Coco Growers Unite!

[jberry]

Hey Berry when you re-use your coir, do you clean all the old roots out? I thought about re-using last run, but it was all roots.

Yo Raider,
Really, all roots huh? Usually the center of the pot doesnt have a lot of roots... one it is broken up then you should find that there is more usable coco left over then you think.

I just dump a few pots at a time of the old coco into a big tote, and then I break it all up, removing the majority of roots as i go along... It is actually a lot easier then it sounds... I can do around 100 pots every hour when i have a worker helping.

When your done removing the roots and breaking up the coco, then you can refill the pots...but dont pack the coco too firmly. The coco breaks down over time and at this point doesnt hold as much air as it did when it was new, so pack the pots loose and/or add some perlite if needed... It would be smart to re-inoculate your garden at this point as well.

-Hey Zen, did you ever get my PM about the coco re-use?

 

[Silky Shagsalot]

A.N. already made a coco nutrient called "monkey juice" ...It has since been removed from the market (just like a lot of their products) and is no longer available.

Although they are right in saying that the coco formula should be low in K and high in Calcium and Magnesium. If you look closely, you can see that most nutrient companies claiming their product is a "coco nutrient" are usually still high in K... Do the math and find out what the final NPK ratio is.

i thought they had a coco line, i didn't know they dropped it though. i do remember reading that folks were having problems with it. damn things happen fast!

 

[jberry]

yea, they also dropped Hammerhead and many other "revolutionary" products of theirs... they hype their products with ads and then they discontinue those products by the time everyone is wondering why they paid so much for a common product they could have bought for half the price... Its just like any other scam, when they get caught selling a shitty overpriced product, they simply re-label it as a new and improved product and then start the scam over.

 

[Masterofgenetics]

I am doing a side by side grow with a peat base compared to coco base, I've been running Coco for about 3 years, And I found I like a 3 part mix of verm, perilite, coco that I make myself for two reasons. I buy botanicare's coco bales, which are reasonably cheap, and 4 cubic feet of perilte and vermiculite which only 20 dollars a bag, so 70 bucks I get about 13 to 14 cubic feet of a coco blend. And Im not sure if holds water better or not but right now my plants are drinking about 30 gallons of water every other day.

To Jberry I hate A.N if im going to drop that kind of money I am going to go with house of garden or Canna.. To me A.N is kinda like green house seeds it's about the hype

 

[#1Raiderfan420]

Dude, checked out your journal, oh baby. a screen full of tops. i want it. i just got two questions, on supercropping, and topping.
first how tall do you let them get before you bend them, and two, the nodes on that strain looks pretty close together. how many nodes do you let ithem get up to before you top them. btw nice screen


PEACE!!!
-ZEN-
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Thanks for the compliments Zen. I actually didn't set out to top, but ran into some veg heigth issues so I topped them late. Several nodes. I also pruned most of the lower branches off unless they caought up with the tops. The Mango responds well to topping, but the pk doesn't do as well as it does to supercropping alone. My screen is 14" above my medium so I let them get a couple inched above the screen then I bend the higher shoots back under the screen. I pinch and bend ( super-crop) between the 5 and sixth node usually, but it depends on how fast they are growing. My goal is to have a even canopy after the first two weeks of the stretch. I am still trying to perfect the scrog myself. Thanks again for the props.

Yo Raider,
Really, all roots huh? Usually the center of the pot doesnt have a lot of roots... one it is broken up then you should find that there is more usable coco left over then you think.

I just dump a few pots at a time of the old coco into a big tote, and then I break it all up, removing the majority of roots as i go along... It is actually a lot easier then it sounds... I can do around 100 pots every hour when i have a worker helping.

When your done removing the roots and breaking up the coco, then you can refill the pots...but dont pack the coco too firmly. The coco breaks down over time and at this point doesnt hold as much air as it did when it was new, so pack the pots loose and/or add some perlite if needed... It would be smart to re-inoculate your garden at this point as well.

Thanks Berry! I may try this out. I am still a little scitish because of the Shooting Powder. As for the roots, I am referring to the white roots. They are throughout the coco when I break it in half, but from you explantation, I would don't need to get every little white root out. hmmm, I may try it out on a few pots and see if there is a difference when compared to the new coir. Thanks again!

 

[jberry]

yea, i was a bit scared at first too... try it witha couple first like you said.
i also only use the shooting powder for 2 weeks (6,7) and then i stop using it for the last 7-10 days. This will give you a jump start on leaching the shooting powder and save you some $. Imo there is no reason to be giving your plant that much PK during the last week of its life... its kind of a waste imo, but perhaps there is still some benefit in the vitamins and sugars that the shooting powder contains. Its a expensive product that cost them a nickel to make, so of course they will tell you to use it any time it wont give negative results.

bottom line is try skipping the shooting pow on the last 7-10 days and reusing the coco and you can save some doe.

 

[#1Raiderfan420]

I do the exact same thing. I use at 1/2 strength 3 weeks out and then one week at full strgth and then flush for 7-10 days. I am trying this Bloom Final this run during the flush, which has 0 pk, It is made from plant extract. LOL, yea and h&g charts say to feed right up until the end. It just happens to be the most expensive product. I typically just flush with h20.
They also say to use Root Excel three weeks into flower, I stopped this round when I flipped them and see no degative effects.

 

[jberry]

i use house and garden now, and a few of their supplements. this coco info. is a cut and paste job from g. low's book, "integral hydroponics." my nute store turned me onto some free h&g samples a couple years ago. been sold ever since.

Thats a great starter book (I have posted a bunch of info from Grants book and work). That guy (Grant Low) is full of great info and he grows some seriously huge yielding plants...I'm pretty excited about his next book which will be all about making/mixing your own Hydroponic Nutrient Formulas, as well as Additives and Supplements... No info yet on when it will be available for sale.

 

[Silky Shagsalot]

boy, there is one huge story behind glow. that was his screen name years ago on a site called natures high. he's been around a very long time! he knows how to grow in coco for sure. several small feedings a day is supposed to be the way to go!!

 

[jberry]

I'll bite, what kind of huge story?

 

[bender420]

boy, there is one huge story behind glow. that was his screen name years ago on a site called natures high. he's been around a very long time! he knows how to grow in coco for sure. several small feedings a day is supposed to be the way to go!!

I don't know about the story, but I am quite sure a DTW setup for coco with multiple small feedings throughout the day would work better than anything else on coco. As it would be introducing much more oxygen through out the day.

 

[jberry]

I don't know about the story, but I am quite sure a DTW setup for coco with multiple small feedings throughout the day would work better than anything else on coco. As it would be introducing much more oxygen through out the day.

Yea, it boosts your yield by about ten percent if you are watering correctly and able to do so 3-6 times a day.
For now i'll stick 2 hand watering.

 

[Don Gin and Ton]

without a dripper system who the hell has time to feed 6 times a day shit babies dont eat that many times a day lol

 

[Silky Shagsalot]

Yea, it boosts your yield by about ten percent if you are watering correctly and able to do so 3-6 times a day.
For now i'll stick 2 hand watering.

i "still" hand water too. i want to use pico's pvc drip construction guide over at int. canna. to set one up someday!!!

 

[eza82]

lol. 6 times a day drip feed ? I ues E&B - flood twice a day for 15-20mins with pots and no top feed, coco dose "wick"

 

[bender420]

I know I know 6 times a day is crazy, but guys I was only talking about automatic drippers. I myself only feed my girls once every other day most of the times.

 

[jberry]

I just got some cuttings of "Sour Grapes" . Anyone out there know anything about this strain?

It sounds like a awesome cross but I hope it yields, tastes, and smells awesome too... They are saying the male was a Chemdog x Sour Diesel cross from Elite Genetics and the mother was Jojorizos Purple Elephant clone.

wrong thread, i know.

 

[eza82]

How you been Jberry ?

 

[steve1978]

scribed. coco grower. and i feed mine one litre a day! i like to keep my ladies hungry! lol

 

[XS Brain]

I just got some cuttings of "Sour Grapes" . Anyone out there know anything about this strain?

It sounds like a awesome cross but I hope it yields, tastes, and smells awesome too... They are saying the male was a Chemdog x Sour Diesel cross from Elite Genetics and the mother was Jojorizos Purple Elephant clone.

wrong thread, i know.

Ive seen stuff called that and it was dank. Similar to grape ape. As far as yields idk. And I heard a different purple strain in it not called elephant but a sour diesel cross for sure.