wow i didn't know people were so passionately cock riding big business seed companies or i'd of never said anything. my bad. i can see your point but you don't have to get mouthy..
some of you should find better ways of presenting your side of a debate than 'if you disagree, you're just stupid'. thats not actually a debate, thats more of just shit talkery on the internet..an even lesser form of e thugging. for those of you who brought vallid points to the conversation and gave me points of view i hadn'y considered, thanks. the rest of you, you're probably lonely underage kids still at home with mommy and daddy and just haven't had the life experiences that teach you to be respectful in a debate or converation yet. i forgive you
Whatever you do... live by what you preach, don't insult back. Just saying.
You know, i honestly think i do too. i just don't see any reciprocation so i forget that i'm doing it sometimes. we're socialists!!!!!
so, the first part there..and i'm just assuming you own a seed broker/company by the way you're posting, i dont know you at all. you truly believe that as a retailer of cannabis seeds to the united states, you are 'under the gun' of the american law and you're basically sneaking around getting away with crimes because they just can't catch you? or is that what you'd just like everyone to believe so you can justify, to them, the price of your seeds? i dont really understand..you see, i've spoken to seed bank owners in canada which is just across the pond for me, and they've always remained that the american DEA doesn't give a shit about seed sales. not unless you start speaking of revolution and overgrowing the government like you know who.
i'm honestly not trying to be a dick dude, i'm just wondering. back during prohibition, rum runners got caught all the time. major ones with TONS of product. that hasn't happened in the seed world since marc emery (that i know of) and its not because the DEA just can't catch you guys. your stealth packages are great, but come on..its the fucking DEA, if they want you, you're had. they could just as easily go online and buy one of your ten packs as the next guy.
my only point is this "risk" seed companies/brokers claim to be taking IS a real risk, but HOW MUCH of a big risk? feel me? like sure, the cops could run into Mellow Yellow and take everything that isn't nailed down legally, but are they going to? no. the american DEA could shut down all the major seed companies tomorrow and send everyone to prison for ever and ever and ever, but they wont..probably because it'd cause more of a stoner revolution than it would do 'good' but thats another topic.
so yeah, i'm not trying to be an asshole, like i said. i would just really like to understand the reason behind 8-20 dollar pot seeds being sold by 'stoners'.
The problem with your 'debate' is it isn't much of a debate at all. The fact of the matter is, there is a lot that goes into this & your not understanding. From someone who owns a business himself, you should know a lot more, which makes me hesitant to believe that in the first place. Not that it matters what I do or don't believe. Moving on, whether you say the US doesn't give a shit or not, the only ones they care about are people like Marc Emery, your very very wrong. You have done close to no research on the topic I can see. You only know of 1 person getting caught, but have you really looked into the history of it? Probably not, Emery was not the first to be caught from out of state & is certainly not the first to be spending more then 3+ years in a PRISON not JAIL but PRISON for they're 'bean' sells. Please, do not spit utter BS when you have no facts of this BS... because as someone who knows & has done research & watches the news regularly [& I'm not talking FOX news, ABC, BS] I'm talking CNBC & the real stuff... many seed companies have been raided, shut down, & arrests have been made, across state lines, by the US. So don't tell me they don't give a shit, they're catching anyone/everyone they can, the DEA isn't stupid, they have a theory... the best way to take down the dealers is going to the roots & in they're eyes, one of those roots is seed sellers. Have you ever watched STING operations? They catch the small time dealer & make that dude tell them where the bigger dude is, etc etc until they get to the King Pin, the dude distributing the originals... the seeds are the originals. This goes for any drugs... so please, enough with your fake facts.
Not trying to be rude to you, but it's getting annoying...
As for you saying you want to know why seeds are sold for $8-20 by stoners... again, where are these facts coming from? I, for one... use to sell cocaine, but did not snort cocaine, who says that the dealers are stoners? Who says that the little Chinese dude who sells knock-off brand shoes, wears those shoes? More utter BS by you. Now, this isn't even relevant, so I won't spend more time on it, just showing you how confused you are & how little you know. Pick up a magazine, read a book, anything on seed companies & you would understand better that that business is not as clear-cut as it sounds.
Hell, I picked up a Skunk magazine this week & read an article on a seed dealer, a big one in fact & even he's not rich. So where do you get off saying they're rich? This dude produces thousands of seeds, but they don't produce them daily like you think. This dude admits in his interview that he's been doing this, running this business since 1984 & still couldn't move to the states & live comfortably on what he has made, because of investment in the company. He goes on to tell readers that he constantly has to relocate his grow op, meaning he has to constantly CHOP DOWN his plants & restart from scratch every few weeks/months. Taking only what he has with him to breed in the new location. Then, he has to find a new location, he has to buy that location, which in most cases is acres of land, which isn't cheap, then sell old locations for less then purchased price just weeks/months before. You seem to think these guys run a legit operation out of a warehouse, your wrong. Then he goes on to say that it can take him anywhere from 2-4 years to come up with a new strain, because of all the mix-breeding to stay on top of the game over other seed companies, so they are constantly testing new breeds, meaning they are constantly buying nutes, bug sprays, & everything else that goes into keeping a plant healthy & alive. Why? Because he also has to give a review on the new strain... meaning, if he releases a new strain called 'Love Potion #1" he has to tell consumers how easy the grow is, how much it yields, how prone it is to mold/mildew, how much it produces outside as apposed to indoor, color, smoke, etc. Is that easy? No, that also takes months for the initial grow itself & hundreds of thousands of dollars in nutes & other materials [because he has about 10 different strains being made at once] & if one of those strains dies, mildews, etc. it can become a dud, how do you find out if it is a dud strain? You regrow it, if it easily dies again, then you know it's not a strain worth putting on the market because it is a unhealthy type of strain, impossible to grow due to genetics, therefore, you just spent 2 cycles now, on one strain, that's 6-months as apposed to 3.
So this dude invests all his money into helping us, he invests all his time into helping us have new strains, he invests risks in shipping to us, he invests his life basically & what does he get in return? Not much, he doesn't even have enough to move to the states & live comfortably, he even states that 'Many people think we are rich, were simply not... I been doing this since 1984, I probably have a few thousand to my name' does that sound rich for someone doing it for over 20+ years & is one of the TOP SEED COMPANIES in the world? No. Lawyers make more then these dudes. The only reason they do it, is because to them, it's a fucking HOBBY! Most of them don't even have employees, they work alone, you try to manage 400 plants, while cross breeding 20+, while testing 10, while watching your back from FEDS, while shipping orders, while moving locations, then tell me it's easy & not worth a measly $8-20 a seed. Fuck, this dude deserves $50 a seed off everything he puts into it & how much WE GET BACK after the grow.
I think you think that the operation is like Wal-Mart, ran from a field/warehouse with employees all over watching, caring, & shipping like a legit business. This is the farthest thing from legit & it's not ran that way, it's ran from a field, sure, but by 1 or 2 people... not 5, 10, or 100. When you go into business with a friend, only 1... & you manage 400 plants, while managing shipping orders, like I said, while not getting caught, while buying estate, while staying under the radar, while buying gallons of nutes & not looking suspicious.... then come back & tell us it isn't worth it.
EDIT; Just went back to rehash the article, he actually runs 1,500 plants by himself! Not 400, so I was incorrect, but that alone makes my statement stronger. I doubt you can even manage 400 plants, let alone 1,500, & every few months you have to relocate, meaning all 1,500 go to the garbage. So, is it still NOT worth it? Come on...
; my retort is that I do know what it's like, Junior.
