gamebreaker81
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Hellraizer i spent a fortune on the FF nutes LOL, 9 different prods total in the gallon size.. I am gonna switch to GH next run.
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hellraizer30
Rebel From The North
sounds like a smart plan!!
horsepower850
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I think your profile picture is amazing!
Ferredoxin
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30 gallons a day for 29 plants? That is crazy. I MAYBE use 5 gal/day with 16 plants, and they are all over 3' tall. How many times per day are you flooding them? Do you change how many times throughout the course of 12/12?
smokingrubber
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The amount they drink depends a lot on the maturity. Plants that are 4-6 weeks into flower will consume A LOT of water. If they are not drinking a lot, you have problems coming. The question wasn't for me, but I water every 3 hours during light's ON.
DAMN, how big did you grow them? Did you set your watering for 15 min or 30 at a time?
hellraizer30
Rebel From The North
x3 three floods a day and they were 3 foot tall also! one thing I noticed was when I did my add back every day! I never had to add nutes. so 1300ppm
at 55gal in one day -30 gals the ppm would go up to 1600 then id add back water to 55gal and i would be at 1300 again. after 10 to 14 days I would do
a res dump. my next run Im shooting for 1000ppm tops cus I think I didnt need to go that high.
Ferredoxin
Active Member
I was flooding 4x per day, and topping out at 1550 ppm (3.0 EC). I wasnt seeing any symptoms of nute burn, but I dont think the buds are as dense as they could be on day 43. For the 7th week, I am running GH aggressive bloom schedule @ 1/2 strength plus Floralicious and 2 sachets of shooting powder. I also knocked the flooding back to 3x per day about a week ago. Once day 40 hit, the branches started to droop big time. Im hoping to really see the weight gain in the next 7 days.
I will be vegging less next run(just over a month this run), especially considering I am switching up strains to Cherry Kush which can stretch like a mofo. Im thinking no longer than 2 weeks before I flip unless they recover slowly from transplanting.
I will be vegging less next run(just over a month this run), especially considering I am switching up strains to Cherry Kush which can stretch like a mofo. Im thinking no longer than 2 weeks before I flip unless they recover slowly from transplanting.
i went shopping for ebb n gro today, local store didn't have it in stock they'd have to special order it. they said they have cap's new ebb monster in stock, i ended up going home without buying either. so now i'm reconsidering my decision to get the ebb n gro. apprently the new ebb monster has an improved controller module to go along with bigger buckets, so i guess cap's r&d had had found this thread and heard from us. looking forward to see how the new system works.
besides those upside down nursery saucers which doesn't seem to work well, is there anyway to completely drain out the ebb n gro's buckets? i don't not need a SWC system. anything water culture is dirty. the nute solution becomes stagnant in the buckets i got all sorts of problems. when u see leaves wilt you know what it is. when nute solution is completely drained and centralized into the reservior i could then manipulate it however i want oxygenize it heat it chill it make it basic make it acidic. hope CAP fixed it on the new ebb monster.
ps hellraizer30 your canopy is nice n thick looks good
besides those upside down nursery saucers which doesn't seem to work well, is there anyway to completely drain out the ebb n gro's buckets? i don't not need a SWC system. anything water culture is dirty. the nute solution becomes stagnant in the buckets i got all sorts of problems. when u see leaves wilt you know what it is. when nute solution is completely drained and centralized into the reservior i could then manipulate it however i want oxygenize it heat it chill it make it basic make it acidic. hope CAP fixed it on the new ebb monster.
ps hellraizer30 your canopy is nice n thick looks good
smokingrubber
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5 Gal buckets on the EBB MONSTER, Holy Cow! The down side is, less plants and WAY more water and nutes. I'm in a tent, so I can't allow them to get too tall anyway. Seems to me thet 5 gallon buckets is a little too boo-koo. I'd really love to see some 3 gallon buckets!
Hempdaddy, you have to use FloraKleen every 30 days. Fix that problem of yours right up!
Hempdaddy, you have to use FloraKleen every 30 days. Fix that problem of yours right up!
hi smokinggrubber.
i have clearex (which is bs it's just water with some sugar/dextrose) and hygrozym, and i can fix any issues that arise should it be fusarium pythium algae root rot; but that's besides my point. years ago i switched to a strategy that emphasizes the importance of problem prevention, instead of trying to fix problems when they hit, it has worked really well for me. with good management and a bit of maintenance, i do less work overall and get better results at the end. minimizing adverse conditions also give me peace of mind and the freedom to go on my daily life and not attending to my plants all the time. and it's the reason i insist on not having any nute solution in the buckets not absorbed by the growth medium.
moreover, i'm mixing organic nutes with synthetic nutes much more often than i used to, and organics further complicates the rootzone environment. if i leave stagant solution in each bucket it think the smell alone will give me huge headaches.
right now i'm trying to find a dealer that carries sunlight supplies' titan controls flo n gro. hopefully it doesn't suffer from the same issues as cap ebb n gro
i have clearex (which is bs it's just water with some sugar/dextrose) and hygrozym, and i can fix any issues that arise should it be fusarium pythium algae root rot; but that's besides my point. years ago i switched to a strategy that emphasizes the importance of problem prevention, instead of trying to fix problems when they hit, it has worked really well for me. with good management and a bit of maintenance, i do less work overall and get better results at the end. minimizing adverse conditions also give me peace of mind and the freedom to go on my daily life and not attending to my plants all the time. and it's the reason i insist on not having any nute solution in the buckets not absorbed by the growth medium.
moreover, i'm mixing organic nutes with synthetic nutes much more often than i used to, and organics further complicates the rootzone environment. if i leave stagant solution in each bucket it think the smell alone will give me huge headaches.
right now i'm trying to find a dealer that carries sunlight supplies' titan controls flo n gro. hopefully it doesn't suffer from the same issues as cap ebb n gro
smokingrubber
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Mixing organics and non-organics can be a problem just because there are things you can't add to kill bs. You already know that. I would reconsider the organics and their pros n cons.
The new ebb n gro buckets (im not talking about the 5 gal Monster buckets) raise the floor above the hose line. There is a small recess in the bottom for the hose nipple. This eliminates 90% of the standing water that would accumulate in the old version buckets.
The new ebb n gro buckets (im not talking about the 5 gal Monster buckets) raise the floor above the hose line. There is a small recess in the bottom for the hose nipple. This eliminates 90% of the standing water that would accumulate in the old version buckets.
thanks for the info smokingrubber
i just wish the guys running local hydro stores know as much as you do =P
highly doubt they know anything about cap's ebb n gro design revisions
if i go in there asking them for the new buckets they gonna look all clueless
hydro store people needs to be as anally retentive as grandmaster growers!
i've never used this kind of system before and i don't know which fittings i'm gonna need, otherwise i'd just purchase separate parts like the ebb monster's bigger controller module and then hook it all up to my current reservior. probably best thing for me to do right now is to go out and get the ebb n gro system with the new buckets, play around with it, then i can switch out parts and customize it to my specific needs
i just wish the guys running local hydro stores know as much as you do =P
highly doubt they know anything about cap's ebb n gro design revisions
if i go in there asking them for the new buckets they gonna look all clueless
hydro store people needs to be as anally retentive as grandmaster growers!
i've never used this kind of system before and i don't know which fittings i'm gonna need, otherwise i'd just purchase separate parts like the ebb monster's bigger controller module and then hook it all up to my current reservior. probably best thing for me to do right now is to go out and get the ebb n gro system with the new buckets, play around with it, then i can switch out parts and customize it to my specific needs
stillgamble
Active Member
thanks to all of you early adopters for the wealth of info provided to me. i was supposed to get try this new kind of ebb and flow last year, however i'm somewhat glad i waited this long. Now that there are so many choices on the market, even vapor products like sentinel's system ;D
More importantly, the modular nature of this new system makes it customizable, i predict in the upcoming years we'll witness more products being released. better buckets with improved feature sets that hooks right on to other systems, or perhaps digitized controller tanks with more pumping power; maybe some of you will venture into this business to sell your home made buckets, who knows what the future holds.
i would like to see something like the bottom of the flood trays, maybe a recessed waterway 1 inch deep quarter inch in width, crisscrossing the inside floor of the bucket, inflow/outflow would be right at the bottom of these waterways. then you could like, put rw in the inner bucket and hydrotons in the exterior bucket. and if you could in a way hook up the inflow to the top of the bucket, and design a controller with 2 tanks similiar to waterfarm controllers, u are potentially getting a gravity fed nft/drip system. anyways think of the possiblities.
hellraizer30
Rebel From The North
30min each flood when i cut down there was a root mass that was so large it was pushing the inner bucket a inch up from the flood
bucket lol
dr.smith
Member
well smokin', i jus' put 12 2ft cocoa kush monsters into flower in 3 gal bucks, i have also put an air stone in the bottom of each buck,my ladies love their bubble baths, they will be basking in 2000w of hps,with 1000ppm of co2(that's all i could muster with the diy hook up) and im runnin' the dyna-gro line up at 1100ppm, nice and simple like,6 are in 6in net pots,and 6 in sunleave grow rock(jus to see....) i have spaced at 2ft on center,they have all been uncle ben topped,fimmed,and dutch super cropped,the mothers were all induced with ethylene in pre germ and all popped within 24hr on dec.23 winter solice with a total lunar eclipse,they sprouted on christmas morning with one 4 headed tetraploid,and one triploid,100% females out of 18 seeds! 1 mother yeilded 24 clones,which took root with no cloning solution! i have pics and data from the get,jus need to finish the deed, oh sorry,the 3 gal black buckets are at the dollar tree dollar store,cost? you quessed it ,1 dollar ea they are the perfect size for the standard ebb and gro system
Ferredoxin
Active Member
Multiple tops does not mean you have polyploidy. Tetraploidy means the plant has four sets of chromosomes per cell instead of the normal two. Unless you are dissecting your seedlings under an electron microscope, Im pretty sure you can't tell the ploidy.
powerplant74
Member
You will use the same amount and nutes and water, the 55gallon rez can only handle 12 sites.
HempDaddy the EBB Monster Does not have the recess in the bottom, last I knew.
stillgamble
Active Member
so is an air stone in the rez a good idea or is there no need?