Variety Grow - Perpetual, "Mini" ScrOG's, DWC in a Cabinet (First Timer)

jsgamber

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damn that SOG1 sure is looking great :D i am sure blue dream will catch up real quick now!!!
I know, right? Spoken in my best teenage girl voice

I picked off a couple of dead bugs from her roots. #2 and #3 aren't far behind but the topping I did on them didn't take like it did on #1. I'm going to top everything again today to see if I can't get more bushiness.

Now that things are growing I've raised the plants up closer to the lights and they are running full strength nutes. Now I need to start looking ahead.

My plan for the first round is to focus all my timings based on the plant doing the best rather than sit back and wait for the others to "catch up" in veg. Since #1 is going to be ready to go flower first (possibly by the end of this week), that will be the schedule I run and the rest of the plants will have to go along and catch up during flower.

Maybe it will reduce overall plant yield, but I also think it will be interesting to watch and learn. I've never experienced this before, never actually seen a flowering Cannabis plant before. So my goal is to grow at least one perfect plant and to have all four living at harvest. What I DON'T want to learn how to do, for my first flower, is control a maniacal plant that wants to grow 5 feet in 2 feet of space, IYKWIM. ;) ;)

:peace:
 

TheJointProject

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Your first flowerer huh? Boy are you gonna be like a kid on christmas morning each day during their flower cycle.
Enjoy it bro, There's nothing like your first time.....LOL
 

jsgamber

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Your first flowerer huh? Boy are you gonna be like a kid on christmas morning each day during their flower cycle.
Enjoy it bro, There's nothing like your first time.....LOL
Yup. My flower cherry is being popped! 8)

Here's the morning shot of the middle cab. I pinched a couple tops. I've also moved the best plants to the middle. BD needs to stretch out a bit.

BD and SOG #2


SOG #1 and SOG #3
 

jsgamber

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This is crazy shit! The tips of SOG #1 are growing at about 1" per 12 hours! I have to keep poking them down under the screen. I have 30 out of 40 squares filled out and there are at least 2 nodes under each square. What am I going to do with 60 to 80 colas? ;) (wishful thinking)
 

gumball

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you are gonna be a flowering mofo!!! now you need to start reading up on harvesting and curing!!! has anyone shown you the way of "drowning" your plants?
 

jsgamber

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you are gonna be a flowering mofo!!! now you need to start reading up on harvesting and curing!!! has anyone shown you the way of "drowning" your plants?
Are you talking about water curing? I was just looking into that yesterday....
Not yet. But believe me, what ever the "old school" tried and true method of getting through harvest in my middle cab in order to produce even a minimum of 1 gram (hey low expectations give a better feeling when you exceed them) of premium medical grade marijuana, that's the path I'll follow for now. I have to get this grow under my belt and then we start experimenting. ;) :bigjoint:

BD has roots in water and so does F-13#2! :D I pinched the growing tips on all of the F-13's because I want immediate branching. I now see the benefits in ScrOG'ing based in SOG#1 results. They have also been enrolled in "finishing school" to readjust their posture. (Why do I have this urge to don black leather pants, a spike studded collar and a whip?) :-P

So how about some pics? :)

BD and SOG#2


SOG#1 and SOG#3


A view across the canopy of SOG#1. Any branches pointing upward above the screen is the amount of new growth from last night after tucking them back under. OMG I used the word canopy in reference to my own grow! :weed:


A view below the screen in "the jungle". How many nodes can you count? I'm counting about 50. The hope is that when all of these nodes are allowed to grow upwards, they will each receive equal lighting and all become mini-colas. How much dry bud can someone get from 50 24" colas? I have no idea.


Now upwards to the F-13 girls. It appears that the "over-watering" condition has been resolved. #1's leaves have returned to that soft fuzzy feel. They are all a bit yellow while they wait to get their roots down fully.


And some close-ups



 

jsgamber

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So here's a question for you experienced people. SOG#1 is 12" tall if you measure from the base along the main stem and out to the longest branching stem from where she was topped. All tips are growing 1" per day. I have 20-24" of grow space above the screen.

My question. If I want 24" colas, MAX, when should I consider starting 12/12 to get that 24" height without overwhelming the cab? In other words how many days (on average) into 12/12 does the plant stop stretching? I'm trying to "back in" to the 24" height and I'm not sure what to expect!
 

oOBe RyeOo

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Not yet. But believe me, what ever the "old school" tried and true method of getting through harvest in my middle cab in order to produce even a minimum of 1 gram (hey low expectations give a better feeling when you exceed them) of premium medical grade marijuana, that's the path I'll follow for now. I have to get this grow under my belt and then we start experimenting. ;) :bigjoint:

BD has roots in water and so does F-13#2! :D I pinched the growing tips on all of the F-13's because I want immediate branching. I now see the benefits in ScrOG'ing based in SOG#1 results. They have also been enrolled in "finishing school" to readjust their posture. (Why do I have this urge to don black leather pants, a spike studded collar and a whip?) :-P

So how about some pics? :)

BD and SOG#2


SOG#1 and SOG#3


A view across the canopy of SOG#1. Any branches pointing upward above the screen is the amount of new growth from last night after tucking them back under. OMG I used the word canopy in reference to my own grow! :weed:


A view below the screen in "the jungle". How many nodes can you count? I'm counting about 50. The hope is that when all of these nodes are allowed to grow upwards, they will each receive equal lighting and all become mini-colas. How much dry bud can someone get from 50 24" colas? I have no idea.


Now upwards to the F-13 girls. It appears that the "over-watering" condition has been resolved. #1's leaves have returned to that soft fuzzy feel. They are all a bit yellow while they wait to get their roots down fully.


And some close-ups



You're just a beast with those paper clips... I swear I've seen you use them for 50% of your cab. HAHA

Looking good!
 

gumball

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So here's a question for you experienced people. SOG#1 is 12" tall if you measure from the base along the main stem and out to the longest branching stem from where she was topped. All tips are growing 1" per day. I have 20-24" of grow space above the screen.

My question. If I want 24" colas, MAX, when should I consider starting 12/12 to get that 24" height without overwhelming the cab? In other words how many days (on average) into 12/12 does the plant stop stretching? I'm trying to "back in" to the 24" height and I'm not sure what to expect!
The stretch is said to occur within the first 3-4 weeks of 12/12, sometimes longer of course depending on strain. Maybe lower the light schedule half to a full hour a day until you hit 12/12???
 

jsgamber

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The stretch is said to occur within the first 3-4 weeks of 12/12, sometimes longer of course depending on strain. Maybe lower the light schedule half to a full hour a day until you hit 12/12???
So let me see if I have this thinking right and let's assume worst case scenario, 1" growth per day and 4 weeks (28 days) of stretch. That's 28" of possible growth. If I were to do the light reduction method, when should I plan on the 3 - 4 weeks of stretch to start/end? Is it the day I hit the 12/12 mark? If that were the case, then 12 days getting to 12/12 + 28 days of stretch would be 40" of possible height?

I know, lot's of questions, but it's how I get my arms around it. I'm trying to stay on the conservative side and shoot for 20" colas. This way if I come up short during the stretch, I'll take note of it for next time. I just don't want to get into wrestling with unruly plants and if I have dialed in my setup like I think I have, it could go wild really fast! I want bulk, not height!

So here's what I'm thinking and help adjust my thinking if I'm off base. First time out I'll go straight to 12/12 with no reduction. It's been done this way successfully for years and I want to see what it's like first time out. I'll assume a 28 day stretch, starting at 1"/day and hopefully the stretch decelerates and I get between 20" to 24" colas. Any flaws with this thinking, conservatively speaking?


In the mean time, I've just finished mounting and wiring up my new 400w CMH ballast and bulb and gave it a quick fire up (which almost literally happened because of the towel the bulb was sitting on for cushioning). :-o

Now I'll build up the case and fan for it. Next step after the ballast will be to build the cool tube assembly. Then assemble the cabinet doors and mount them. Hopefully all will be done by this evening. I've been taking pics along the way.

Then and only then can I incessantly tweak it from here to eternity. :bigjoint:
 

gumball

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Are you talking about water curing? I was just looking into that yesterday....
no not actually water curing. riddleme has shared some information about the effects of oxidation and fermentation as they apply to the curing of our plants. A lot of it went over my head, but I got the jist of it. there are 2 things that he found, and several have tried them. 1st and easiest method is to literally drown your plant for the last week or so of its life. In soil that means constantly keeping it watered, or putting the pot into a larger pot and fill the larger pot full of water until the pot the plant is in is "drowned" This is where the oxidation part comes in, if I remember correctly. the plant is starved of oxygen, and it is forced to live off the reserves it has built up in the plant. He has posted a bunch of scattered info on his Calling all noobs thread, and his Balls to the Wall thread.

the other method is similar to the method used to cure tobacco. they literally pile the tobacco up in a closed room that gets more and less airflow, and humidity , and temperature. All these factors depend on each other to properly cure the tobacco. He calls it his fermentation chamber. I can vouch for this, and next harvest should be even better. I didnt have enough buds (lonly 10 gram harvest, but it was GOOOOOD :D) so I had to use lettuce (mostly water) to pile onto the buds, and you DONT trim anything off the buds until they are dry. In 5 days, my bud was dried and cured. My wife sampled it, and she will tell me quick if bud is good or bad, and she said it was some of the best we have had. it was bag seed too, too bad the reveg didnt take!!

sorry so long, but you should look into it further if interested cause I could have posted much, much more. Be warned, this is not complete, except for the drowning part, so dont try this without a little more research. I am sure gamber dont mind, now he has a reference to come back to.

So let me see if I have this thinking right and let's assume worst case scenario, 1" growth per day and 4 weeks (28 days) of stretch. That's 28" of possible growth. If I were to do the light reduction method, when should I plan on the 3 - 4 weeks of stretch to start/end? Is it the day I hit the 12/12 mark? If that were the case, then 12 days getting to 12/12 + 28 days of stretch would be 40" of possible height?

I know, lot's of questions, but it's how I get my arms around it. I'm trying to stay on the conservative side and shoot for 20" colas. This way if I come up short during the stretch, I'll take note of it for next time. I just don't want to get into wrestling with unruly plants and if I have dialed in my setup like I think I have, it could go wild really fast! I want bulk, not height!

So here's what I'm thinking and help adjust my thinking if I'm off base. First time out I'll go straight to 12/12 with no reduction. It's been done this way successfully for years and I want to see what it's like first time out. I'll assume a 28 day stretch, starting at 1"/day and hopefully the stretch decelerates and I get between 20" to 24" colas. Any flaws with this thinking, conservatively speaking?


In the mean time, I've just finished mounting and wiring up my new 400w CMH ballast and bulb and gave it a quick fire up (which almost literally happened because of the towel the bulb was sitting on for cushioning). :-o

Now I'll build up the case and fan for it. Next step after the ballast will be to build the cool tube assembly. Then assemble the cabinet doors and mount them. Hopefully all will be done by this evening. I've been taking pics along the way.

Then and only then can I incessantly tweak it from here to eternity. :bigjoint:
that sounds like a good plan for the first time. but I can tell you from experience, and I think a few others have witnessed this, that backing down a half or an hour a day I have seen preflowers days before I hit 12/12, like at 14/12. This isnt the rule, but the majority of the experience.

Plus, I know you are seeing this growth now, but the general consensus is that the plant will double, and maybe triple in size in the first month of flower. That may equate to one inch of growth a day for the first month of flower, but it may be more or less. all food for thought.


oh, if you want to drown a plant in hydro for that curing method, easy, turn off the air pumps, no oxygen!!


damn that was a lot. I could have rambled on and on too. good information at least.
 

jsgamber

Active Member
no not actually water curing. riddleme has shared some information about the effects of oxidation and fermentation as they apply to the curing of our plants. A lot of it went over my head, but I got the jist of it. there are 2 things that he found, and several have tried them. 1st and easiest method is to literally drown your plant for the last week or so of its life. In soil that means constantly keeping it watered, or putting the pot into a larger pot and fill the larger pot full of water until the pot the plant is in is "drowned" This is where the oxidation part comes in, if I remember correctly. the plant is starved of oxygen, and it is forced to live off the reserves it has built up in the plant. He has posted a bunch of scattered info on his Calling all noobs thread, and his Balls to the Wall thread.

the other method is similar to the method used to cure tobacco. they literally pile the tobacco up in a closed room that gets more and less airflow, and humidity , and temperature. All these factors depend on each other to properly cure the tobacco. He calls it his fermentation chamber. I can vouch for this, and next harvest should be even better. I didnt have enough buds (lonly 10 gram harvest, but it was GOOOOOD :D) so I had to use lettuce (mostly water) to pile onto the buds, and you DONT trim anything off the buds until they are dry. In 5 days, my bud was dried and cured. My wife sampled it, and she will tell me quick if bud is good or bad, and she said it was some of the best we have had. it was bag seed too, too bad the reveg didnt take!!

sorry so long, but you should look into it further if interested cause I could have posted much, much more. Be warned, this is not complete, except for the drowning part, so dont try this without a little more research. I am sure gamber dont mind, now he has a reference to come back to.



that sounds like a good plan for the first time. but I can tell you from experience, and I think a few others have witnessed this, that backing down a half or an hour a day I have seen preflowers days before I hit 12/12, like at 14/12. This isnt the rule, but the majority of the experience.

Plus, I know you are seeing this growth now, but the general consensus is that the plant will double, and maybe triple in size in the first month of flower. That may equate to one inch of growth a day for the first month of flower, but it may be more or less. all food for thought.


oh, if you want to drown a plant in hydro for that curing method, easy, turn off the air pumps, no oxygen!!


damn that was a lot. I could have rambled on and on too. good information at least.
Honestly, honestly, honestly. Ramble as much as you want. It's when people ramble where I assimilate more knowledge, I use common sense, and my deep knowledge of the physical sciences as well as my technical design skills and I can literally "see" in my brain what needs to be done.

It's how it works for me in the IT world. I'm the guy who sits in a meeting (requirements or design) in the back corner for 3 hours listening to everyone babble about what they want and begin to fight about how to do it. After 3 hours most people get tired and want the meeting to end. This is when I usually pipe up for the first time and ask "Do you mind if I speak about what I just heard and a few ideas I have?" After 22 years at one place, the old timers knew to whip out their notepads and listen to me for 5 minutes because they knew that whatever they needed, I was going to give them what they wanted and how to do it the right way.

The best part is when a newcomer is in the meeting and tries to argue with me, only to have an old timer stop him and say "did you hear what he just said?" only to have the newcomer think for a moment and realize "holy shit, that's a good idea!"

I love what I do!! :)

PS. The good news is most highly focused individuals, especially those under the influence of a good Sativa/Indica hybrid, are highly intelligent. I can read the intelligence in a good many of you who post in my thread. Think of what you have to "know" to grow pot. Physics, electro-mechanical, chemistry, project management, finance and accounting, biology, botany and more! Those that grow successfully are highly intelligent individuals. Those of us learning to grow are increasing in our knowledge and our intelligence. We are destined to grow beyond what we once were!

In other words, it's life and prosperity, through the eyes of a Cannabis plant! :bigjoint:
 

gumball

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Honestly, honestly, honestly. Ramble as much as you want. It's when people ramble where I assimilate more knowledge, I use common sense, and my deep knowledge of the physical sciences as well as my technical design skills and I can literally "see" in my brain what needs to be done.

It's how it works for me in the IT world. I'm the guy who sits in a meeting (requirements or design) in the back corner for 3 hours listening to everyone babble about what they want and begin to fight about how to do it. After 3 hours most people get tired and want the meeting to end. This is when I usually pipe up for the first time and ask "Do you mind if I speak about what I just heard and a few ideas I have?" After 22 years at one place, the old timers knew to whip out their notepads and listen to me for 5 minutes because they knew that whatever they needed, I was going to give them what they wanted and how to do it the right way.

The best part is when a newcomer is in the meeting and tries to argue with me, only to have an old timer stop him and say "did you hear what he just said?" only to have the newcomer think for a moment and realize "holy shit, that's a good idea!"

I love what I do!! :)

PS. The good news is most highly focused individuals, especially those under the influence of a good Sativa/Indica hybrid, are highly intelligent. I can read the intelligence in a good many of you who post in my thread. Think of what you have to "know" to grow pot. Physics, electro-mechanical, chemistry, project management, finance and accounting, biology, botany and more! Those that grow successfully are highly intelligent individuals. Those of us learning to grow are increasing in our knowledge and our intelligence. We are destined to grow beyond what we once were!

In other words, it's life and prosperity, through the eyes of a Cannabis plant! :bigjoint:
so your google :D
 

Danielsgb

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One thing I would add is the stretch going into flowering seems to have spurts of growth. As in it seems like they will stretch, recover & prep, then overnight a stretch again. So 1/2", 1/2", rest, 1", 1/4", rest, rest, 1/2". It is also strain dependent as gumball said. This SS I'm growing now is known to stretch one last time big the last 2 weeks. This PR has stopped it's stretch at 4 weeks into 12/12. It's a tall sativa dominant though. My SS were 10" at 12/12 so I'm praying we stay under 30", but #4 has to be 20" & just showed sex. Hope that stoned rambling helps.
Daniels
 

jsgamber

Active Member
One thing I would add is the stretch going into flowering seems to have spurts of growth. As in it seems like they will stretch, recover & prep, then overnight a stretch again. So 1/2", 1/2", rest, 1", 1/4", rest, rest, 1/2". It is also strain dependent as gumball said. This SS I'm growing now is known to stretch one last time big the last 2 weeks. This PR has stopped it's stretch at 4 weeks into 12/12. It's a tall sativa dominant though. My SS were 10" at 12/12 so I'm praying we stay under 30", but #4 has to be 20" & just showed sex. Hope that stoned rambling helps.
Daniels
It does help.

So if I were to synthesize the advice, the real answer seems to be "it depends". :lol:

So I'm going to look at my goal (no crazy plants to deal with) and the above information and I think my plan is sound. So I will be going 12/12 by Sunday assuming SOG#1's screen is full. Based on the above information, I should expect 20" of upward growth and that's what I want.

:peace:
 

jsgamber

Active Member
I need to put together my new 400w CMH ballast box (it's an HPS kit). I thought I'd detail out the steps a bit.

I bought the kit online through HTG Supply and it's a really nice complete kit which includes the 5K mogul socket! Plus it was cheap and they upgraded to the 3-day shipping for free! :)


Install the mounting bracket.


A quick layout to mark where to drill the holes


The holes drilled. I'm using small black rubber bushings to minimize vibration on the mount for the core. The capacitor and igniter are installed with zip ties.


And it's all mounted.


Everything's all wired up and tied up. Time to fire it up for a test. Please observe that everything is grounded, the socket and the mounting bracket! Don't forget to do this!!!


It works!!!!


Ooops! Almost burned up the towel!!


Today I'll finish up putting the outside sheet metal case and cooling fan.

:peace:
 

gumball

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It does help.

So if I were to synthesize the advice, the real answer seems to be "it depends". :lol:

So I'm going to look at my goal (no crazy plants to deal with) and the above information and I think my plan is sound. So I will be going 12/12 by Sunday assuming SOG#1's screen is full. Based on the above information, I should expect 20" of upward growth and that's what I want.

:peace:
12/12 baby, now shits gonna get interesting :mrgreen:
 

jsgamber

Active Member
Here's some pics from last night. Time to push today's new growth back under the screen.

SOG#1 before


SOG#1 after


SOG#2 before


SOG#2 after


SOG#3 after - forgot the before shot. :bigjoint:


I haven't opened up the cab this morning so I'm not sure what to expect!!
 
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