DaGambler's 4k HPS 99 Plant Hempy Grow

[BooMeR242]

But first i gotta drop some major props to some of the brothers
here at RIU ... say what you will, but for all it's problems, still the
best damn weed site on the internet and let me remind you of why....


Sure Shot's Youtube Channel:

http://www.youtube.com/user/TTSSURESHOT

and some of his videos:

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[youtube]sfhNw3qakW8[/youtube]

And some world-class pics from BooMeR242's Journals:

https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/190582-medicinal-garden-whitewidow-6clones-outdoor-62.html

I bow before you green bastards. And if we have seen further than other
men ... then it is because we have stood on the backs of giants that were
growing the good leaf.
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thanks for the credit DG. everyone on RIU hopefully brings sumthing to the table. but of course more photoshoots to come

 

[DaGambler]

Current Clone Crop going into the Flower Room Next Weekend:

First DIY Table on Left: Durban Poison and White Russian Clones


Second DIY Table on Right: Seedling Hybrids of Mr. Nice (G13xHashPlant) crossed with several varieties.

And the new 5 gal. buckets i'll be using with Lava Rock. Furniture tack with an extra felt and rubber spacer to keep one side of the bucket up off the ground for water flow.

Most of the remaining plants should be ready to harvest next weekend ... about 6 of them might not be, but those bi-atches are going into a separate room to finish if need be, 'cuz they have taken too long already due to a light interuption.


Plants grow real slow under the 6400k Flouro's ... but that's okay 'cuz they stay pretty compact and you can always cut them back if you aren't ready for them yet. I take new clones just before switching to flower ... so they got a good 9 weeks to dilly-dally.
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[Bob Smith]

Looking good, my friend - question for you:

How difficult did you find pollination to be?

Thinking of trying my hand at it, but would hate to fuck up and seed the other two crops that are going to be flowering in the same room.

 

[DaGambler]

Looking good, my friend - question for you:

How difficult did you find pollination to be?

Thinking of trying my hand at it, but would hate to fuck up and seed the other two crops that are going to be flowering in the same room.

As soon as you spot the male remove him. Ignore him. Abuse him. It doesn't matter. Put him in a closet by himself and water every 2nd or 3rd day using just a 4 ft. flourescent fixture (one bulb out of two is fine). No matter what you do he's still going to produce more pollen than you can ever use. (Pollen doesn't store well so you'll have to use it on this crop.) Place each male 'bud' in its own upside down plastic bag. Open bag at top of bud with the bud poked up through a small hole in the bottom of the bag. These bags will then collect the pollen. Remove the 'Mommy' from the flower room. Put her in a garbage bag (upside down bag) and tie it shut. Then poke the one donor branch through the bag that you want to impregnate. You can go Picasso with a paint brush spreading the male pollen on to her... or you can just dip her branch into the male's pollen collection bags... pinch the bag closed around the male / female branch ends and shake things up and rub them together ... (then take a cold shower if it made you feel dirty). Remove female branch... shake it off real good and put it back into the flower room... or even leave it out for a few more hours with an oscillating fan pointing at that branch to blow off any unwanted pollen.

A single female branch seeded in this way is likely to produce 100 seeds or more. You'll want to do this by / around the 5th week in flowering... then allow that plant to go a week or so longer than the rest so that more seeds have time to mature.
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[Bob Smith]

As soon as you spot the male remove him. Ignore him. Abuse him. It doesn't matter. Put him in a closet by himself and water every 2nd or 3rd day using just a 4 ft. flourescent fixture (one bulb out of two is fine). No matter what you do he's still going to produce more pollen than you can ever use. (Pollen doesn't store well so you'll have to use it on this crop.) Place each male 'bud' in its own upside down plastic bag. Open bag at top of bud with the bud poked up through a small hole in the bottom of the bag. These bags will then collect the pollen. Remove the 'Mommy' from the flower room. Put her in a garbage bag (upside down) and tie it shut. Then poke the one donor branch through the bag that you want to impregnate. You can go Picasso with a paint brush spreading the male pollen on to her... or you can just dip her branch into the male's pollen collection bags... pinch the bag closed around the male / female branch ends and shake things up and rub them together ... (then take a cold shower if it made you feel dirty). Remove female branch... shake it off real good and put it back into the flower room... or even leave it out for a few more hours with an oscillating fan pointing at that branch to blow off any unwanted pollen.

A single female branch seeded in this way is likely to produce 100 seeds or more. You'll want to do this by / around the 5th week in flowering... then allow that plant to go a week or so longer than the rest so that more seeds have time to mature.
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Firstly, great shit, and + rep for that little tutorial.

Have 10 seedlings going, so if I spot a worthwhile male (hell, even if I just spot ANY male, since I just wanna practice) I'm gonna use him to pollinate every strain I have (similar to your Mr. Nice breeding).

So, here's my deal - gonna go 12/12 in my flowering tent about 2.18.10, and shooting to go 12/12 in my other tent (both levels) around March 1st.............so, should I sneak a male into my flower tent to give him a little head start on showing himself? Gonna be pollinating the plants that I'm flowering out under fluoros on the bottom level (and then use them as hash material), so if I could get a head start on the male, I could pollinate them earlier and be done earlier, no?

EDIT: the sons of bitches wouldn't let me rep you...........

 

[DRIPS420]

Dope thread and setup man. Im gonna try that male thing...my buddy just had a master cheese that hermied and im gonna try it with some gods gift thats 4 weeks in. You think that the hermis flower will work.....?

 

[DaGambler]

So, here's my deal - gonna go 12/12 in my flowering tent about 2.18.10, and shooting to go 12/12 in my other tent (both levels) around March 1st.............so, should I sneak a male into my flower tent to give him a little head start on showing himself? Gonna be pollinating the plants that I'm flowering out under fluoros on the bottom level (and then use them as hash material), so if I could get a head start on the male, I could pollinate them earlier and be done earlier, no?...

sure, sure, the sooner begun, the sooner done. the way outlined was just to minimize the impact on a commercial crop. Genetics are genetics... for seed purposes the lights you are using won't matter at all. It won't hurt having the male a couple weeks ahead of whatever females ur seeding. I guess you can store pollen in a fridge... but only for a couple weeks or so before it loses potency.

...my buddy just had a master cheese that hermied and im gonna try it with some gods gift thats 4 weeks in. You think that the hermis flower will work.....?

worst case scenario is that it will throw plants more likely to hermi themselves. but, occasionally, you've got a 'perfectly normal' female that just throws a male flower or two (perhaps due to some stressor) ... when this happens it is only producing female pollen. so the good news is that all the seeds would likely be female.
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[DRIPS420]

gonna go check out the situation today....hoping for just a few loose flowers. Fingers crossed. thanks.

 

[DaGambler]

Finally got off my ass... Put (5) White Russians in a separate room to finish flowering and put (6) Mr. Nice outside the Gulleys till i can harvest them.

(Above Pic: A T-Loop that feeds the new Drip Setup... makes a giant circle around both gulleys ... equalizing pressure. Added Drip to the Ebb 'N Flow.)

(Above Pic: Made the (2) gulleys each a foot less wide... re-aligned the lights... switched from perlite as a media to Lava Rocks. You can see the drip feeder lines.)

(Above Pic: Plants just transplanted today. I'll likely veg. them in the flower room for up to 2 weeks before flipping the switch to flower.)


Overall - very satisfied with the last ebb 'n flow harvest in perlite. Yielded at least 6 lbs... Probably closer to 7 or 8. Running 7k HPS. Have high hopes for the new Lava medium as well as having added on the drip hybrid ebb 'n flow setup. I'll be flooding every 4 hours and the drip is perpetual. Also looking to add some cages - one to each bucket yet. Still have to throw another 24 of them together.


- DaGambler
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[shnkrmn]

Busy, busy, busy. I'll never match your energy, man. 5 or 6 pounds sounds really nice. I was lucky to scrape an ounce per plant last round. Should do substantially better in my current run.

Adding the drip lines sounds like you just ran out of something to do. With 4 floods a day it seems redundant or does lava have issues with lack of water retention? That's not what I've read. Anyway, looks like you're going to grow a serious forest this time.

 

[#1Raiderfan420]

Ok man, I see you everywhere and I have always been put off by your avatar, but you always have good information to share. So I finally clicked your grow link and I am glad I did. Fantastic set-up and it looks all DIY, fanominal!! Did you glue the liner to the frame of your tables? Is it pool liner? That was a great video, good combo of ass and buds Are you running a sea of green and did you last run? Do you run two 1000k's per table? Sorry for so many questions, but I am intrigued now lol . I want to get closer to 1 GPL, my last one was about .5 GPL.
Scribed
+rep

 

[Drella]

wow bro, what a setup! im here now, scribed and +rep, your every boys dream! good luck on this one bro, im pulling up a chair!

 

[BooMeR242]

Ok man, I see you everywhere and I have always been put off by your avatar, but you always have good information to share. So I finally clicked your grow link and I am glad I did. Fantastic set-up and it looks all DIY, fanominal!! Did you glue the liner to the frame of your tables? Is it pool liner? That was a great video, good combo of ass and buds Are you running a sea of green and did you last run? Do you run two 1000k's per table? Sorry for so many questions, but I am intrigued now lol . I want to get closer to 1 GPL, my last one was about .5 GPL.
Scribed
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wow bro, what a setup! im here now, scribed and +rep, your every boys dream! good luck on this one bro, im pulling up a chair!

good to see raider and drella in here followin DGs grow. hes got a lot of good info to share.\


but anyways DG ure right, very intriguing setup u got here now. thanks for the headsup. the table and craftmenship looks great btw. DIY def is good for u understanding how everything works and how to fix it. and saves money.
now im seeing its a flood and drain system but ure using a drip system too? whys that? jw. ive been battling the decision of which one to go with but u sir are having ur cake and eating it too.
are u running to waste or recirc the runoff?

 

[DaGambler]

Adding the drip lines sounds like you just ran out of something to do. With 4 floods a day it seems redundant or does lava have issues with lack of water retention? That's not what I've read. Anyway, looks like you're going to grow a serious forest this time.

Actually its 6 floods a day... for now. The drip lines prevent me from ever having to top water after transplanting - which is often quite necessary when trying to pull roots down in ebb 'n flow - though i do try to position the plants such that their bottom reaches the highest flood height initially - it doesn't always happen though. So i consider this a 'no work, no stress' setup. Even if the pumps were to fail temporarily... the plants would still survive. I may actually turn off the drip for awhile after pulling a few roots down... to encourage better root spread through the lava.
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[DaGambler]

...and it looks all DIY, fanominal!! Did you glue the liner to the frame of your tables? Is it pool liner? That was a great video, good combo of ass and buds Are you running a sea of green and did you last run? Do you run two 1000k's per table? Sorry for so many questions, but I am intrigued now lol . I want to get closer to 1 GPL, my last one was about .5 GPL.
Scribed
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Yeah, DIY clone tables with 6 mil. plastic sheeting and DIY flower gulleys with Pond Liner ... just put it in place and it stays there. Each gulley is 4' x 10' (using 3 1/2' by 8' on pot footprint) and has (3) 1k lamps over it as well as another 1k lamp in the center of the two gulleys ... for 7k total. Though i wouldn't mind putting another (4) 400w HPS bulbs around the two gulley outsides, may or may not happen. The clone tables are 2' x 8' and each has (6) 4' Flouro's [2 bulb] over them. Thanks fer checking it out. The avatar is an unpleasant, though necessary, reminder to the feint of heart.
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[DaGambler]

... and saves money.
now im seeing its a flood and drain system but ure using a drip system too? whys that? jw. ive been battling the decision of which one to go with but u sir are having ur cake and eating it too.
are u running to waste or recirc the runoff?

DIY deffinitely saves money ... i flinch everytime i read about how much people are paying for pre-fab stuff. And i've seen nothing on the market that can perform as well as systems that you can (must) DIY. [Though the "UnderCurrent DWC" setup comes close to ideal ... just add some drip tubes - it uses fast moving recirc water in individual totes ... a bucket or netpot of hygroton in each tote, and an air stone in each tote, with all totes inter-connected. http://www.thcfarmer.com/forums/f8/under-current-hydroponic-system-6925/ ] Would of cost 4800 dollars if I had gone this commercial route to run 48 plants (plus shipping) ... rather than just a few hundred DIY. My totes are sitting unused for now.

The ebb 'n flow and drip combo is a step toward a cadilllac DWC / drip combo that i was looking into that uses 27 gal. totes and lots of bubble action to make big trees in vertical setups that surrround a plant with lights (rather than surrounding a light with plants). Many peeps talked me down from the potential problems of DWC - so i'm doing ebb 'n flow again, but the drip can't hurt and helps to pull down the roots escpecially in the beggining - no need to top water.

They are ebb 'n flow gulleys and all run-off (including drip) goes to the 300 gal. rez (stock tank with a pond liner) below the house.
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[BooMeR242]

DIY deffinitely saves money ... i flinch everytime i read about how much people are paying for pre-fab stuff. And i've seen nothing on the market that can perform as well as systems that you can (must) DIY. [Though the "UnderCurrent DWC" setup comes close to ideal ... just add some drip tubes - it uses fast moving recirc water in individual totes ... a bucket or netpot of hygroton in each tote, and an air stone in each tote, with all totes inter-connected. http://www.thcfarmer.com/forums/f8/under-current-hydroponic-system-6925/ ] Would of cost 4800 dollars if I had gone this commercial route to run 48 plants (plus shipping) ... rather than just a few hundred DIY. My totes are sitting unused for now.

The ebb 'n flow and drip combo is a step toward a cadilllac DWC / drip combo that i was looking into that uses 27 gal. totes and lots of bubble action to make big trees in vertical setups that surrround a plant with lights (rather than surrounding a light with plants). Many peeps talked me down from the potential problems of DWC - so i'm doing ebb 'n flow again, but the drip can't hurt and helps to pull down the roots escpecially in the beggining - no need to top water.

They are ebb 'n flow gulleys and all run-off (including drip) goes to the 300 gal. rez (stock tank with a pond liner) below the house.
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ya thats awesome to save that much cash on a DIY setup. just wish i knew all wtf im doin to build my own shit and save money. but for now ill spend cash just to get everything setup.

thanks for the link im gona check it out and see if i can pikup sum more ideas

 

[#1Raiderfan420]

Yeah, DIY clone tables with 6 mil. plastic sheeting and DIY flower gulleys with Pond Liner ... just put it in place and it stays there. Each gulley is 4' x 10' (using 3 1/2' by 8' on pot footprint) and has (3) 1k lamps over it as well as another 1k lamp in the center of the two gulleys ... for 7k total. Though i wouldn't mind putting another (4) 400w HPS bulbs around the two gulley outsides, may or may not happen. The clone tables are 2' x 8' and each has (6) 4' Flouro's [2 bulb] over them. Thanks fer checking it out. The avatar is an unpleasant, though necessary, reminder to the feint of heart.
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Very nice set-up man. That is a ton of light and obviaously the ladies love it. That pond liner is some tough stuff, I am using as a floor to my current room. I am moving my room soon and will take some examples from you. Thanks.
As for the avatar, I get it now. That makes sense and adds a whole new perspective. lol

 

[Smokiethebear]

Finally got off my ass... Put (5) White Russians in a separate room to finish flowering and put (6) Mr. Nice outside the Gulleys till i can harvest them.

(Above Pic: A T-Loop that feeds the new Drip Setup... makes a giant circle around both gulleys ... equalizing pressure. Added Drip to the Ebb 'N Flow.)

(Above Pic: Made the (2) gulleys each a foot less wide... re-aligned the lights... switched from perlite as a media to Lava Rocks. You can see the drip feeder lines.)

(Above Pic: Plants just transplanted today. I'll likely veg. them in the flower room for up to 2 weeks before flipping the switch to flower.)


Overall - very satisfied with the last ebb 'n flow harvest in perlite. Yielded at least 6 lbs... Probably closer to 7 or 8. Running 7k HPS. Have high hopes for the new Lava medium as well as having added on the drip hybrid ebb 'n flow setup. I'll be flooding every 4 hours and the drip is perpetual. Also looking to add some cages - one to each bucket yet. Still have to throw another 24 of them together.


- DaGambler
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Lookin good in there when I first seen he drip feed I thought you ran out of upgrades now I seen the reason for your madness lol....tell me more about the lava rocks...anything special you need to look for when you buy them? any special treatment before you put them to use?

 

[DaGambler]

Lookin good in there when I first seen he drip feed I thought you ran out of upgrades now I seen the reason for your madness lol....tell me more about the lava rocks...anything special you need to look for when you buy them? any special treatment before you put them to use?

What-up bro. Try to find a brand called "Flower Rocks" or something to that effect ... very small diameter. If you have a choice between two diameters (at Lowe's or Home Depot) choose the smaller of the two diameters. I just rinsed 'em off with non-RO water and filled the buckets half up... held the clone cups in place (with bottoms removed) and back-filled around the cups. No transplant shock what-so-ever. I do believe the drip feeding helped significantly with that... otherwise some of them may not have been positioned adequately.

Also, if you have the option, choose black lava rocks over red lava rocks. (From the 'research' i have done, they are slightly more pH neutral, but people use red lava all the time and have no problems.) Dirt cheap compared to Hydroton ... and people that have used both actually seem to prefer Lava by a small percent.
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