The RIU prop19 poll vote here.(california resident only pleace)

[luvourmother]

Once again, just because you can't tell the difference from a legitimate legalization/decriminalization bill and a commercialization one doesn't mean the rest of us stop using our brains. As a long time proponent of decriminalization and responsible legalization, the potential flows of this bill are all too apparent and the powers granted to local municipalities give them far too much license to circumscribe the lives of the populace regardless of will of the people.



No, instead you'll waste your money on consumption and use taxes and also have to comp the retailer the other associated fees incurred as natural consequence of commercial ventures. No one goes to jail for simple possession. Currently they'll get a misdemeanor and $100 fine. Come January 1, they'll just get a ticket.

Have you read the bill? It is very similar to 215 with the allowances of counties and cities to draft their own legislation. Guess what dude? I am interested in having a LEGITIMATE marijuana business so prop 19 is great for me and others that want to provide quality buds above the law. All of you growers that use 215 as protection are doing exactly that USING and ABUSING the medical system. Under 215 you cannot legally make a profit and most of you growers here do not follow this and profit heavily from selling medicine to patients, sad.
As for decriminalization, yes its great that we won't have to face a judge anymore for small amounts, however possession of small amounts will still result in a criminal record, so its not even close to enough to keep us safe out there.

I am not going to waste any money buying commercialized weed because I will choose to grow my own, just the same as I do now. which will cost me a fraction of the price it currently does bc I want need an expensive dr's rec to have my own plants anymore or to get clones.

 

[TokinPodPilot]

Have you read the bill? It is very similar to 215 with the allowances of counties and cities to draft their own legislation. Guess what dude? I am interested in having a LEGITIMATE marijuana business so prop 19 is great for me and others that want to provide quality buds above the law. All of you growers that use 215 as protection are doing exactly that USING and ABUSING the medical system. Under 215 you cannot legally make a profit and most of you growers here do not follow this and profit heavily from selling medicine to patients, sad.
As for decriminalization, yes its great that we won't have to face a judge anymore for small amounts, however possession of small amounts will still result in a criminal record, so its not even close to enough to keep us safe out there.

Ahh, so not just greedy and profiteering with looking to generate a new business, but also one of the "Prop. 215 is being abused" crowd. Excellent. There is no abuse of the medical system. Anyone and everyone that finds any benefit to their well-being or health is allowed to have a medical recommendation. Those who are not able or are unwilling to grow for themselves look to the growers to provide them with the medicine they need. I fail to see what the problem of them not being able to openly profit off their patients. Where you see abuse, I see people working under the restrictive auspices of not-for-profit models who make a moderate living. I love how you can promote your agenda of profiteering off cannabis users, but demonize those that provide for them now. It's a nice hypocrisy you live your life by.

As far as this notion of a criminal record of your infractions. I'm not even sure I can call that fear-mongering since you'd have to be pretty dense and afraid of everything including shadows to believe that tripe.

I am not going to waste any money buying commercialized weed because I will choose to grow my own, just the same as I do now. which will cost me a fraction of the price it currently does bc I want need an expensive dr's rec to have my own plants anymore or to get clones.

You can and apparently DO do this now. You don't need Prop. 19 to do so and any assumption that it will be less expensive than a recommendation is just your opinion.

 

[luvourmother]

Ahh, so not just greedy and profiteering with looking to generate a new business, but also one of the "Prop. 215 is being abused" crowd. Excellent. There is no abuse of the medical system. Anyone and everyone that finds any benefit to their well-being or health is allowed to have a medical recommendation. Those who are not able or are unwilling to grow for themselves look to the growers to provide them with the medicine they need. I fail to see what the problem of them not being able to openly profit off their patients. Where you see abuse, I see people working under the restrictive auspices of not-for-profit models who make a moderate living. I love how you can promote your agenda of profiteering off cannabis users, but demonize those that provide for them now. It's a nice hypocrisy you live your life by.

As far as this notion of a criminal record of your infractions. I'm not even sure I can call that fear-mongering since you'd have to be pretty dense and afraid of everything including shadows to believe that tripe.



You can and apparently DO do this now. You don't need Prop. 19 to do so and any assumption that it will be less expensive than a recommendation is just your opinion.

You assume a lot here!
anyone that makes a profit off of medical marijuana patients is abusing our current system. Profiting off of medical patients is wrong and against 215. I live in LA where most of the medical providers were shut down because they were not operating under 215, you are vastly mis-informed if you think otherwise.
it is wrong to profit off of medical mj patients, which is why I don't want to make a living this way. Medical patients will still be covered under 19, having investments in a for profit recreational marijuana business is not hypocritical , it is wanting to follow the laws.

 

[The Ruiner]

I am re-posting this here because I dont know if too many people saw it or not. I had posted this in its own thread yesterday...

The Ruiners' Hypothetical Questions to 19 Supporters

Since there is so much debate over the 5x5 and cultivation in general, and the (possible) overlap between that part of the bill and the CUA/MMP, if 19 passes, will people still be able to get doctors rec's and, by what everyone is saying, cultivate however much they want, without restrictions in regards to growing space? Therefore, in order to be part of the action in commerce, ordinary people will simply need to get a doctors rec to grow, and distribute as much as they possibly can to dispensaries and other patients, and quite possibly to the "black market" ? What would be the point of passing all new legislation that can be so easily cast aside? What good does 19 do the state, if all it takes to avoid what will more than likely be thousands of dollars in taxes annually is a $35 doctors rec? Wouldn't that just be, as supporters of the bill have put it "more of the same"? Also, how could the commercial interests backing 19 benefit from making it legal for the entire 21 and over population of the state to possess cannabis if they cant possibly compete with a market that has way more advantages in regards to abundant supply and more relaxed regulations? On the flip side of this coin, what will be the motivation for the "casual smoker" to patronize the commercial establishments, with their elevated overhead and strict regulatory scrutiny which will more than likely spell higher prices, versus just getting the doctors rec and going medical?

It just doesnt make sense to me that people with millions riding on the passage and eventual commercial sales of MJ to leave a less regulated and more than likely less expensive competitor. It doesnt make sense to make things harder on yourself, and to pay millions of dollars to do it. It just doesn't make sense for 19 to leave 215 intact if EVERYTHING that is being SAID about 215 being left intact is true.

I would really appreciate someone who fancies themselves as well-versed in 19 to respond.​

So, I did say "millions", but in reality its billions of dollars....which to me makes 19 make less sense...still waiting for answers though!

 

[tc1]

The Yes vote is pulling away ....

 

[khm916]

If we only can get 62% on a MARIJUANA GROWING SITE....that only has pro marijuana members, How does anyone expect this to pass in the real world.

 

[klmmicro]

This is not a good cross section of the general population. Read through many of the threads about Prop 19 on this site and you will see that many voting "no" have reasons to vote no. Some are in jeopardy of losing their livelihood, hence they want things to stay as they are. Some are anti anything that says "business" and see it as evil. Instead of paying attention to anything here, ask people who are not closely associated with "pot" and see what they say.

 

[innout]

im voteing yes. i cant believe people are voting no on this.

 

[TokinPodPilot]

I'm voting no. I can't believe that people still can't tell the difference between a decriminalization/legalization bill and a commercialization/industrialization bill.

 

[mr2shim]

If we only can get 62% on a MARIJUANA GROWING SITE....that only has pro marijuana members, How does anyone expect this to pass in the real world.

It's because the people who are voting no have fallen prey to mass hysteria or think they are going to lose money if it passes.

I'm voting no. I can't believe that people still can't tell the difference between a decriminalization/legalization bill and a commercialization/industrialization bill.

I do and I get it, If marijuana is ever going to be legal it will have to be commercialized and industrialized just like alcohol and tobacco. Politicians and lobbiest could care less about you me or anyone else who uses it for normal purposes and not to get rich. This WORLD is built on money, money money. If you think a bill will ever pass to make marijuana just legal and not a industrial, you are really delusional.

 

[tc1]

Marijuana users make up a very small minority of registered voters.

If Prop 19 passes, it will be because average Joes and Janes believe this war is lost, costing money and ruining the lives of peaceful people

62% is pretty good for a site with a lot of 215 patients and growers. (most of the anti-prop 19'ers inside the marijuana community)

 

[d r0cK]

vote yes. its for the good of CA. it opens a whole new industry for growth, jobs, income and numerous benefits... puts wasted money, in a war that will never be won, towards more important deeds. given the financial situation of CA it can only help. it's not about you, it's about all of us.

 

[fatfarmer]

Dealers look out for #1. Thats why they say NO! I just want to be free to do what I feel is good for me and my love ones around me. Do we that live in states that fuck you for a joint not have same rights as all MMJ users do? wish I did! Tokers are to stand together till this war is over for all of us.Please free us we are in pain and stress and all we can do is take a doc. pill or drink and both are bad and no better then pot .Help us please!

 

[newatit2010]

I don't live in California but I would vote NO. Somebody is trying to fuck up what you all have going.

 

[veggiegardener]

I don't live in California but I would vote NO. Somebody is trying to fuck up what you all have going.

Finally!

Someone who can see beyond his next doobie!

 

[desert dude]

I don't live in California but I would vote NO. Somebody is trying to fuck up what you all have going.

I do live in California and I ALREADY DID VOTE YES. We are never going to end the horrific drug war by sitting on our asses saying, "wait till the next ballot initiative, that one will be totally awesome..." Herer's initiative won't be on 2012 ballot.

Prop 19 is your chance to begin to end the drug war. If you are not part of the narco-prison complex then vote yes on P19.

 

[Sure Shot]

I got 8lbs of doobies, and would still vote yes.
If they hadn't taken that right,.......... for possession of marijuana!

 

[desert dude]

Why is this poll "closed"?

 

[The Ruiner]

If you are not part of the narco-prison complex then vote yes on P19.

Wow...again with the "With us or against us" demagoguery.

 

[GNOME GROWN]

im not from cali,i also didnt read much up on this,but can someone please explain why u would want to vote no?...isnt prop19 for legalization of marijuana?!?