Oh no doubt Rose is dope... of all the big stars in the league, Kobe, Rose, Durant, Anthony are my top in all around performance/attitude. I like the way they carry themselves, all I was saying is Rose has accomplished as much as Charles Barkley. Nothing. He can go to the Finals, but all that will do is boast his name in the coming years, but still, nada. That's Lebron's current problem, was a rookie allstar, brought Cleveland to the finals... blah blah blah. But nothing. What I'm saying is, watch out... Rose hasn't proven anything YET... not to say he can't... but Kobe HAS proven himself already. Anything he does from here on out is nothing... because he already has an accomplished career in which he will make HOF, so to base what he does now compared to what he did... is wrong. Even you see that.
Might as well group Jordan's Wizard days... fuck... baseball days... to sum up his career... no? That's what your basically doing to Kobe. Sad thing is, he's the 2-time defending champion right now, with his squad... they go through this slump every season, everyone knows it, & theres always a big name out there that's going to take his head but never does. Last 7 years it's been Lebron, then it was Dwight, then Boston finally did it, then it Durant last years playoffs, now Paul... get over it! Nobody stops him... I'm not saying he's the best ever or the Lakers are... not by any means. So your wrong on your assumption. Michael Jordan was the best player ever, no discussion, but to say Kobe isn't top 10? Really? In his position... yes, he is. Any sports analyst will tell you this, an for someone who's been watching since I was a sperm in the back of your mothers throat when my dad was carelessly pushing her head to his dick, as you said... or something like that lmao. Anyway, when you group top players you have to go by a lot of things, Shaq can be #3 on a list or #1 on another list... because to many things come in to play.
As for you posting videos of how he isn't clutch, you been reading to many Yahoo articles son. He isn't clutch because you can find a few Youtube videos showing he isn't? Your as bad as a Justin Bieber fan, I can also find videos of Lebron missing dunks, does that mean he's a shitty dunker? Pull your dick out of your blowup doll an get with reality here. Kobe's leadership skills right now are incomparable, that of Jordan & even described as deeper. Jordan never needed a dominate center to win a title? Umm, okay, but he needed a damned dominate wingman in Pippen & dominate rebounder in Rodman, so I'd say he did need some help just as much as Kobe did Shaq or Pau. Could Shaq have won a title without Kobe those years? No. So the same can be said for either in who needed who more. Has Wade won since Shaq? No... but does that mean he can't do it without Shaq? No.
Something I see in Rose is leadership... but at a younger age then Kobe. Kobe didn't gain that sort of skill till Gasol came. Rose has it now. That's what makes Rose MVP & what has in my opinion always made Lebron not MVP even though he continued to win it. Lebron is no leader... just a kid. Let's also not forget, another reason I say Rose hasn't proven anything is because we have to see what happens, I have seen TO MANY rookies start out in this league HOT then go COLD fast because of whatever reason or injury. So give him time to gain respect. As for KOBE sitting his rookie years, did you see what team he played for? I'm tired of idiots like you saying Kobe wasn't allstar rookie. HE WAS ON THE FUCKING LAKERS! A REALLY GOOD LAKERS TEAM! Where did Lebron go? Not Boston, not San Antonio, he went to a shitty Cleveland team, so of course he could display his skills to the fullest & get rookie of the season. Same goes with Griffin, or Rose... not to hard when your put into a team THAT NEEDS a star... look at Tyreke Evans with the Kings... does he have a chance of being better then Kobe like Rose? Yes... a chance, but not a good one. Everyone has a chance. Kobe was also on Phil Jackson's team & everyone knows, even today, Jackson HATES rookies & HATES playing young stars. So Kobe was put into a situation that made it difficult to shine, unlike Rose, Lebron, Griffin. But Kobe ASKED for that role to be with LA, so no excuse, just giving you the reason he wasn't played his rookie year, he def. had the skills.
Kobe use to throw games in High School for the first 3 quarters then in the 4th, he'd go on a comeback spree of hitting every shot he wanted, just to make the game interesting & just to see if he could do it by himself. He's been taking over games that long, with that mentality, it's documented information. He was good enough to shine just as bright as any other rookie from his class. So I don't care how long you claim to have watched NBA basketball, since before or after the handcheck & all that other BS........ get one thing straight, you still have to know your shit & you don't. I know players & they're backgrounds & not just Kobe, that goes for a shitload of players in the league, I don't follow teams/players, sorry.