For those who support the war on terror

medicineman

medicineman

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Bubafats said:
Wait just a sec " forget the bullshit reasons ... " iraq may have had terroist training camps in its country but guess what , so does saudi arabia , jordan , syria and many different countries in africa. the talaban has used the blood diamond trade for years to make money. But we dont invade then why .. " do you want to see us declare war on 20 countries " thought that was done when bush did his declaration on " the war on terror." the simple fact is bush invaded iraq because bush wanted to, not because there was any threat to the U.S.. " saddam thumbed his nose at the U.N." guess what bro , so did the U.S.. Do you not remember Colin powle addressing the U.N. to gain support for an invasion on Iraq ? Do you not remember the U.N. and more importantly are own allies telling us that we have shown them no reason to invade. But saddam killed all those people in the weapon strike , he used chemical weapons on his own people. So did we , dont you remember seeing pictures from the 40s and 50-s of U.S soldiers staring at a mushroom cloud going of in the nevada desert. But close to 3,000 people died on 9/11 ... but 45,000 died in japan when the first bomb went off and another 30,000 or so died with the second. hitler may have committed the biggest travesties the world has ever seen. but we follow a close second. You support your country and i'm sure you love your goverment, and in the rare moments when you actually pull your head above the sand and see what your goverment really is , i'm sure it scares the shit out of you. the U.S. goverment is a tool of big business. they make choices to aid Big Business and we the people are just cattle in their eyes. the whole systems is unjust and is in need of a total flushing. corruption is the rule of the thumb for the U.S. goverment, its the means by wich business is done in washington, with out kick backs things dont get past. Go To War, but only if theres profit in it , not for the people of this country no no , but for the investors in the defence companies. But you go ahead support your goverment , me personally .. i'm waiting for a revolution to show my support. then i'll show my support by hanging every last one of the bastards in office the same way they hung saddam. Whats the charge you may ask ? treason, against the people they where supposed to serve instead of condim to a world ravaged by their own greed.
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Absolutely the most true post seen here since I posted basically the same info a hundred times. Kudos Buba, you have the knowledge. Spread the word.
 
ccodiane

ccodiane

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Your off your rocker BF. The US government is a tool of the worlds leftists as much as it is a tool for any "big business". Without our funding of your precious UN, it would simply fail to exist. You people are just lucky us Americans can afford to be so ignorant, and that is because of our "big business" capitalist market that you so despise. You would surely cut off your nose to spite your face, loon.
 
ccodiane

ccodiane

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medicineman said:
Absolutely the most true post seen here since I posted basically the same info a hundred times. Kudos Buba, you have the knowledge. Spread the word.
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"Absolutely true....since I posted the same info". Proof positive of your superiority complex. PS- its not a good thing.
 
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m3atwad

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actually around 75,000 japs died from the initial explosion and over a 5 year period around 150,000 died as a result of radiation.- cancer, burns, their bodies being half melted, etc.- that was just hiroshima, the smaller of the two bombs.
 
ViRedd

ViRedd

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m3atwad said:
actually around 75,000 japs died from the initial explosion and over a 5 year period around 150,000 died as a result of radiation.- cancer, burns, their bodies being half melted, etc.- that was just hiroshima, the smaller of the two bombs.
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As a person who lived through WWII, and as one who remembers it well, I'd call that a good start. You can bet that the entire population of Nanking, China would agree with me on that as well. The Rape of Nanking: Introduction

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m3atwad

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oh no doubt its all cool i was just correcting the good fellow.
saved lots of american lives =)
it prevented the war from getting into japan which would have been horrible for the u.s. bad enough with all the island hopping last thing we needed was to invade japan.
 
ccodiane

ccodiane

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m3atwad said:
oh no doubt its all cool i was just correcting the good fellow.
saved lots of american lives =)
it prevented the war from getting into japan which would have been horrible for the u.s. bad enough with all the island hopping last thing we needed was to invade japan.
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Straight up!
 
ViRedd

ViRedd

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You guys wouldn't believe how this country came together during WWII. Everything was done for the war effort. American's sacrificed to no end to defeat the Italians, Germans and Japanese. Most things were rationed. No butter, no tires, no bubble-gum! We saved all the tinfoil we could find and made tinfoil balls the size of beach balls. They were turned in to scrap dealers for $$$. Women saved used cooking fat and returned it to the butchers for recycling into other uses ... like candle making. Because of shortages in the local markets, most homes had "Victory" gardens in their back yard. People raised chickens, turkeys and rabbits for meat ... even in small back yards.

One of the best memories from those times was the great Big Band music ... which I still love to this day.

Oh ... and folks like Nancy Pelosigrad, Harry Reidovich, MedicalMarx and GrowRebelMao would have been run out of town on a rail ... after being tarred and feathered ... IF they survived. :blsmoke:


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m3atwad

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is that why gandhi gained independence for india from england without lifting a finger? peace is accomplishable without war.
some people are just to savage to open their minds to diplomacy
 
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roug314

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Give the Mahatma some credit, he lifted more than his finger. You associate fighting as the only thing that means doing anything without even realizing it. There was also the whole I dunno, forming of Pakistan and mass exodus of Muslims and Hindu's combined with riots. Violence and Revolution are brothers. He merely used Britain's own violence against itself. Globally its hard to garner support for shooting people without guns who want to govern themselves. Do you think this kind of tactic would've worked for the Shiite's under Saddam's regime? Yea right, he maintained his power by manipulating the various factions against each other. We thought taking out the head shark would allow them to get along, what a fucking dumb mistake right. Now the blood is in the water and the people are in a frenzy trying to right wrongs with more wrongs. Do I think the chaos that Iraq is in now, is better than the rigid genocide of Saddams? have to say yes. Do i think we should still be there? Have to say no, but a hesitant one. Really think about the Iraqi people when you answer this. Whats going to happen when we cut lose and get out? Iran is certainly looking for another ally in the region, and what about the people who want democracy? Our problem lies in our 'plan' after we got rid of Saddam. We assumed if we 'cloned' our mother plant (America's Democracy) it would take root in Iraqi soil. That was foolish, democracy must come from the people as a seed, and perhaps the conditions were simply too arid. Either way it is a complex issue and i urge people to try and think about the people involved, and not about some big conspiracy for mercenary corporation Blackwater to kill people. (I don't advocate civilian mercs just sick of the gov't is evil attitude). By the way if we only acted when the UN and our allies wanted to, tell me if you really think anything would be done about anything. The UN sent inspectors into the former Yugoslavia and couldn't see the genocide which was taking place in front of their fucking eyes. What kind of evidence do you need, are the mass graves being found not enough?
 
ccodiane

ccodiane

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Ghandi didn't lift a finger? He was a psychological warrior willing to die for his cause, and in a manner like few others in history. Because of him, among others, much of his own peoples blood was shed in a brutal campaign for independance. And he was victorious. Peace ensued. Lesson over.
 
ccodiane

ccodiane

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roug314 said:
Give the Mahatma some credit, he lifted more than his finger. You associate fighting as the only thing that means doing anything without even realizing it. There was also the whole I dunno, forming of Pakistan and mass exodus of Muslims and Hindu's combined with riots. Violence and Revolution are brothers. He merely used Britain's own violence against itself. Globally its hard to garner support for shooting people without guns who want to govern themselves. Do you think this kind of tactic would've worked for the Shiite's under Saddam's regime? Yea right, he maintained his power by manipulating the various factions against each other. We thought taking out the head shark would allow them to get along, what a fucking dumb mistake right. Now the blood is in the water and the people are in a frenzy trying to right wrongs with more wrongs. Do I think the chaos that Iraq is in now, is better than the rigid genocide of Saddams? have to say yes. Do i think we should still be there? Have to say no, but a hesitant one. Really think about the Iraqi people when you answer this. Whats going to happen when we cut lose and get out? Iran is certainly looking for another ally in the region, and what about the people who want democracy? Our problem lies in our 'plan' after we got rid of Saddam. We assumed if we 'cloned' our mother plant (America's Democracy) it would take root in Iraqi soil. That was foolish, democracy must come from the people as a seed, and perhaps the conditions were simply too arid. Either way it is a complex issue and i urge people to try and think about the people involved, and not about some big conspiracy for mercenary corporation Blackwater to kill people. (I don't advocate civilian mercs just sick of the gov't is evil attitude). By the way if we only acted when the UN and our allies wanted to, tell me if you really think anything would be done about anything. The UN sent inspectors into the former Yugoslavia and couldn't see the genocide which was taking place in front of their fucking eyes. What kind of evidence do you need, are the mass graves being found not enough?
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Whoa, you must have posted right when I started. If I had read this I wouldn't have had to post. Other than the part of democracy not taking hold in Iraq, give it time, I agree. Then they can hate America as a country and not a dictator, if they so choose, and I think it will be pretty soon. Not the hating America part, but the freedom to decide for themselves part.
 
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m3atwad

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didnt lift a finger its an expression - didnt fight.
no violence
actually his campaign was non-violence so..
yeah he didnt
he used civil disobediance to get peace
not violence
 
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roug314

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Gandhi wanted peace, he did not get peace. He got independence though, and in a much less violent manner than ours, but violence there was none the less. Had there been a Muslim leader who could've worked with Gandhi and maintained support, perhaps the situation with Musharaf in Pakistan would be a different one entirely today. I agree with you that peace is the way all humans should treat eachother, just based out of mutual respect. If you look at the real world though, racism is still prevalent, and we have people killing each other because of their beliefs. How do you rationalize with people raised under these conditions, you can't expect them to understand your outlook. Education is the only way, and to build those institutions one needs a decent government which fosters equality and free thinking. That takes time, and it also takes not having evil men in power, yet when is it okay to interfere with a nations sovereignty? What is evil? What the fuck am i talking about? i have to sleep so i can take some exams, i have just been inundated with way too much of this shit, so thought i'd unload some of it. chiefed rant.
 
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Bubafats

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ViRedd said:
As a person who lived through WWII, and as one who remembers it well, I'd call that a good start. You can bet that the entire population of Nanking, China would agree with me on that as well. The Rape of Nanking: Introduction

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Both of my grand fathers were in WWII one of them also went to vietnam and both of them feel that the nukeing of japan was wronge , both agree that carpet bombing would of been just as effective. It would of taken more time. time needed to get the several thousand innocent people out of the area. I know it saved American lives, but at what price. I'm sorry but it was done out of spite. we wanted pay backs for pearl harbor, this ended the war and gave us that much needed since of vengance back. The several thousand people that died in those bombing and the thousands more that died and suffered from the devistation where no more to blame for their goverments actions then the people who died on 9/11 where to blame for theirs. japans a fucking island and to think we couldn't of isolated them and bombed them in to submission is just ignorance. What about the Russians ? They where just as bad if not worse then germany or japan. Why did we not go after them ? russia took thousands of germans P.O.W's that where never heard from again. if we want to think are selfs as a country that truely is the seekers and defenders of peace then why did we not bring true peace to the planet and abolish the really only other threat to world peace at the time ? instead we got our revenge , we secured our allies boarders and let the world fall into the could war. If you did live threw WWII then you saw kennedy get shot, hey way to look out there buddy. thanks for standing up to the goverment and not leting them abuse their power over the people. or where you one of the people that actually still beleave there was only one gunman and the goverment would never lie to us ?
 
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