Dr Greenthumbs G13

[WoodyHaze]

No, you just go on; "faith." Well, when you have different; "businessmen/rockstars" saying conflicting things how do you personally decided which to place your faith in? The one that is your preferred supplier of strains?

Shantibaba and Neville say the stuff no longer exists in it's pure form. First according to Doc it allegedly came from DD, but it didn't, but then it was claimed that was said just to keep Ortega's part in this secret, and how in some roundabout way it came from Neville either directly or indirectly, it's difficult to say which since the Doc's story keep changing. But Neville has said it did not come from him directly or indirectly or in any roundabout way.

In who do you place your; "faith" and trust, and why? Why would that particular; "businessman/rockstar" deserve to be seen as being any more honest than the rest? A flip of a coin? The response from a Magic 8-Ball maybe? Of because someone likes the genetics of one of those involved over that of the others so they are ever so generously granted the benefit of the doubt? The meaning of the idiom; "benefit of the doubt" is a favorable judgment granted in absence of full evidence.

So with so many conflicting statements being made by the various; "businessmen/rockstars," who involved actually deserves it and the decision to grant it to them is based on precisely what?

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[SCARHOLE]

Should have known Shit Top would rear his ugly head on this thread. Hey Shit Top, do your research before opening your shithole! Nevil has indeed verified that Ortega has the strain via p.m.'s to Kanga at Mr. Nice forums. So stfu and go back in your hole biaaaatch!!!!!!!!

Do you got a link?

Also lets play nice, no name calling.
I usualy agree with Bricktops posts.
I welcome his imput.

 

[Brick Top]

Should have known Shit Top would rear his ugly head on this thread. Hey Shit Top, do your research before opening your shithole! Nevil has indeed verified that Ortega has the strain via p.m.'s to Kanga at Mr. Nice forums. So stfu and go back in your hole biaaaatch!!!!!!!!

So an unsubstantiated claim is now being held up as proof?

From Mr. Nice Forums, written and posted by Kangativa; "What do you want Drum, do you want me to show you all the PM's.....not going to happen !!! Do you want me me to tell you what Nevil says.....you wont believe me anyway.....do you want me to say what Dogless says.......not up to me !!"

So Senator McCarthy holds up his briefcase and said here in my briefcase I hold the proof ......... but Senator McCarthy refuses to open up his briefcase and show people the proof.

Explain this one Mr. Wizard. From Dr. Greenthumb's webpage for his fake G13

" Now Available " G13
Product Code- G13F- (Feminized) ♀

[The Original Neville's Cut- First Pure G13 Seed EVER!!!]

Long Lasting
Pleasant, happy buzz
THE BIGGEST AND HEAVIEST
PLANT CURRENTLY AVAILABLE!

Potency: 4½ out of 5
Taste: Lightly Fragrant – Fruity

G13F

Compare that to some info about the real G13 and try to explain it away.

In its pure form it was apparently not very pleasant smoke, tasting like lawn clippings, soaked in a mixture of urine and feces (fecal flavors are common in pure afganicas) with a lovelly aftertaste of burning tires.The shear power could not be denied however and that's what made the strain's rep. As I said,G-13 was a breeders plant, (see MJ Botony p70) for a description of a sport but basically it's a plant that shows beneficial mutations which can be passed down tothe next gen. In the case of G-13 it was a scraglly plant with lowish yields, but it had the desirable trait of massive resin production. So much so, that if you let it go to long it could supposedly choke itself. Some sativas can do this, what Shanti calls the "Widow" sport is an example, but it's very rare in an indica. It was during Nevil's 83/84 collection trips to the US that he aquired, from Sandy W the only G-13 cuttings to ever leave Sandy's garden.

So how did the pure G13 go from tasting like lawn clippings, soaked in a mixture of urine and feces to becoming; "Fruity" flavored? And how did the strain in pure form have a low yield and now in Dr. Greenthumb's fake-pure form it's a cash cropper's dream plant with very heavy yields?

Nevil's cut lost vigor over 20 years ago and yet someone managed to maintain it when Shanti and Nevil couldn't? Why wouldn't Shanti and Nevil have this cut if it was still around and being held by a friend? Why wouldn't Shanti and Nevil know a friend had the cut?

Nothing adds up. Dr. Greenthumb's story has changed several times. People who were claimed to have been involved in one way or another have said no way. The strain has changed in a major way totally transforming from what it was when pure into the fake Dr. Greenthumb is now trying to get richer off of pawning it off to suckers. And your proof is a claim of a PM saying otherwise. While claiming to have received the PM Kanaga also included; "Maybe one day when Nevil gets his computer back online he might tell the whole story."

I guess you want people to believe that Nev borrowed someone else's computer to send Kangativa a PM to clear things up but didn't think it worth the time to instead say something in the open forum so everyone would know or take another few minutes and retract what he had said at another time elsewhere.

I do have to admit, you did pick the perfect username for you to use, punkenstien ... because you are nothing more than one more little wet behind the ears punk who needs to believe they know it all and thinks that calling me; "Shit Top" and saying; "So stfu and go back in your hole biaaaatch" will make up for a total lack of actual knowledge and cover up you're having a very vivid imagination.

It's all the mouth breathing knuckle draggers like you who are only the first generation of your families to walk upright that have me so utterly fed up with this site. As long as it allows imbecilic cretins like you to be members it will forever remain a university of ignorance.

 

[Brick Top]

Do you got a link?

Also lets play nice, no name calling.
I usualy agree with Bricktops posts.
I welcome his imput.

Message #84 http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/6-breeders-support-information/6280-dr-greenthumbs-g13-9.html
What do you want Drum, do you want me to show you all the PM's.....not going to happen !!! Do you want me me to tell you what Nevil says.....you wont believe me anyway.....do you want me to say what Dogless says.......not up to me !!
Ill tell you something mate, from what i gather you are surrounded by bullshitters and you have a hard time believing anyone, but down here in OZ we really have no reason to bullshit or lie about what we grow or make up names and I can tell you I am definitely not into making up strains.....now I told you if you wait till AUG/SEPT you will have some facts, but you seem unable to do that.
You know its people like you that make strains unavailable because good people just cant handle all the bullshit from people who say thats not true or how can it be, so they keep them to themselves and close friends.....now why dont you go back to the DR G forum and hassle him for FACTS.
No one is going to show you or tell you anything here, other than what I have said and will do and that is a FACT.

That was posted after in message #51

http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/6-breeders-support-information/6280-dr-greenthumbs-g13-6.html He said; "Look Drum you can take it from me that Nevil said he gave the cut to
Jim back in the 80's and Jim said he went to a lot of expense and time to eradicate the viriuses that caused it to loose vigour.
Maybe one day when Nevil gets his computer back online he might tell the whole story. Until then you will have to wait until the parties involved fill in the gaps.
As so many people have told you and even Nevil has said, when Jim says something ..take notice.

If you are so concerned about this affecting the medical community then why didnt you PM the people involved as i believe this is showing proper respect. Not this throw it out in the public forum demanding answers.

So Nev's computer is not online, but he borrowed one, or something, just to PM Kangativa and only Kangativa with the super secret information rather than post it in the forum where Kangativa is one of only a few people claiming Dr. Greenthumb's fake G13 is the real deal.

Why wouldn't Nev have posted it in the open forum and put an end to all of it once and for all rather than just PM Kangativa? Why would Nev ONLY want Kangativa to know the facts rather than tell EVERYONE the facts? It wouldn't have taken any more time or been any more difficult for Nev to tell EVERYONE in an open forum rather than ONLY allegedly tell Kangativa in a PM.

It doesn't make any sense but it does fit in perfectly with the ever evolving story coming from Dr. Greenthumb and the he said, she said story he is attempting to rely on to cover up his selling fake G13.

 

[stonedmetalhead1]

While the origins of G13 are up for debate the fact that there is a plant called G13 and has been used for breeding for years is not. Airborne's G13 is the plant that made G13 famous and was used by Shanti, Vic High, and others. Just from the description you can tell it's not Airborne's cut.

LOL, I must have been stoned when I wrote this it should be:

While the origins of G13 are up for debate the fact that there is a plant called G13 and has been used for breeding for years is not. Nevil's G13 is the plant that made G13 famous and was used by Shanti and Nevil, Vic High and others used Airbornes cut which was found to be G13/NL. Just from the description you can tell it's not Nevil's cut.

I'm surprised no one ripped me a new one for that. I laughed my ass off when I reread it.

 

[fletchman]

DoubleD said Nevil wants the G13 and NL#5 cut back, And DD is gonna give them to him in person, so the story goes.

 

[Brick Top]

DoubleD said Nevil wants the G13 and NL#5 cut back, And DD is gonna give them to him in person, so the story goes.

When there is a thread about G13 x NL #5 rather than G13 that will be pertinent information, unless that too is another case of; "so the story goes."

 

[SCARHOLE]

I was thinking that a breeder/breeders took the g13 crossed with Haze an skunk (or NL?).
Backbred them tell they had a 99% g13,(g13-99?).
An bread it for desired trates for alot of years.

Its about the only way I can think of to explain the stains good taste an HEAVY yeild.

Subcool talks G13 breeding..
Breeding has many complexities that I won’t begin to try and explain here today. But I think our main goal was very simple, to combine an extremely potent “Sativa hybrid” with a “heavy yielding, ultra purple strain”. The results would be a purple strain with the potency added from that parent. What gets tricky is many strains like G-13 are extremely dominant and can take over a cross. When you cross BlueBerry and G-13, usually you just make a nasty tasting, watered down version of both. This doesn’t mean that there are not good Blueberry G-13 crosses; its just breeding is not as easy as 2+2=4. There is also a big difference between “breeders” and “seed makers”. Anyone can take a male and pollinate a female. This is not breeding; it is making copies with large variations. Again if they’re sold cheap, a winner can still be found if enough seeds are grown out. The difference is the selection process of the parent strains.

 

[fletchman]

When there is a thread about G13 x NL #5 rather than G13 that will be pertinent information, unless that too is another case of; "so the story goes."

This just shows how much BrickTop knows about the "Story" LOL!!

Hey Brick, here is a little secret, DD recieved a cut of NL#5 from Nevil when he received the G13 cut back in 86.

I wasn't talking about a cross of G13xNL#5

And also Brick I have Doc's G13 and his Endless Sky kickin ass and taking names in my garden, probably the nicest marijuana plants I have ever seen, and im not even phased about the seed cost, they will surely be worth every dime.

 

[Brick Top]

I was thinking that a breeder/breeders took the g13 crossed with Haze an skunk (or NL?).
Backbred them tell they had a 99% g13,(g13-99?).
An bread it for desired trates for alot of years.

Its about the only way I can think of to explain the stains good taste an HEAVY yeild.

If so then as Shantibaba and Neville have said, it would have to be one of the hybrids and not PURE G13 regardless of what any breeder chose to call it. It would still be G13 x something or another back crossed with G13 some number of times ... but that would NEVER make it pure and G13again, it would never be the original G13 again and Dr. Greenthumb calls it; "The Original Neville's Cut- First Pure G13 Seed EVER!!!." Not the first original HYBRID made from G13 ever.

It is somewhat similar to the Romulan people were getting in the past. By the time it made it to pro breeders it was in a clone only form, that means no males to use to make seeds. It was in the pre-feminized seeds days so crosses were made with various indica strains to make seeds to sell and some breeders, even though it was a cross, a hybrid, still called it Romulan when it was Romulan x something or another.

 

[Brick Top]

This just shows how much BrickTop knows about the "Story" LOL!!

Hey Brick, here is a little secret, DD recieved a cut of NL#5 from Nevil when he received the G13 cut back in 86.

I wasn't talking about a cross of G13xNL#5

And also Brick I have Doc's G13 and his Endless Sky kickin ass and taking names in my garden, probably the nicest marijuana plants I have ever seen, and im not even phased about the seed cost, they will surely be worth every dime.

Look at your own words:

Originally Posted by fletchman
DoubleD said Nevil wants the G13 and NL#5 cut back. You said G13 and Nl #5 cut, singular, as in one strain. Nev did release a G13 x NL#5 cross. When you used the singular form, saying cut instead of cuts, if you were talking about two different cuts you gave a totally wrong impression.

Congrats on your current growing success. I wasn't so lucky when I purchased Dr. Greenthumb's claimed to be 100% real, original, true, Acapulco Gold and it turned out more like Ghetto Gold. The 100% real, original, true Acapulco Gold that I had purchased and smoked and grown and smoked MANY times in the past and that I knew VERY well was TOTALLY different in every conceivable way than the Ghetto Gold Dr. Greenthumb sold me.

The Acapulco Gold that Dr. Greenthumb sold me was no more the real true Acapulco Gold than I am Jessie Jackson. So Dr. Greenthumb has a proven track record of selling fakes of famous strains from the past. Deal with it, I have.

 

[doc111]

I was thinking that a breeder/breeders took the g13 crossed with Haze an skunk (or NL?).
Backbred them tell they had a 99% g13,(g13-99?).
An bread it for desired trates for alot of years.

Its about the only way I can think of to explain the stains good taste an HEAVY yeild.

Subcool talks G13 breeding..
Breeding has many complexities that I won’t begin to try and explain here today. But I think our main goal was very simple, to combine an extremely potent “Sativa hybrid” with a “heavy yielding, ultra purple strain”. The results would be a purple strain with the potency added from that parent. What gets tricky is many strains like G-13 are extremely dominant and can take over a cross. When you cross BlueBerry and G-13, usually you just make a nasty tasting, watered down version of both. This doesn’t mean that there are not good Blueberry G-13 crosses; its just breeding is not as easy as 2+2=4. There is also a big difference between “breeders” and “seed makers”. Anyone can take a male and pollinate a female. This is not breeding; it is making copies with large variations. Again if they’re sold cheap, a winner can still be found if enough seeds are grown out. The difference is the selection process of the parent strains.

lol! You should ask Brick Top what he thinks about subcool.

 

[Brick Top]

lol! You should ask Brick Top what he thinks about subcool.

That's actually what I know about SubCool, not what I; "think about SubCool," and that is not something I go into in open forums here because it would instantly start WW III and bring Armageddon to RIU since SubCool is perceived as being such a beloved; "businessman/rockstar" among many here.

 

[doc111]

That's actually what I know about SubCool, not what I; "think about SubCool," and that is not something I go into in open forums here because it would instantly start WW III and bring Armageddon to RIU since SubCool is perceived as being such a beloved; "businessman/rockstar" among many here.

My apologies...........what you KNOW about subcool. lol!

That never stopped you before Brick.

 

[Brick Top]

My apologies...........what you KNOW about subcool. lol!

That never stopped you before Brick.

You would be amazed by how many things I know that I have never said .. but again; "That's actually what I know about SubCool, not what I; "think about SubCool," and that is not something I go into in open forums here because it would instantly start WW III and bring Armageddon to RIU since SubCool is perceived as being such a beloved; "businessman/rockstar" among many here."

 

[doc111]

You would be amazed by how many things I know that I have never said .. but again; "That's actually what I know about SubCool, not what I; "think about SubCool," and that is not something I go into in open forums here because it would instantly start WW III and bring Armageddon to RIU since SubCool is perceived as being such a beloved; "businessman/rockstar" among many here."

Like I said: That never stopped you before Brick.

 

[Brick Top]

Like I said: That never stopped you before Brick.

That is only an assumption on your part. As I said; "You would be amazed by how many things I know that I have never said .. but again; "That's actually what I know about SubCool, not what I; "think about SubCool," and that is not something I go into in open forums here because it would instantly start WW III and bring Armageddon to RIU since SubCool is perceived as being such a beloved; "businessman/rockstar" among many here."

I'm sorry but you are just going to have to live with it ... and of course inaccurately claim I know nothing to tell just because I will not start WW III and tell it in an open forum.

So go ahead and make up all the stories you want ... no matter how many you create all of them put together if multiplied by infinity would never alter what I know too be true.

So you will just have to live with that fact.

 

[lemonz]

are you lot still banging on about this lol if you believe greenthumb buy the seeds if you dont then dont buy the seeds. simples i think you lot to roll one up and just chill the fuck out man

 

[Angry Pollock]

are you lot still banging on about this lol if you believe greenthumb buy the seeds if you dont then dont buy the seeds. simples i think you lot to roll one up and just chill the fuck out man

what he said

 

[doc111]

That is only an assumption on your part. As I said; "You would be amazed by how many things I know that I have never said .. but again; "That's actually what I know about SubCool, not what I; "think about SubCool," and that is not something I go into in open forums here because it would instantly start WW III and bring Armageddon to RIU since SubCool is perceived as being such a beloved; "businessman/rockstar" among many here."

I'm sorry but you are just going to have to live with it ... and of course inaccurately claim I know nothing to tell just because I will not start WW III and tell it in an open forum.

So go ahead and make up all the stories you want ... no matter how many you create all of them put together if multiplied by infinity would never alter what I know too be true.

So you will just have to live with that fact.

Oh, how will I ever 'live with that fact'?

Are you the most arrogant person here at RIU?