Ron Paul 2012

[deprave]

Ron Paul on MSNBC 05/18/11



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[budlover13]

You know, i just had a thought. Ron Paul is a Dr. An OB/GYN to be exact. So he'd do pretty good in Washington imho. He's used to dealing with pussies and assholes all day long.

 

[CanadianEh]

pres's can only have 2 terms max. plus there is no-one on the board now that could beat out obama. sooooo 4 more years it is.

Yes, i know but that isn't really the idea of that.

Another term or two of democrats, Obama is just the poster child for the people really doing the 'work'. They usually keep on most of the same admin, Obama kept most of Bush admin and still to this day most remain. Wouldn't change if dems were reelected, just a different 'actor' but the same old B.S.

 

[Dan Kone]

Wow... Obama 2012? I don't see how anyone could come to this logical conclusion. He's a one term president. We as a nation learned a very valuable lesson that we tend to need every few decades. I can't wait until this election cycle. If there was a snowball in hell chance Paul could win the primary then we would be in good shape. I JUST DON'T SEE IT HAPPENING, and I am a supporter!

The republicans sure don't think he'll be a one term president. All the viable republican candidates seem to be waiting for 2016

 

[beardo]

Even if Ron Paul got a majority vote would the electoral college votes reflect that? or would they vote for a president independant of the voters?

 

[londonfog]

Ron Paul won't even get the nod from the Repukes...its as simple as that...

 

[budlover13]

Even if Ron Paul got a majority vote would the electoral college votes reflect that? or would they vote for a president independant of the voters?

That would call for action imo.

 

[budlover13]

Ron Paul won't even get the nod from the Repukes...its as simple as that...

Most likely you are right. THAT is why our founding fathers (some of them, obviously not all) fought against the two party system and even went so far as to predict that it would be the downfall of our nation. Sounds like those hemp farmers knew a thing or two. They also fought the Fed. The people have allowed this to continue b/c there is food on the table, an SUV in the driveway of their nice new house, decent employment and so on. When they have to fight for their next meal(hyperinflation), things may be a little different. i don't look forward to the meltdown, but i welcome it b/c it is the only way things will change.

 

[TrynaGroSumShyt]

if i could trust human nature and decision making i would say fuck it let us govern ourselves. but that would create a clusterfuck of problems.

 

[Windsblow]

You know drugs, can have up to 5000% overcharge, big pharma expliots for profits..people need drugs or they die..ok but you need to pay highly inflated prices to get them. Big pharma, insurance, banks are some of the most corrupt entities that mainly run on exploiting citizens of every dollar possible; just the question of how not to get caught.

Before you talk anymore about big pharma, look them up. Dont take my word for it..google and dig away at hard facts. Because while drugs can be good, big pharma pushes a new drug for anything big or small; just to net extra customers people who really dont need drugs are told to take them.
Doctors get kick backs when they get you to use them, conflict of interests..doctors push drugs on nearly anyone for this reasoning, in alot of cases they didnt even need them..but that kickback sure helped swing the tide of that choice.

MONEY is what runs the world, and MONEY is what alot of us are forced to strive for; why
is it such a big surprise all these huge companies are taking it way to far for the sake of higher profits. It isnt; its a fact of life. Leaders need to keep shit like that ^^^ in check -- few bother though, which is why we need 'for the people' leaders to get everything back into check.

Just like they've finally looked into gas prices; what did they find? prices set off of nothing -- CEO's! Made up for the sake of making more money. Chocolate companies like Nestle have been caught doing the same shit, its just natural human greed that exploits for profits.

You know Canada we American pay for your price controlled Pharma market. Your Government puts caps on drug prices and those caps are lower than what the market demands. So we Americans pay the difference.

 

[Windsblow]

but big pharma does happen to have the most lobbyist against marijuana. probably because they fear that once marijuana is legal to use and experiment on that people would stop using these super addictive drugs with side effects worse than the issue at hand in the first place.
but yea, thats great for this country.

This sort of Lobbying is a big Government problem not Big X. If the Government would follow the rule of law and stop regulating then there wouldn't be the lobbying. They would lobby the consumer like they are supposed to. That would equal fairer pricing and government couldn't pass laws to keep competition out of the market.

 

[Windsblow]

Ron Paul won't even get the nod from the Repukes...its as simple as that...

Finally we agree on something.

 

[Carne Seca]

You know Canada we American pay for your price controlled Pharma market. Your Government puts caps on drug prices and those caps are lower than what the market demands. So we Americans pay the difference.

Oh bullshit. Our pharmaceuticals are so high because WE don't have a cap. Which we should. The price of pharmaceuticals is highly inflated because we don't have regulations on pricing. The main reason we pay so much is due to for-profit health care in this country. It's just plain old greed and the worshiping of profit margins.

 

[Windsblow]

if i could trust human nature and decision making i would say fuck it let us govern ourselves. but that would create a clusterfuck of problems.

I don't know of any documented history that supports the idea that a free people fuck everything up. Infact 500 million slaughtered and enslaved people since the construction of the first State says otherwise. Free people create a better world for all. Historically, it's the Government jumping in and playing Kingmaker that fucks everything up.

 

[Windsblow]

Oh bullshit. Our pharmaceuticals are so high because WE don't have a cap. Which we should. The price of pharmaceuticals is highly inflated because we don't have regulations on pricing. The main reason we pay so much is due to for-profit health care in this country. It's just plain old greed and the worshiping of profit margins.

Nope you are wrong... Sorry, There is a cap on American Pharma companies pricing on exports into Canada. You may not have a cap after that but that's not my point.

I am not a Canadian so I might need a little help but explain to me how, in a single payer medical system, for profit healthcare is the cause of increasing prices? I thought the only for profit was the underground healthcare?

 

[JohnTheFarmer]

If you can't tell when someone changes their name on this forum you are dumber then I thought...no one joins a weed forum and the first day they join their first and only posts is on the political side of the forum...yeah right ...sure its not you ???? and no I don't believe shit you say and its not a problem to me for I know the truth, so you just keep trying to change Hi(s)story to yourstory. OBAMA 2012

I am new to the forum. Been lurking riu for quite some time, decided to register yesterday, mainly because I wished to view some photos, etc in the "grow room". For your information, I am a native of the area where the Stars and Bars still flies proudly and we still smell the powder burning. I have no clue who anybody is on this forum.

As for coming into this section of the riu forums, my thesis was a comparative of cultural decline of political societies and the fall of empires over the history of the world and how thier decline relates directly to Natural Law, specifically to Newton's 2nd law of thermodynamics- Entropy. I have always been interested in politics so coming in here and looking around was a natural for me.

Any other questions? Feel free to ask.

 

[JohnTheFarmer]

I don't know of any documented history that supports the idea that a free people fuck everything up. Infact 500 million slaughtered and enslaved people since the construction of the first State says otherwise. Free people create a better world for all. Historically, it's the Government jumping in and playing Kingmaker that fucks everything up.

In the 20th century alone, governments killed more of thier own citizens than all the people who died in all of the 20th century wars combined. It is quite reasonable to state that government is more dangerous than war. Free people do indeed create a better world for all.

 

[budlover13]

In the 20th century alone, governments killed more of thier own citizens than all the people who died in all of the 20th century wars combined. It is quite reasonable to state that government is more dangerous than war. Free people do indeed create a better world for all.

i guess that's why the US was formed, yes? To create a country where you were free to believe and do as you wished so long as you didn't hurt someone else?

 

[budlover13]

Anarchy sucks, but small, local government by the locals works ok imho.

 

[beardo]

Ron Paul won't even get the nod from the Repukes...its as simple as that...

I say we don't let that stop us from electing him

Finally we agree on something.

who is supposed to choose the president? the people or the parties?

Even if Ron Paul got a majority vote would the electoral college votes reflect that? or would they vote for a president independant of the voters?

That would call for action imo.

I think someone should make a "i voted Paul" website or something like that and start a movement to have everyone who wants him to be president write him in and takes a picture of their ID and Ballot on their smart phone and immediately sends it to the site so they can have real time knowledge and proof of how many votes he gets.