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Time to End "Don't Ask, Don't Tell"
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Babs34
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Religion had to take its place in this naturally. I foresee a national holiday in the next ten years--an entire month set aside for "gay celebration."
Martin Luther King will be rolling in his grave.
Personally, whether or not gays serve is a non-issue to me, as it should be PERIOD.
If a gay person wishes to serve their country, I say....God love em and Bless them.
Babs34
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Stoney McFried
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No, not big circles.Schools,gyms,etc,also separate by sex. Different hygenic needs for men and women.
I get what you're saying.But you don't think straight soldiers share pictures and stories of their wives and children?Why can't gays do that without fear of recrimination?I'm fine with duty being duty and all that shit.But it isn't fair to ask one soldier to keep his personal life back home to himself and not another.they separate the men and women though.
big circles.
Stoney McFried
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And women need sanitary napkins, guys don't.Guys also tend to be less modest,from my experience.I've seen a lot of men's rooms with NO DOORS on the stalls. WTF is up with that? I wouldn't crap where I could be watched.
CrackerJax
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Heh....the military doesn't care about swapping stories.... Now I have gay friends.... but we don't swap stories...
It's about being openly gay ... not stories. It's about UNIT cohesion.... not individuality.
It should not be a reflection of our society. It should be the meanest baddest, most modern and best equipped fighting machine. Then our diplomatic efforts are taken seriously. And lives are saved.
It's about being openly gay ... not stories. It's about UNIT cohesion.... not individuality.
It should not be a reflection of our society. It should be the meanest baddest, most modern and best equipped fighting machine. Then our diplomatic efforts are taken seriously. And lives are saved.
Stoney McFried
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Well, straight soldiers are allowed to be "openly straight." They don't have to keep their mouth shut about that.Why can't an enlisted man admit he's got a husband?
Heh....the military doesn't care about swapping stories.... Now I have gay friends.... but we don't swap stories...
It's about being openly gay ... not stories. It's about UNIT cohesion.... not individuality.
It should not be a reflection of our society. It should be the meanest baddest, most modern and best equipped fighting machine. Then our diplomatic efforts are taken seriously. And lives are saved.
Stoney McFried
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I mean, forgive me guys, I've been accused of having too "simplistic" a view,but(and I'll ask my bro just to make sure, because he was over there fighting)in the heat of battle, I'm sure the last thing a soldier is concerned about is whether the guy next to him likes to swallow swords in his spare time.
then why the fuck does he feel the need to TELL ME ABOUT IT?
i don't think you get it. i love you, but i think you are completely missing the point.
Stoney McFried
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I get it, but I don't see why he should have to HIDE it.If you say "Hey, are you married, private?" He can say, "Yes." Then, if you say,"What's your wife's name?" He should be albe to answer honestly,"I don't have a wife, my husband's name is Brad." And you can both just leave it at that.
CrackerJax
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I'm sure down in the fox hole ... at that point they coud talk about anything. But it's all the points leading up to that point which are problematic.
I posted this earlier but it's worth repeating. This isn't a military policy. This is Congressional law. Passed by a Democrat controlled Congress and signed into law by William Jefferson Clinton.
That was to put this issue to bed
By the way ... it works.
I posted this earlier but it's worth repeating. This isn't a military policy. This is Congressional law. Passed by a Democrat controlled Congress and signed into law by William Jefferson Clinton.
That was to put this issue to bed
By the way ... it works.
why would anyone care what my wife's name was?
why not end it at "are you married?", .. "yes".
why you take it up to the point of sexuality? who the fuck cares?
why do gays insist upon letting us know they are gay? it's as if they seek acceptance.
when i say "i don't care". that means i don't care. in other words, don't tell me.
i don't ask my friend about their sex lives. my best buddy could smoke pole in his free time. i wouldn't know, we don't really go over that stuff together.
gays want to let me known they are gay so i will say "cool". that's what i really see.
let gays in the military. i don't care.
Stoney McFried
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*Shrug*..dunno. My point is, they shouldn't have to live in secrecy.They should be able to take their significant other to the same functions enjoyed by straight soldiers, and should be able to claim benefits for them as well,if applicable.They should enjoy all the rewards their straight counterparts do(including living in the open as they are), because they take the same risks.And that's my point.Sorry if I wasn't clear.
I'm sure down in the fox hole ... at that point they coud talk about anything. But it's all the points leading up to that point which are problematic.
I posted this earlier but it's worth repeating. This isn't a military policy. This is Congressional law. Passed by a Democrat controlled Congress and signed into law by William Jefferson Clinton.
That was to put this issue to bed
By the way ... it works.
CrackerJax
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They aren't living ... they are SERVING.
It exists outside our society.
The military is all about your word, your commitment to the UNIT, not the individual.
It exists outside our society.
The military is all about your word, your commitment to the UNIT, not the individual.
CrackerJax
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Henderson ... get off of him!!
Stoney McFried
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Fine.Then straight soldiers shouldn't claim benefits for their families, or attend functions with them. All should be treated equally.No personal shit should enter into any of it, if it exists outside of our society. They should keep their personal life at home as well,and not expect any better treatment because of their sexual orientation.
Is my point really that incoherent?