nah, we dont need to drill for oil

Carthoris

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we don't need plastics as we use them today.

we only NEED certain types of plastics for medical equipment and certain technological applications...... everything else could be made of other natural, replenishible fibers and materials like silk, hemp, wood, paper, glass, among others...

a plastic bag takes like twenty thousand years to break down.... to me, it's not worth the handful of groceries that fit in it.....

i try to use tote bags for shopping, or ask for paper when I can.....
I guess in retrospect we don't need electricity or oil either at all. We could just run around naked in the woods. Ill shit in the woods like a bear as long as there is water I can wash my ass off in somewhere close. Ill eat rats too. lol. Who needs to live past 30?
 

jeff f

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we don't need plastics as we use them today.

we only NEED certain types of plastics for medical equipment and certain technological applications...... everything else could be made of other natural, replenishible fibers and materials like silk, hemp, wood, paper, glass, among others...

a plastic bag takes like twenty thousand years to break down.... to me, it's not worth the handful of groceries that fit in it.....

i try to use tote bags for shopping, or ask for paper when I can.....
really? how long does it take to break down the shoes you wear?

how long does it take your xbox to break down?

how about the little plastic games that are wrapped in a little plastic case, that are packed in a plastic box, in a store that is entirly made of plastic and steel?

how about the plastic belt you wear?

or the plastic shirt you wear?

or your brakes in the car?

or your dasboard?

or the counter you lay your coffee cup on?

or the floor you just fell on and puked cuz your too fucking dumb to understand how your life is lived.

just curious? which part of plastic are you against?

oh, did i mention, plastic is BIG OIL?

but you look down your nose at a person with a plastic bag.....
 

DelSlow

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Just buy an old (1990-2000) honda, rebuild the car to stock specs, maintain regularly and you're good for 250,000 miles. Then repeat. It doesn't even need to be a honda. If people just took care of their cars instead of buying a new one every year, then there'd be less waste. Less pollution, less cars sitting in junkyards, etc.

But for fuel efficiency lightweight cars are the way to go. Fuck, I see commercials talking about "great fuel efficiency, 20 mpg". Hell, good 90s compact cars were getting 20+ mpg. I thought technology was supposed to improve? It's just that companies keep making cars BIGGER with more horsepower. More weight=less mpg. Bigger engines=more gas.
 

jeff f

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Just buy an old (1990-2000) honda, rebuild the car to stock specs, maintain regularly and you're good for 250,000 miles. Then repeat. It doesn't even need to be a honda. If people just took care of their cars instead of buying a new one every year, then there'd be less waste. Less pollution, less cars sitting in junkyards, etc.

But for fuel efficiency lightweight cars are the way to go. Fuck, I see commercials talking about "great fuel efficiency, 20 mpg". Hell, good 90s compact cars were getting 20+ mpg. I thought technology was supposed to improve? It's just that companies keep making cars BIGGER with more horsepower. More weight=less mpg. Bigger engines=more gas.
a mid eighties honda/nissan/toyota got anywhere from 40 to 60 miles to the gallon. we had tons of cars that got way over 35 miles per gallon. i had an 1986 nissan pickup that got 40-45 on highway trips.

today, your lucky if you can reach 30 miles to gallon in a shoe box.

wonder why? oh yes, the geniuses at the govt who made car manufacturers put a bunch of useless bullshit on the engine cuz california kept bitching.

and now we burn our food in the cars. this whole thing is a govt made cluster fuck. sell more gas, collect more taxes. it really is that simple
 

redivider

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a mid eighties honda/nissan/toyota got anywhere from 40 to 60 miles to the gallon. we had tons of cars that got way over 35 miles per gallon. i had an 1986 nissan pickup that got 40-45 on highway trips.

today, your lucky if you can reach 30 miles to gallon in a shoe box.

wonder why? oh yes, the geniuses at the govt who made car manufacturers put a bunch of useless bullshit on the engine cuz california kept bitching.

and now we burn our food in the cars. this whole thing is a govt made cluster fuck. sell more gas, collect more taxes. it really is that simple
actually california uses seperate cars, with seperate part numbers. the cars that are supplied to the state, and to that state ONLY, get additional environmental protection additives.

and we don't NEED plastic. we use it b/c it's convenient, b/c it's 'cheap', and because it's easy to make in large batches.... we could use other materials, but ppl like you hold us back.....
 

redivider

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cars in the 1980s didn't get better fuel efficient b/c of magic. car companies didn't just start pumping out fuel efficient vehicles for fun.

cars started to have better fuel efficiency b/c the GOVERNMENT forced them to during the oil crisis way back when.

car companies were told: make cars more fuel efficient or don't sell them in the United States. PERIOD.

so before you complain about how the government making that 30mph meeting with a tree survivable fucks up the fuel efficiency of cars, remember that cars wouldn't even be as fuel efficient as they are today if it wasn't for the government....

BOOM.
 

Carthoris

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cars in the 1980s didn't get better fuel efficient b/c of magic. car companies didn't just start pumping out fuel efficient vehicles for fun.

cars started to have better fuel efficiency b/c the GOVERNMENT forced them to during the oil crisis way back when.

car companies were told: make cars more fuel efficient or don't sell them in the United States. PERIOD.

so before you complain about how the government making that 30mph meeting with a tree survivable fucks up the fuel efficiency of cars, remember that cars wouldn't even be as fuel efficient as they are today if it wasn't for the government....

BOOM.
The market is a far stronger driving force than the Government forcing companies to make certain cars. People will buy whatever they want. With the price of oil going up, people think about fuel efficiency more, thus driving sales of more fuel efficient cars.

30mph has always been survivable. Any car made since the model T could hit a tree at 30 mph and do pretty good. That being said the death rate per 100,000,000 miles in America isn't much better than average overall in the world. That means our forced safety isn't helping to stop fatalities. It isn't that the safety laws for cars in other countries aren't good enough - its that our country is overdoing them or making rules that help our companies compete.

Why do you think you should have a say in how safe the car anyone drives is? That is as bad as people thinking they have a right to tell me to wear a helmet when Im on the motorcycle. Its my head - mind your own.

A boy is sitting on a park bench with a candy bar, and a pile of wrapped beside him. An old man walks up and says.. "Your going to kill yourself eating all that chocolate". "I'm not worried about it, my Grandpa lived to be 100", the young boy replied. "Did he live to be 100 eating chocolate every day?", the old man asked. "No, he minded his own fucking business.", the boy told him.

The simple fact is the cars in Europe are perfectly safe, they have air bags, and you can hit things without dying.

You don't like it when the government tells you smoking weed is bad do you? Don't act like the government telling people they have to do things is a good thing. People should have the right to make decisions for their own lives and safety if they aren't hurting others. If I want to drive down the road without airbags and seat belts or on a motorcycle without a helmet - what do you care? Laws like that are complete BS. I would compare them to laws that outlaw sodomy and abortion. IE: Laws that are made just because someone else decided you shouldn't be allowed to make your own decisions.

If there were 5k cars that got 40mpg, everyone would own one and it would change by a large percent how much oil we consume.
 

Carthoris

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People buy a $60K 25 MPG lexus to commute to work and don't even bat an eye. Its really not about cost as it is about ideals. 30K is a pretty good price for a new car. People gobbled up the prius and that shit was really expensive when it came out as well, no one ever saved enough gas with that thing to make up for it, but the little fuckers are all over the place (and generally speeding like a bat out of hell to negate all that wonderful fuel savings).
I have a Ford Truck and a Honda Fury. Together I payed about 32k for them brand new. Anyone paying 30k for a new car has more money than sense.
 

DelSlow

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The market is a far stronger driving force than the Government forcing companies to make certain cars. People will buy whatever they want. With the price of oil going up, people think about fuel efficiency more, thus driving sales of more fuel efficient cars.

30mph has always been survivable. Any car made since the model T could hit a tree at 30 mph and do pretty good. That being said the death rate per 100,000,000 miles in America isn't much better than average overall in the world. That means our forced safety isn't helping to stop fatalities. It isn't that the safety laws for cars in other countries aren't good enough - its that our country is overdoing them or making rules that help our companies compete.

Why do you think you should have a say in how safe the car anyone drives is? That is as bad as people thinking they have a right to tell me to wear a helmet when Im on the motorcycle. Its my head - mind your own.

A boy is sitting on a park bench with a candy bar, and a pile of wrapped beside him. An old man walks up and says.. "Your going to kill yourself eating all that chocolate". "I'm not worried about it, my Grandpa lived to be 100", the young boy replied. "Did he live to be 100 eating chocolate every day?", the old man asked. "No, he minded his own fucking business.", the boy told him.

The simple fact is the cars in Europe are perfectly safe, they have air bags, and you can hit things without dying.

You don't like it when the government tells you smoking weed is bad do you? Don't act like the government telling people they have to do things is a good thing. People should have the right to make decisions for their own lives and safety if they aren't hurting others. If I want to drive down the road without airbags and seat belts or on a motorcycle without a helmet - what do you care? Laws like that are complete BS. I would compare them to laws that outlaw sodomy and abortion. IE: Laws that are made just because someone else decided you shouldn't be allowed to make your own decisions.

If there were 5k cars that got 40mpg, everyone would own one and it would change by a large percent how much oil we consume.
I agree. People will buy whatever they want. Obviously, if you drive like a maniac, no amount of airbags/ helmet will save you. Maybe if people actually KNEW how to drive, there'd be less fatalities. Everyone should be able to drive a standard with no power steering lol. Instead, we have people who take 5 minutes to park a fucking geo.

You want to hear about government overstepping boundaries? Our local legislature tried to pass a bill that would outlaw the sale of aftermarket speakers/ subwoofers. The reasoning is that there's too much loud music :) Now, we already have noise pollution laws, stating that if your music/ vehicle can be heard from 30 feet away, you get a ticket. This bill would have killed the stereo shops around here. Luckily, that shit was KILLED.
 

jeff f

New Member
Red you are out to lunch on this one.

Google a couple cars from Honda in the early eighties. Civic, accord, and a little 2 door that the name escapes me. It had a sticker for 55 highway as i recall.

Those cars didn't fall under cafe because all of them were over35mpg.

I realize you're a lot younger than me but that's the way it was. No bullshit.

Cars were a lot more efficient back then. It's not really arguable.
 

NoDrama

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When I lived in Long Beach My GF at the time had a 1985 Honda CRX HF, it got 55 MPG on the highway and 49 in town. Had pretty good pep too with the 5 speed manual. Only had 2 seats. Ran forever.
 

jeff f

New Member
When I lived in Long Beach My GF at the time had a 1985 Honda CRX HF, it got 55 MPG on the highway and 49 in town. Had pretty good pep too with the 5 speed manual. Only had 2 seats. Ran forever.
all this old school stuff got me thinking to 1983. i bought a brand new honda shadow motorcycle and my roomate bought a honda civic.

he got better gas mileage than i did. right around 50 mpg. my bike had 66 horse power, his car had 55. pretty funny

i think it died with 320 thousand miles.

thank god for those brilliant govt regulations. now we only burn twice the gas. haha

just thought of another one. my x father in law had a 1981 chevy pickup, base model with a 305 engine, that got 31 mpg on the highway. his wife drove a ford thunderbird that got mid thirties.
 

redivider

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honda crx. look at this and try to duplicate it today. you cant. wanna know why? your hairbrain govt ideas.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_CR-X

here is a toyota

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Tercel

all jap makes and models were like this. many got around 50mpg. new cars dont get that if they are pushed off a cliff. all that clean air crap they put on the car made the care much less efficient
i know the CRX, like a 1.6L, 4 cyl engine. they don't do very well when traveling over 60 mph. they don't get as much fuel efficiency anymore b/c ppl like bigger, wider, higher cars that ride smoother, have CD/MP3/GPS/Sync/audio/power everything, ass warmers, drink warmers, tv screens, LED lighting......... blame the govt all you want.... it's always the govt fault w/ you people... even when the government isn't to blame.....
 

canuckgrow

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i know the CRX, like a 1.6L, 4 cyl engine. they don't do very well when traveling over 60 mph. they don't get as much fuel efficiency anymore b/c ppl like bigger, wider, higher cars that ride smoother, have CD/MP3/GPS/Sync/audio/power everything, ass warmers, drink warmers, tv screens, LED lighting......... blame the govt all you want.... it's always the govt fault w/ you people... even when the government isn't to blame.....
Blind Faith.......Its what dumb asses are made of?
 

NoDrama

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I grew up in a family that loved diesel. My mom had a Oldsmobile delta 88 with a 350 v8 converted into diesel. The thing got 38 MPG and it was a BIG car. We had a Chevy Caprice classic Station wagon with the fake wood panels on the side, it was a diesel too. We had the local college kids at the diesel class rebuild the engine after it had 380,000 miles on it, after the rebuild it would burn rubber on take offs, had huge torque, but it didn't last long, got another 15,000 miles and threw a rod. Mom and Dad have moved up since then and now Mom drives a Mercedes Benz E220 CDI Diesel, its got a 2.1 liter twin turbo 4 cylinder diesel that puts out 201 Hp and 369 Ft/lbs of torque, it gets 44 MPG average according to the on-board computer. Doesn't sound or even smell like a diesel either.
 

Carthoris

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i know the CRX, like a 1.6L, 4 cyl engine. they don't do very well when traveling over 60 mph. they don't get as much fuel efficiency anymore b/c ppl like bigger, wider, higher cars that ride smoother, have CD/MP3/GPS/Sync/audio/power everything, ass warmers, drink warmers, tv screens, LED lighting......... blame the govt all you want.... it's always the govt fault w/ you people... even when the government isn't to blame.....

People like cheap, attractive, and reliable cars. GPS/MP3/SYNC/AUDIO, Power Windows, and ass warmers don't affect the gas mileage except in how much weight you are putting in extra to install them. In this case, with every option you listed maybe 5 pounds. Like I said - I drove a Nissa Micra in Ireland for a couple weeks. It was a cheap car, it had all those options you mentioned (cept for ass warmer) and it would sell for around 10k here in the United States. It got 55 mpg on the highway and about 35 in the city. It was enjoyable to drive for me, and I am a big guy.

My truck gets 20 mpg city and highway. My motorcycle gets 45 mpg average between both. I drive my wife's car if I am going on a long trip and it gets 35 mpg. I only drive my truck when its raining hard, below 50, or when Im using it to haul stuff. That means I am getting about 35 mpg over all the driving I do. If you want to improve fuel economy, you have to fix the cars that get crap gas mileage. Old trucks with big tires. How do you do that? Offer rednecks an alternative. Im willing to bet free tuneups for all cars would of worked better than cash for clunkers. A 4 cyl truck that gets good gas mileage, is reliable, and comes already sort of beefy. (think the 4x4 toyotas you see, they get like 25-30mpg on those mud tires) People drive big crappy gas guzzlers because they want a truck and they want it cheap(couple thousand dollars) Addressing people who buy new cars isn't going to help the base issue - unless it is with new drivers.

If they can make 2 wheels and a motor look cool - they can make a small car that looks cool too. BTW, this is the bike I have (stock pictures)


 
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