The Never Ending Abuse of Phosphorous (Bloom foods) to Enhance Flowering
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wyteboi
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"My mix"
"I'm typical. If it ain't broke...
FF OF 70%
FF LW 30%
FF Big N' Chunky perlite, two heaping scoops per 2 gallon growbag.
NYCDx??? clones in rw cubes
And the nutes...
FF Grow Big 6-4-4
FF Tiger Bloom 2-8-4
EJ Meta-K 0-0-10
Ionic Boost 0-5-6
Blossom Blaster 0-50-30
Milennium Cal-Mag Max 0-0-0
And the additives...
Dark Energy
Supernova
Supercharger
Fossil Fuel
Diamond Nectar
Hygrozyme
Pro-Tekt
TopMax
CarboMax
Gravity
Bushmaster
Purple Maxx
Oh, man, it's the dankies."
i found this an could not believe the shit people believe...................
"I'm typical. If it ain't broke...
FF OF 70%
FF LW 30%
FF Big N' Chunky perlite, two heaping scoops per 2 gallon growbag.
NYCDx??? clones in rw cubes
And the nutes...
FF Grow Big 6-4-4
FF Tiger Bloom 2-8-4
EJ Meta-K 0-0-10
Ionic Boost 0-5-6
Blossom Blaster 0-50-30
Milennium Cal-Mag Max 0-0-0
And the additives...
Dark Energy
Supernova
Supercharger
Fossil Fuel
Diamond Nectar
Hygrozyme
Pro-Tekt
TopMax
CarboMax
Gravity
Bushmaster
Purple Maxx
Oh, man, it's the dankies."
i found this an could not believe the shit people believe...................
bigman4270
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No doubt, 1964. Like I said in one of my eirlier post "The farmers around here" and they are close if you know what I mean. Small town= small library.lol
Ya think I would know how to grow thing's being this close to the agricultural area, but I am from the Detroit area origanaly so didn't grow up a farmer.
Kriegs
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As a person with a natural resources career, I'm continually amazed at how dialed-in a lot of the old scientists were. No computers, no models, no GCMS machines, on and on... just tight observation.
BTW, did you realize you have "locational information" in your avatar photo? May be of no consequence depending where you are, etc... just thought I'd mention it.
wyteboi
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no i would never do all that mess, i found that in someones post who claims to really use all that shit ......... his shit is probably dead by now.
wb
Kriegs
Well-Known Member
I had a huge lol last year when someone posted in the Newbie a "Growing School"-type thing and the "teacher" was just hitting those plants with everything under the sun. It was astonishing. And all along, it was "... really looking good now! ", the respondents all agreeing, and I was like... ah, no. Everything was all curly and twisted - a real fuck-fest. It eventually died out as the plants did, or the mods killed it because it was downright embarrassing.
Uncle Ben
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You and me are cut from the same mold. At the now defunct Planet Ganja, I would advise a noob as to what was wrong with his yellowed curled up plants and how to correct it, his asshole buddies would refute me based on forum politics, a clique, then gang bang me trying to make me look like the bad guy..... and of course his garden ended up looking like shit. One guy who kept on suggesting adding all these rocket fuels was bound and determined to fuck up his friend's garden because he had this obsessive compulsive drive to refute EVERYTHING I posted. Now you know why I post the nutrient antagonism link so much. Some people just don't understand the concept of the "sum of the parts".
Like they say, "stupid is as stupid does."
Less is more,
UB
Kriegs
Well-Known Member
No shit.. I've really been getting jumped on a lot here lately for pointing out the simple answers to issues ahead of all the complex steps and formulations people are so enamored of. Then, someone will track my link and find the one or two messy leaves in my grow pic's and say "see there.. you don't know what you're doing. Your plants look like shit..", just totally ignoring the other 99% of what's right in front of their eyes. A recent forum screed busted me down cuz his plants were twice as tall as mine at the same time point, but his 20" plants had like four nodes, no side growth.. mine are 10" loaded with internodes and branches, and just ready to shoot the moon in 12/12.. Ah shit, I could go on.
So yeah, at a lot of points I just say..."go ahead, fuck your plants with 42 different steps and formulations a week that you have no real understanding about, and see how it works out in the end..". And then you see the thread chain take off again with all these people throwing in a different two cents.. and the thread originator so confused and running all over, 2 trips a day to the hydro store and what-not. It's fairly sad actually.
riddleme
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AMEN! the myths are so imbedded in the culture that it is a pain in the ass to get folks to understand simple botany.
Kudos to the folks that keep on keepin on and spreading the truth
Kriegs
Well-Known Member
Yeah.. you've been in on a few of these debates with me. You know first-hand.
Uncle Ben
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It's the way of the world.
M
mikegreenthumb
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yes it is where there is a demand there will be a supply wheather or not it is truly a supply or just convincing you that it is people want bigger bud and wanna push there plants as far as possible and the result is money hungry dutchmen give you a bottle of green/brown shit (if only it were shit then it would actually have a use) and call it "magic" for your plants then its makes em sick and conviententy enough they have "just" the right cure YOUR BEING HUSTLED PEOPLE STOP IT NOW CUT OFF THE BLEEDING
Katatawnic
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Yep, they all sell the "cures" to all our plant nutrient problems that shouldn't exist if their "complete" nutrient products were actually complete in the first place! 
DaveCoulier
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Just wait till they come out with two part nutrients because people would be dumb enough to actually pay for two products that should be one...Yep, they all sell the "cures" to all our plant nutrient problems that shouldn't exist if their "complete" nutrient products were actually complete in the first place!
Oh wait, they already do that. My bad.
Katatawnic
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LOL! As I was reading your first sentence, I was thinking, "Huh? They already do!" Then I read your next sentence.
I was never dumb enough to do that one, BTW.
I was never dumb enough to do that one, BTW.
M
mikegreenthumb
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people just let information overwhelm thier common sense it happens over and over again if you never question the information your given you'll always be able to be lead astray
Uncle Ben..
I'm a noobie for sure, but I also have a technical degree so I like to learn before I do and I tend to analyze everything to death... I'm trying to understand the NPK thing with the nutes I use. I use a product called Cutting Edge. My bloom mix is: 3 parts, Micro at 6-0-0, Bloom at 2-1-6 and uncle Johns mix at 0-0-2. I understand that to get what the plant "sees" you would add these together for a total of 8-1-8 and divide by 3.. meaning 2.6-.33-2.6. I think I got this right from this thread and your explanations. But, my question is if the mix from the manufacture are not equal amounts, actually states use 5ml of Micro, 15ml of Bloom (Triple of Micro) and 10ml of Uncle Johns (Double of Micro)
These figures are per gallon of water.
Since the 3 nutes are not equal amounts, then how do you come up with the correct NPK? I'm guessing that you would triple the bloom number and double the Uncle Johns number... meaning the total would be as follows:
Micro - 6-0-0 (5 ml)
Bloom - 6-3-18 (15 ml - Triple the 2-1-6)
Uncle Johns- 0-0-4 (10 ml - Double the 0-0-2)
Total would be 12-3-22, then would you still divide by 3? so it would be 4-1-7 or so. Is this correct?
Also.. I'm growing using Aeroponics/NFT.
I'm going to get some books on Botany! Thanks for all your posts, I'm learning a great deal. I'm going to start using some Grow nutes in my bloom stage for sure for that extra Nitrogen. FYI.. Cutting Edge Grow Nutes are 2-1-6.
I'm a noobie for sure, but I also have a technical degree so I like to learn before I do and I tend to analyze everything to death... I'm trying to understand the NPK thing with the nutes I use. I use a product called Cutting Edge. My bloom mix is: 3 parts, Micro at 6-0-0, Bloom at 2-1-6 and uncle Johns mix at 0-0-2. I understand that to get what the plant "sees" you would add these together for a total of 8-1-8 and divide by 3.. meaning 2.6-.33-2.6. I think I got this right from this thread and your explanations. But, my question is if the mix from the manufacture are not equal amounts, actually states use 5ml of Micro, 15ml of Bloom (Triple of Micro) and 10ml of Uncle Johns (Double of Micro)
These figures are per gallon of water.
Since the 3 nutes are not equal amounts, then how do you come up with the correct NPK? I'm guessing that you would triple the bloom number and double the Uncle Johns number... meaning the total would be as follows:
Micro - 6-0-0 (5 ml)
Bloom - 6-3-18 (15 ml - Triple the 2-1-6)
Uncle Johns- 0-0-4 (10 ml - Double the 0-0-2)
Total would be 12-3-22, then would you still divide by 3? so it would be 4-1-7 or so. Is this correct?
Also.. I'm growing using Aeroponics/NFT.
I'm going to get some books on Botany! Thanks for all your posts, I'm learning a great deal. I'm going to start using some Grow nutes in my bloom stage for sure for that extra Nitrogen. FYI.. Cutting Edge Grow Nutes are 2-1-6.