hellraizer30
Rebel From The North
hmm im half canadian and im not very mellow. but on the not so bright side I just sprung a leak earlyer and flooded my roomWe're never melllow
with 55 gal of nutes
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with 55 gal of nutes
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Ferredoxin
Active Member
This is awesome.
BTW - Cl is actually listed as a micronutrient in plant health.... http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC540579/
Not endorsing the use of Cl in hydro - i use 35% H2O2 like many other reputable growers - but I think the whole Cl and plant problems issue has probably been blown a bit out of proportion. If you use a 2% solution to clean your equip and follow with a good rinse, you are not going to see any problems.
BTW - Cl is actually listed as a micronutrient in plant health.... http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC540579/
Not endorsing the use of Cl in hydro - i use 35% H2O2 like many other reputable growers - but I think the whole Cl and plant problems issue has probably been blown a bit out of proportion. If you use a 2% solution to clean your equip and follow with a good rinse, you are not going to see any problems.
nahikuroots
Member
IMHO I would prefer to sort through 125 pages of scientific theory from accredited professionals vs unverified opinions, an editing or compiling of FAQ's could be helpful if there was a Mod who was inspired.
Of course the more data that is provided, the more trustworthy the source. Who amongst us would not prefer to know why something works vs being told it has always worked? Those type of claims could easily be due to correlation and not causality. More data is always desirable because science has no ego, it only deals with what can be proven through strenuous testing. Also thousands of products are sold every day claiming millions of unsubstantiated effects so that is not a logical basis for any calculation in this area. We are faced with enough variables as it is so we could all stand to have a little discipline when it comes to relaying information. Unfortunately and humorously a friend of mine once pointed out that this situation is similar to NASCAR, we all have our own theories and methods but most of us end up doing the same speed around the track. Thank You to everyone here for their input.
Of course the more data that is provided, the more trustworthy the source. Who amongst us would not prefer to know why something works vs being told it has always worked? Those type of claims could easily be due to correlation and not causality. More data is always desirable because science has no ego, it only deals with what can be proven through strenuous testing. Also thousands of products are sold every day claiming millions of unsubstantiated effects so that is not a logical basis for any calculation in this area. We are faced with enough variables as it is so we could all stand to have a little discipline when it comes to relaying information. Unfortunately and humorously a friend of mine once pointed out that this situation is similar to NASCAR, we all have our own theories and methods but most of us end up doing the same speed around the track. Thank You to everyone here for their input.
Ferredoxin
Active Member
I have about 3 weeks under my belt with the Ebb and Grow. It was a rough first 10-12 days in the system (tried to salvage some stressed out Grape Stomper clones that had been in the aero cloner for wayyyy too long with a major case of mites), but things are looking rosy now. After some tweaking of the pot heights, flood schedule, and nutes, the plants are taking off like crazy. No more mites either....a huge freaking victory. The clones just sat there for damn near 2 weeks. I was ready to buy some healthy clones when they finally snapped out of it. Im following the Lucas schedule with some Cutting Edge Grow thrown in for extra N/K, and all I have to say is WOW...I have never seen stems this fat on a 3 week old plant. I cant even LST them for fear of breaking the fat bastards. Gonna flip to 12/12 in a week or less.
Just feelin good on the victory....had to chime in again.
PS - I had fantastic success with Azamax. I first dipped the clones in it to knock down the bugs, then followed up with a foliar spray about 17 days later. I add a little insect soap as a spreader, and some CES Grow at label rate to add some vigor and help with adsorption of the Azamax into the plant. There is also a mixing schedule for adding Azamax to your hydroponic reservoir - anyone ever tried this with success?
Just feelin good on the victory....had to chime in again.
PS - I had fantastic success with Azamax. I first dipped the clones in it to knock down the bugs, then followed up with a foliar spray about 17 days later. I add a little insect soap as a spreader, and some CES Grow at label rate to add some vigor and help with adsorption of the Azamax into the plant. There is also a mixing schedule for adding Azamax to your hydroponic reservoir - anyone ever tried this with success?
hellraizer30
Rebel From The North
azamax in the res works great for mites and other critters living in the medium. 17 day follow up is good but i add it as far as 30 days just
to be sure.
horsepower850
Member
Does anyone have an answer to keeping the roots from creeping into the drain tubes and stopping up the lines?
BiteSizeFreak
Active Member
When I lift the inside pot I have a perfect root mold of the space left... So yeah...same boat...
researchkitty
Well-Known Member
Trim em with scissors. Cutting them under the pot holes will encourage them to bush inside the pots, instead of keeping extending out. Trimming them wont hurt your plant at all. If you have to trim more than once during flower, you need less veg or bigger pots.
hellraizer30
Rebel From The North
how the hell are you guys getting that much root mass? ive got like 5 or 6 main roots coming out of my holes, plants are about three feet tall and almost
3 weeks in flower.
3 weeks in flower.
horsepower850
Member
It's all in the medium. I'm using hydroton pellets and the roots are a massive ball coming from the net bucket. They are reaching down into the tubes. The ones I have rotted in coco fiber aren't reaching through as much. I'll try to cut them back but it's gettin thick in there. Hard to move around with plants filling the space.
hellraizer30
Rebel From The North
Im using hydrotron to, you using any kind of root stim?
horsepower850
Member
No, no root stimulator. Just use H&G Cocos A&B and the rest of that line minus the root excuralator.
researchkitty
Well-Known Member
Some strains are also more "rooty" than others, Bubblelicious never roots through the pots but OG Kush always needs trimming.... *shrug*
powerplant74
Member
All this gad damn yappin and cat fightin WTF are the pics at?????????????
nahikuroots
Member
Here are some pics, the strain is Larry's OG. The first set is from Jan 18th, the second is from a day ago. By my calculations they have about 2 1/2 weeks to go. I agree with Kitty about the length of your veg probably having the most to do with an over abundance of roots. This is my first run with this system. Veg and Clones are in a separate area. Rooted Clones in 16 oz cups (filled with sunshine #4) were direct transplanted from 18/6 under T5's to 12/12 under 1000 watt's. I am using House & Garden Aqua Flakes with all the supplements because I have been to Amsterdam and the Dutch have an excellent history when it comes to flower propagation so I am giving them a try. Following their schedule has had decent results although I would like to try Canna's line as well because I have heard good things about it.
powerplant74
Member
Nahiku looking good! Couple question how long did you veg your larry, also did you find her to be a light feeder?
nahikuroots
Member
Clone and Veg room is separate so usually1-2 weeks to root a cut then 2-3 weeks Veg. If timed right this allows me to harvest, clean, transplant and begin flowering again within a few days. OG's tend to be lanky so I like to grow somewhere between the SOG method and the "3 months training a bush" style. Fimming seems to work well to control them from shooting to tall while encouraging nice side branching. As a general rule I don't like plants over 3 ft indoors because you don't get good light penetration. The strain itself dictates how densely I can push them together before again affecting light penetration. As far as feeding goes I have stuck to the H&G charts. So far the PPM has gradually risen and in the 7th & 8th weeks it is around 1200 PPM. PH, PPM and plant vigor must be watched with vigilance because sometimes they are thirsty, sometimes hungry and sometimes both. I make a note of what the PPM is each week and try to maintain that range. I haven't seen any over feed burn yet. H&G does have a "aggressive" schedule as well but I want to be very careful about overfeeding in a interconnected system.
powerplant74
Member
Thanks for the input
nahikuroots
Member
I forgot to mention they were 6 to 10 inches tall when I transplanted them
hellraizer30
Rebel From The North
looking good man, very nice +rep