honest talk about the negro coffee fetcher

[doc111]

No one is supposed to be a racist.

The govt. does all it's hiring with racial profiling.

Anyone see a conflict?

I tried to tell some people this same thing here in the political forum and I was told that I was making shit up. According to them there is no affirmative action (or whatever it's being called these days) anymore. I cited a supreme court case decision which was recently handed down in which some white and latino firefighters from New Haven CT. Were passed over for promotion in favor of some black firefighters with lower test scores, lack of seniority etc. All because they didn't have enough black Lieutenants and Captains. The supreme court ruled in favor of the white and latino firefighters saying that their civil rights were violated. Unfortunately this decision came too late to help me as I was passed over twice for the exact same reasons. This shit was happening at metro fire depts all over the country and I happen to know that most governmental jobs use similar criteria in their hiring and promoting. Nobody really gives a shit................until it happens to them.

 

[Illegal Smile]

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!! That is fucking priceless!

The phrase diversity-industrial complex has been around awhile and Ican't take credit for coining it. it is an obvious play on Eisenhower's farewell speech when he warned of the danger of the military-industrial complex.

It is clear there are segments of America, including the black elite and the dem party, whose fortunes would be devastated by any real advance in race relations. Racial politics and the shakedown depend on racial strife and disharmony and as long as powerful people stand to gain more money and more power from it, we will see more and more strife.

 

[doc111]

The phrase diversity-industrial complex has been around awhile and Ican't take credit for coining it. it is an obvious play on Eisenhower's farewell speech when he warned of the danger of the military-industrial complex.

It is clear there are segments of America, including the black elite and the dem party, whose fortunes would be devastated by any real advance in race relations. Racial politics and the shakedown depend on racial strife and disharmony and as long as powerful people stand to gain more money and more power from it, we will see more and more strife.

I've never heard it used before. I've heard of Military Industrial Complex and Prison Industrial Complex, but never Diversity Industrial Complex.

 

[Illegal Smile]

I tried to tell some people this same thing here in the political forum and I was told that I was making shit up. According to them there is no affirmative action (or whatever it's being called these days) anymore. I cited a supreme court case decision which was recently handed down in which some white and latino firefighters from New Haven CT. Were passed over for promotion in favor of some black firefighters with lower test scores, lack of seniority etc. All because they didn't have enough black Lieutenants and Captains. The supreme court ruled in favor of the white and latino firefighters saying that their civil rights were violated. Unfortunately this decision came too late to help me as I was passed over twice for the exact same reasons. This shit was happening at metro fire depts all over the country and I happen to know that most governmental jobs use similar criteria in their hiring and promoting. Nobody really gives a shit................until it happens to them.

Right, there is no race-based preference. I have been told that I must hire a black for a job. Virtually any attempt to take disciplinary action against any black employee anywhere will result in a charge of discrimination. I have seen tests used for hiring given to black applicants by black personnel officers.

In academia where my wife was, she has seen students admitted to programs because they were black who would not have been admitted if they were white. They were then graduated when they wouldn't have been if they were white and hired into jobs they wouldn't have gotten if they were white. It is a matter of open record that mortgages can be gotten by black applicants when a white applicant with identical credentials would be denied.

The sad part about this is that it does NOT help black America. We are lead to think it does but it doesn't. I recently read an article arguing that blacks have the right to have whites NOT assume they got their positions through race-based preference. That pretty much says it all. I know many blacks who truly earned their degrees or jobs and who admit that they feel diminished by what race-based preference has done. I also know liberal whites who openly say - let them have the preferences, they can't compete straight up.

 

[brothafromanothaplanet]

I strongly dislike all black people.

the fact that you typed this response proves that you obviously don't have too much love for yourself either!

I tried to tell some people this same thing here in the political forum and I was told that I was making shit up. According to them there is no affirmative action (or whatever it's being called these days) anymore. I cited a supreme court case decision which was recently handed down in which some white and latino firefighters from New Haven CT. Were passed over for promotion in favor of some black firefighters with lower test scores, lack of seniority etc. All because they didn't have enough black Lieutenants and Captains. The supreme court ruled in favor of the white and latino firefighters saying that their civil rights were violated. Unfortunately this decision came too late to help me as I was passed over twice for the exact same reasons. This shit was happening at metro fire depts all over the country and I happen to know that most governmental jobs use similar criteria in their hiring and promoting. Nobody really gives a shit................until it happens to them.

so what system was in place BEFORE affirmative action? can you say "America's chickens are coming home to roost"? it tickles the shit outta me whenever i hear white people complaining about being kept out of a job because of affirmative action.

 

[doc111]

the fact that you typed this response proves that you obviously don't have too much love for yourself either!




so what system was in place BEFORE affirmative action? can you say "America's chickens are coming home to roost"? it tickles the shit outta me whenever i hear white people complaining about being kept out of a job because of affirmative action.

Good for you! I'm glad you've been able to rise above all the discrimination you've surely faced in your life because you're better than all that right? It's soooo good to see enlightened people of color on here, it really is!

 

[CrackerJax]

Here is a map I whipped up so we can all have a base line to work from. Now you know....

 

[hanimmal]

I tried to tell some people this same thing here in the political forum and I was told that I was making shit up. According to them there is no affirmative action (or whatever it's being called these days) anymore. I cited a supreme court case decision which was recently handed down in which some white and latino firefighters from New Haven CT. Were passed over for promotion in favor of some black firefighters with lower test scores, lack of seniority etc. All because they didn't have enough black Lieutenants and Captains. The supreme court ruled in favor of the white and latino firefighters saying that their civil rights were violated. Unfortunately this decision came too late to help me as I was passed over twice for the exact same reasons. This shit was happening at metro fire depts all over the country and I happen to know that most governmental jobs use similar criteria in their hiring and promoting. Nobody really gives a shit................until it happens to them.

No you did not get the job, because you were not better than all the white people that were promoted before you were, not because of two black people that were. See you were not in competition for those two positions, you were in competition with all the other white people though.

And they posted you may have been making it up before you said it was for a firefighter promotion, before that you said you didn't get a job because of this.

 

[doc111]

Right, there is no race-based preference. I have been told that I must hire a black for a job. Virtually any attempt to take disciplinary action against any black employee anywhere will result in a charge of discrimination. I have seen tests used for hiring given to black applicants by black personnel officers.

In academia where my wife was, she has seen students admitted to programs because they were black who would not have been admitted if they were white. They were then graduated when they wouldn't have been if they were white and hired into jobs they wouldn't have gotten if they were white. It is a matter of open record that mortgages can be gotten by black applicants when a white applicant with identical credentials would be denied.

The sad part about this is that it does NOT help black America. We are lead to think it does but it doesn't. I recently read an article arguing that blacks have the right to have whites NOT assume they got their positions through race-based preference. That pretty much says it all. I know many blacks who truly earned their degrees or jobs and who admit that they feel diminished by what race-based preference has done. I also know liberal whites who openly say - let them have the preferences, they can't compete straight up.

I tried to say this too but I was laughed at and told I just like to make shit up or that I'm the racist. Which is laughable since I have never called a black person a racial slur, never prevented a black person from getting a job or a promotion, never owned slaves, never denied a black person a seat at the front of the bus, never told a black person they couldn't eat at this restaurant because it's for whites only. Come on people! This is what we call a double standard. If I was a racist I'd say something like "Let's keep affirmative action, it's the only way to keep the black man from excellence and rising above his past."

Every black person who was fired while I was a firefighter went on to sue the dept. for discrimination even though you could get away with way more shit if you were black. Case in point. We had a black guy who had failed 2 drug tests, come into work drunk on at least 3 seperate occasions not to mention how many times he was late to work or called off. He eventually got fired and turned right around and sued the dept. Tell me how that is discrimination. Is this the kind of guy you want to come and save your life? Your kid's life?

 

[doc111]

No you did not get the job, because you were not better than all the white people that were promoted before you were, not because of two black people that were. See you were not in competition for those two positions, you were in competition with all the other white people though.

And they posted you may have been making it up before you said it was for a firefighter promotion, before that you said you didn't get a job because of this.[/QUOTE]I most certainly did not. I said I was passed over for a promotion twice.

 

[hanimmal]

I most certainly did not. I said I was passed over for a promotion twice.

No problem, I apologize. But without any information more at the time, it did seem that you were just making an point, and not really that it was true. That was why people started to say you were making it up.

 

[doc111]

No you did not get the job, because you were not better than all the white people that were promoted before you were, not because of two black people that were. See you were not in competition for those two positions, you were in competition with all the other white people though.

And they posted you may have been making it up before you said it was for a firefighter promotion, before that you said you didn't get a job because of this.

I like how you keep trying to tell me why I didn't get the promotion. I got the job (obviously). And this is exactly what I said. I'm getting real tired of you trying to put words into my mouth and basically calling me a liar.

"I was passed over for promotion twice in lieu of blacks who had lower test scores"

 

[doc111]

No problem, I apologize. But without any information more at the time, it did seem that you were just making an point, and not really that it was true. That was why people started to say you were making it up.

I do appreciate the apology but I want to reiterate that I don't just make shit up. Why would I do that? To look cool? Puhlease! And here is the link to the page on the thread where this discussion originally took place. I don't want there to be any confusion about exactly what was said:


https://www.rollitup.org/politics/228877-obama-racist-harbors-lifelong-hatred-12.html

 

[hanimmal]

I thought you didn't get the promotion (that job) you were trying to.

And I am not sure why your dumping this on me, I took what you said as something that actually happened to you from the start, I never called you a liar did I.

Having a lot of family in the fire department I am pretty familiar with it, and know it does happen in cities. I don't assume people lie when they tell things that happen to them, but I do believe that most are looking at it from a deeply personal and biased position. And failing to look at it from a removed position (because it is very difficult to do) and think logically.

 

[doc111]

I thought you didn't get the promotion (that job) you were trying to.

And I am not sure why your dumping this on me, I took what you said as something that actually happened to you from the start, I never called you a liar did I.

Having a lot of family in the fire department I am pretty familiar with it, and know it does happen in cities. I don't assume people lie when they tell things that happen to them, but I do believe that most are looking at it from a deeply personal and biased position. And failing to look at it from a removed position (because it is very difficult to do) and think logically.

I'm not dumping anything on you bro. You came into the thread after I had made a statement about and experience that I had in regards to affirmative action. You tried to say that I said something totally different. I take issue with that, as you would if the tables were turned. If what I have to say upsets you or pisses you off that's one thing but all I did was state a fact and of course it's going to be from my perspective. I'm not going to give you the classic "A friend of a friend..............". I speak from experience.

 

[CrackerJax]

Doc isn't the one making assumptions here....

The liberal way....

 

[Illegal Smile]

Here's a true story: I was a division director in a large agency in a large state. A department head under me had a position for a research analyst. We needed someone stat savvy who do serious econometric modeling and run regressions. But the rules didn't allow us to require a certain degree or education.

If we just posted the job we would have to hire the applicant supposedly most qualified. However we knew that having worked with numbers in accounting could and would be considered by personnel as equal to a masters in statistics. But we were allowed to devise a test. But the test had to be provided to personnel in advance so they could ensure it wasn't culturally biased. Even though it was entirely quantitative with several tasks to be performed on values given.

So in the end we were told an applicant who was clearly unqualified should be hired. Why? Because her test score showed she was equally qualified as the applicant with the real education. Yes she was black and yes he was white and yes the personnel dept was almost all black. So what happens when applicants are equally qualified? The rules sayyou then look at other factors to see if an applicant is demonstrably superior. And right there in writing it says that affirmative action status shall be considered a component of demonstrable superiority.

It gets worse. This woman couldn't possibly have done the work on the test and we knew it. We asked for an explanation and were not surprised when we learned that we had changed the values on the test we actually gave the applicants from the one that was given to personnel. Nothing else changed, just the values. And the test paper of the woman in question - had the right answers for the test given to personnel not the test she was given. Did this expose personnel in a fraud? No, it showed that we had violated process and she was hired. She never could do the job and never could be removed. It happens every day all over the country.

 

[That 5hit]

Every black person who was fired while I was a firefighter went on to sue the dept. for discrimination even though you could get away with way more shit if you were black. Case in point. We had a black guy who had failed 2 drug tests, come into work drunk on at least 3 seperate occasions not to mention how many times he was late to work or called off. He eventually got fired and turned right around and sued the dept. Tell me how that is discrimination. Is this the kind of guy you want to come and save your life? Your kid's life?

so are you saying to keep this from happening in the future the department should just not hire any blacks, that way they will save the dept. for any discrim. law suit-
am i also to belive that you think he will when his law suit just because he is black- or will he loose because they have enuff evidence to sorport why they fired him (being outside of race)- you'll be surprized how many times a job has been sued because of fireing someone based on race sex or diablity that had plenty, just cause, to fire that person for other reason unrelated to race or sex. and as soon as the matter is brought to court the boss comes right in and when the judge ask what happened he makes some race or sex related comment - the point of my story is to say you can sue anyone in the world , but to win your lawsuit you need proof - now my question to you is do you think the black guy that was fired has any poof for race discrim.

( i dont even know this guy or you , but if he was the only black guy there, and by the way you speck on here, i'm willing to bet you hes been discrimnated on - discrimnation starts with perjudgeing and you do a lot of that on here. when you first saw him the first thing you said was heres another (ni...) black guy taking a job form a white man - and anything he has done sence then has been intencafide do to his skin color as if white dont do the same thing
im in chicago and work with nothing but irish man nuff said (irish man)

 

[RickWhite]

There was nothing wrong with his point, just in his choice of words.

I believe that people's choice of words often reveals their true feelings or beliefs. The phrase "Negro dialect" is absolutely a racist statement as would be black dialect or African American dialect.

Phrases such as these demonstrate the faulty thinking of the Left. What the phrase says is that speaking with improper grammar is synonymous with being black and suggests that all Blacks speak this way. One would properly refer to such a dialect as "ghetto dialect" or the like if they were concerned with fairness and equality because in fairness this way of speaking is a ghetto phenomenon and not a black one. To be correct, it was originally a Southern redneck dialect.

At any rate, one would not find a man like Thomas Sowell or like Michael Steel speaking ghetto jive - it is unfair to suggest otherwise.

 

[hanimmal]

Check the first 6 pages, I was posting in that thread before it got reborn. I did miss your post (just saw it now) about being a firefighter on the bottom of page 8 (sometimes I do tend to skip over some posts).

I even defended you when someone said you made up the firefighters that were suing the city, but w/e. I don't think you will ever read my posts without trying to build an argument anyway. It is like when I was a kid and my dad would be yelling at me, I would be thinking of what I wanted to say, and not actually listen to what he was saying.

Luckily I had a great boss, that nailed me on it early on so I learned to curb that, because it is counterproductive. Now I try to always try to understand the P.O.V. of the person before I formulate my argument/decision.

Anyway, I still am of the mind that people that get passed up for jobs (even if your already working for a company as a 'worker' and try to get a 'management' position it is a different job imo) that they were not in contention for (be it because of racial qualifications, or the fact you are not a paramedic (before you fly off the handle I don't really know if you are not, but chances are you would have had a job in a suburb if you did), or high test scores, shouldn't complain about why they didn't get it, and should instead focus on how to become better and get it next time, or find a new career path.

Which you seem to have done, and I think that is great.