be the most prolific strike on a U.S. target by the Pakistani Taliban under the 20-something Hakimullah Mehsud's watch. It is also unusual because the Pakistani Taliban rarely claim responsibility for strikes in Afghanistan.

But statements by Afghan Taliban and al-Qaida leaders since the attack have confused the issue of who backed the plan, and it appears increasingly likely it was a joint operation.

A Pakistani Taliban militant told AP that al-Qaida and the Haqqani network, a highly independent Afghan Taliban faction, also were involved in the suicide attack. Al-Balawi received training from Qari Hussain, a leading commander of the Pakistani Taliban believed to have run suicide bombing camps, said the militant, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of security reasons.

In an earlier interview with AP, Hussain claimed responsibility on behalf of the Pakistani Taliban for the attack.

Mahmood Shah, a former security chief for Pakistan's tribal regions, said the Pakistani Taliban likely provided logistics to the bomber, but al-Qaida probably provided the recruit himself.

That's because the terror network is more able to tap into a reservoir of educated Arab militants, said Shah, who added al-Qaida may have formulated the overall plot as well. The Haqqani network likely gave consent because it controls much of Khost, he said.

A major Pakistani army offensive in South Waziristan tribal region is believed to have forced many Pakistani Taliban leaders to go on the run to other parts of the lawless tribal belt along the Afghan border. Hakimullah Mehsud, for instance, is believed to be evading the Pakistani military offensive by hiding somewhere along the border dividing South and North Waziristan tribal regions.

Though the group initially appeared to be in disarray after the August missile strike and the offensive, it and linked militant groups are suspected in a rising tide of violence in Pakistan since October. More than 600 people have died in a range of suicide and other bombings across the nuclear-armed country during the wave of bloodshed.

Pakistani Taliban involvement in the CIA attack could mean more pressure on Islamabad to act against the group, though Shah said Pakistan was doing everything it could do with limited resources.

He asserted that past claims of links between al-Qaida and the Pakistani Taliban had not always been taken seriously by the U.S., and this attack might change that. The U.S. has already been providing logistical support for the operation in South Waziristan.

Though linked, the Pakistani Taliban and the Afghan Taliban are separate movements.

The Afghan Taliban are focused on ridding Afghanistan of Western troops and toppling the U.S.-backed government in Kabul, while the Pakistani Taliban are primarily determined to overthrow the U.S.-allied government in Islamabad.

But both militant movements are largely driven by Pashtuns, an ethnic group that straddles both sides of the Afghan-Pakistan border and whose members easily slip back and forth between the countries.

The secretive eastern Afghan CIA base that was attacked was reportedly used as a key outpost in the effort to identify and target terrorist leaders,
many of whom were taken out by drone-fired missile strikes.

Despite the suicide bombing's devastating blow to the human intelligence of the CIA, there's been a surge in missile strikes on Pakistan's tribal regions, where many of the top terror leaders, including Osama bin Laden, are believed to be hiding. There have been at least five such missile strikes in North Waziristan since the bombing in Khost.

---_ Youssef reported from Cairo. Associated Press writers Jamal Halaby in Amman, Jordan, and Kathy Gannon in Islamabad contributed to this report.


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[Big P]

 

[CrackerJax]

is it safe to keep your money in currency now? i dont wanna buy gold for obvious reasons and I dont like to gamble with my money on the market specially right now.

I got all my assests in my house and currency.

not planning to sell the house for atleast 5 years.

what you think cracker?

Real estate can be a local issue, but as a rule for right now, the market is flat and not coming back anytime soon. Waiting, or being able to wait 5 years is an advantage.

Currency right now is looking up, but is volatile. I think if you have over 100k, get it offshore. Taxes are only going one way, and anyone with a serious amount of liquid assets will be a target. The IRS is already getting very aggressive and will be also looking for targets. You can easily manage your money offshore today thanks to computers. Flow ur extra assets offshore and keep it working for you until we get a smarter govt. in play and then you can snap it back in when taxation rates are low. As long as you don't need the cash to live on, move it out of here, this is a hostile environment, and tons of companies and individuals have already taken these steps.

When will it be right to brig it back in? watch the foreign capital investment %'s.... once they start to really climb again (next administration hopefully), then it's getting time to examine the playing field.

 

[tebor]

If you have a 100k, buy a farm. or some acreage.
Plant some fruit trees.nut trees.
Plant some perennial edibles.
Jerusalem Artichokes, asparagus. Berry Plants.
Chickens. rabbits. Guns and Ammo.
a few goats.
Stuff like that.