JohnTheFarmer
Member
Precisely.
As he looks down upon us, the ghost of Jefferson silently weeps for what this nation has become.
Ron Paul 2012
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As he looks down upon us, the ghost of Jefferson silently weeps for what this nation has become.
It doesn't make him right or wrong who he is, as long as what he says is correct. I guess if you thought he was someone else and really wanted to see who, it would be easy enough to do so. Look at the first post he posted. You don't think anyone has ever joined RIU for reasons other than drugs? It is possible he was searching Ron Paul and got this forum and decided he liked it.
As far as the truth, everything I say is easily fact checked and will prove correct.
Windsblow
Well-Known Member
Do you just make shit up?
Name one "viable" candidate that is waiting for 2016. Then prove that the potential candidate is really waiting out Obama inevitable win.
What is really going on is the Rhino ass Leftist Republic elite are trying to control the selection process, but the Tea Party folks are making it really hard for them.
We will have plenty of candidates and Obama will leave the white house no doubt in my mind.
Who was the one that was going to send free seeds if Obama lost?
londonfog
Well-Known Member
so when you make statements like this we suppose to take it as fact...so NO ONE cared about slaves ??? No One wanted them to be free ????? No one North or South ???? Everyone wanted slavery to continue and this is fact because you say so ??? Hmmmmm I wonder why they had free states prior to the civil war if no one ..hell I wonder why slaves escape to the north..hell I guess the underground raidroad didn't lead to freestates...WTF..keep your lies and yes it does make the North better and the South ignorant,lazy,pieces of shit..
Windsblow
Well-Known Member
The original draft of Jefferson's Declaration of Independence did specifically mention the freeing of slaves. And even after Franklins input and suggestion of not alienating the south before the Union even gets started, words were careful chosen as not mention any support of slavery. Especially the Property concept. To say nobody cared about slavery I believe is wholly incorrect. But to Say the South was somehow just a bunch of slave owning demons is also incorrect. The South had a fast growing population that was rejecting slavery and supported abolishing it. I believe the slavery issue would had gone away without a civil war, because people are naturally good and technology would had made slavery uneconomical. The South and the North both had there problem but the American Constitution and the 10th amendment ones not one of them.
Why is it that people act as if America was the only slave owning state? Britain had slavery all the way up until 1907 at least.
Why is it that people act as if America was the only slave owning state? Britain had slavery all the way up until 1907 at least.
londonfog
Well-Known Member
I think it was 1833 for Britain..Slavery in america took on its own life form very much different from slavery or indentured servants with the Brits..Things like the "Middle Passage" and the "Second Middle Passge" , along with the general thinking and treating of people based on color only was from the slavery create in America. I personally think the Civil War was a price the North and the South paid for slavery.
OregonMeds
Well-Known Member
True, to a certain degree but if you had only added the words EDUCATED AND INFORMED between the words "free and people" then I'd really feel better about the idea of mob rule.
When the mob believes in fairy tales like jesus and god, that the planet and everything on it is here for them, that they and their gods are better than the others and their gods, and gods chosen people, and when the public is anti abortion, pro religous indoctrination in schools, so easily propagandized and tricked with false flags to go to war, and tricked by fear to start new agencies and give up rights, and etc etc then no it's still a very very bad idea. The masses need to get better informed and better educated just to make what should be one single obvious decision after decades of the wrong decision over and over, who should be president.
We clearly aren't even there yet with all the obama supporters in this thread not seeing how he is part of the enemy to us all and our future. They don't see that the powers that be control both sides, they don't see that the people are manipulated into left vs right straight vs gay, white vs black thinking etc etc on purpose just to divide and conquer and keep us from focusing on what's actually wrong and making any changes.
Our government was supposed to provide a buffer of educated and intelligent individuals who had our countries best interests and peoples best interests at heart, a buffer between all the above crazyness and creating laws idiotically and mob rule. It was also never designed to have lobbying run it or the military industrial complex or banks setting the rules.
Unfortunately though you can see plenty of people still want obama, again, while he runs us into the ground every day even more just continiuing to raise the debt ceiling, and continuing to spend more than we can afford, and continuing to strip our rights, and continuing to work the system for all the rich people and corporations at the expense of the masses and continuing with the federal reserve scam.
Until people wake up to all the above and grow out of much of this, until they learn to allow others freedoms they may not agree with just beacause it's right for everyone to have those freedoms, until they learn to see cause and effect in our horrible legal and justice system for things like mandatory minumums etc the mob doesnt deserve to rule a damn thing, and could and probably would make things much much worse than the big scam we have now.
It's a shame, but that's the whole truth. The fact that our government is to blame for much of the people being too dumb to know better, well, still it's upon the people ultimately for allowing it.
deprave
New Member
Right on Oregon Meds, I agree with you on that, it is a complicated subject why people don't open their eyes to this, denial is one such reason, another reason is that so few even study politics and history. the grim truth is that bankers run this country right now more than ever and that they are destroying the american dream and treating us as animals. You just gotta live your life and enjoy it, life is really awesome and humanity the real humanity is very loving. Life is really easy right now in America and I think thats what makes it so easy to take advantage of us. We have a fuzzy idea what all these evil mother fuckers have planned but I believe in the end their failure is assured for they will be be gravely out numbered even today with the 3% that see it for what it is its still probably 300 of us to 1 of them.
"...the final world war will be fought with stones" - Albert Einstein (paraphrasing)
*****Ron Paul 2012 for Revolution - for America****
"...the final world war will be fought with stones" - Albert Einstein (paraphrasing)
*****Ron Paul 2012 for Revolution - for America****
deprave
New Member
"Ron Paul Loves To Work With Progressives & Socialist In Congress!" HILARIOUS! FOX Hit Piece
[video=youtube;j4eTr-YMQMI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4eTr-YMQMI[/video]
Today on sheeple agenda:
FASCIST ROUND TABLE TODAY
- Puppets tell you who to vote for -
I tried to type out all the lies as I watched, I type 93 words a minute and at times I couldn't keep up, I missed quite a few, so please forgive me for any lies, deceit, propaganda, and false information about Ron Paul and other things. I overlooked. :
"Ron Paul is not a clear thinker" -lopsided face guy
"Ron Paul gives libertarians a bad name"-lopsided face guy
"Little crazy, not as crazy as last year, not getting elected" -random hot chick
"he says he wouldn't go after terrorist unless the foreign government allowed him"
"favored elimination of aid to Israel....This is not aid.....2.4 trillion dollars so what..."
"UN American & Israel occupation is important to our fight on terrorist"
"he(Ron Paul) will harm America as a superpower"
"Hezbullah will take over the whole middle east"
"Hamas is a threat to the United States"
"destroy israel first and then the united states"
"lets hope and pray Ron Paul isn't elected president"
"If Ron Paul is elected this will be devastating for the Jewish and the United States of America"
"Israel is the only western like democracy in the middle east"
"Ron Paul ain't getting elected president"
"these extreme beliefs" (legalizing heroin)
"prostitution, drugs, driving fast"
"those that maintain our national security(Israel)"
They are scared to death of Ron Paul - and they want you to feel the same way.
[video=youtube;j4eTr-YMQMI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4eTr-YMQMI[/video]
Today on sheeple agenda:
FASCIST ROUND TABLE TODAY
- Puppets tell you who to vote for -
I tried to type out all the lies as I watched, I type 93 words a minute and at times I couldn't keep up, I missed quite a few, so please forgive me for any lies, deceit, propaganda, and false information about Ron Paul and other things. I overlooked. :
"Ron Paul is not a clear thinker" -lopsided face guy
"Ron Paul gives libertarians a bad name"-lopsided face guy
"Little crazy, not as crazy as last year, not getting elected" -random hot chick
"he says he wouldn't go after terrorist unless the foreign government allowed him"
"favored elimination of aid to Israel....This is not aid.....2.4 trillion dollars so what..."
"UN American & Israel occupation is important to our fight on terrorist"
"he(Ron Paul) will harm America as a superpower"
"Hezbullah will take over the whole middle east"
"Hamas is a threat to the United States"
"destroy israel first and then the united states"
"lets hope and pray Ron Paul isn't elected president"
"If Ron Paul is elected this will be devastating for the Jewish and the United States of America"
"Israel is the only western like democracy in the middle east"
"Ron Paul ain't getting elected president"
"these extreme beliefs" (legalizing heroin)
"prostitution, drugs, driving fast"
"those that maintain our national security(Israel)"
They are scared to death of Ron Paul - and they want you to feel the same way.
They didn't have slaves in the North for the most part, so freeing them didn't mean jack crap to the Northerners. The fact that the Northerners kept buying slave labor products from the South, and only wanted to count blacks as people when it benefited the North proves that a vast majority of people didn't really care that much, if at all.
You can either consider the North and South as separate entities - neither of who previous to the civil war really tried to get rid of slavery - or you can count the people in both the North and South as individuals and realize that abolitionists existed North and South. The train started in the South, it wasn't like it was Northerners doing the smuggling of people out. Individuals cared - society didn't. The only reason they outlawed slavery in the North was because they didn't have many slaves to begin with, so it was easy. It would be like Miama outlawing snow.
I find it amusing that you rail so hard against slavery but you openly want to increase taxes, and increase government control. Im sure you often jerk off to thoughts of a utopia where people take nothing of their own work home, and everything comes from the government. What do you call someone who doesn't make any money for his work and depends on his overlord for everything in his life?
CanadianEh
Active Member
The board makes its determination based on a variety of things - comparable prices of similar drugs, prices paid in other countries, and of course the willingness of the company to sell at that price; naturally, the Board isn't going to demand so low a price that the drug company can't make money off it.
End of the day they make less profits; but profits at that. Our healthcare is terrible though.. anything serious like cancer you go pay for American healthcare so you can live. The prices are marked up huge amounts to begin with, so reality is Americans are still getting screwed. Hell we all are when you look at what we should actually be paying for drugs that are very expensive.
deprave
New Member
Older videos, Covering Ron Pauls successes in his fight against the FED recently.
[video=youtube;GMwAD5o7PEM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMwAD5o7PEM[/video]
[video=youtube;6yTHRa6hQlc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yTHRa6hQlc[/video]
[video=youtube;ewTCXK3Wob0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewTCXK3Wob0[/video]
Older Video - A previously unaired interview with larry king:
[video=youtube;duWhfhItwW8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duWhfhItwW8[/video]
[video=youtube;GMwAD5o7PEM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMwAD5o7PEM[/video]
[video=youtube;6yTHRa6hQlc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yTHRa6hQlc[/video]
[video=youtube;ewTCXK3Wob0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewTCXK3Wob0[/video]
Older Video - A previously unaired interview with larry king:
[video=youtube;duWhfhItwW8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duWhfhItwW8[/video]
londonfog
Well-Known Member
Again you make statements that shows how blind you are to this subject...Lets start with you saying "They didn't have slaves in the North for the most part, so freeing them didn't mean jack crap to the Northerners". How incorrect you are they did have slavery in the North in fact New Egland was one of the biggest slave trade hubs in the colonies, but with the American Revolution that changed in the North.The argument based on the Enlightenment doctrine of “natural rights,” immediately ran into the hypocrisy of a slave-owning people crying out for freedom. Emancipation in the North also involved a religious component called the Quackers (Society of Friends).but again the biggest hit to Northern slavery was the Revolutionary War. Northern colonies, began to offer their slaves manumission or freedom in exchange for military service whilst the Brits offered freedom for any slave who joined them. The result of these convergence of forces was that, between 1777 and 1804, the Northern colonies and states, one by one, gave up on slavery. By the time of the 1790 census, 94 percent of the 698,000 U.S. slaves lived below the Mason-Dixon Line. I suggest you read a book or two on the American Revolution or Slavery in the North
Now far as taxes I only want to return to the pre-bush years of taxes...It would not include people who scan items at WalMart that make under 250,000 a year. I find it funny how people complain about the government, but when a "natural act" happens like a flood or tornado or hurricanes they are the first to ask government to help them out...
Windsblow
Well-Known Member
Nope, Colonial Britain had indentured servitude and a huge portion of those servants never became subject and the English never intended on it. That is called slavery. I am sure you can find people alive right now in India that were British slaves (servants) that never became subjects.
Windsblow
Well-Known Member
The point is that there are price controls so any cut in the margin in one place has to be made up by other consumers.
Yeah, I hear that..... My uncle just died of Cancer in Canada 2 month ago. What a horrible experience, what an undignified way to be treated as you die. They considered him terminal so the plan was not to give him as long of a life as possible just a painless death. Totally different philosophy the the American philosophy.
londonfog
Well-Known Member
are you saying that Britain did not do away with salavery in 1833 ????? do you know the difference between indentured servant and slavery ???? Are you saying that Slavery in america was not different than in Britain???do you have any links to support what you say...you can google Britain slavery 1833 if you like, but please show me or point me in the right direction to information that support what you say..
To suggest slavery was ever at the same level in the north as the south is about as silly as it gets.
"Colonial slavery had a slow start, particularly in the North. The proportion there never got much above 5 percent of the total population. Scholars have speculated as to why, without coming to a definite conclusion. Some surmise that indentured servants were fundamentally better suited to the Northern climate, crops, and tasks at hand; some claim that anti-slavery sentiment provided the explanation. At the time of the American Revolution, fewer than 10 percent of the half million slaves in the thirteen colonies resided in the North, working primarily in agriculture. New York had the greatest number, with just over 20,000. New Jersey had close to 12,000 slaves. Vermont was the first Northern region to abolish slavery when it became an independent republic in 1777. Most of the original Northern colonies implemented a process of gradual emancipation in the late eighteenth and early nineteenth centuries, requiring the children of slave mothers to remain in servitude for a set period, typically 28 years. Other regions above the Mason-Dixon line ended slavery upon statehood early in the nineteenth century -- Ohio in 1803 and Indiana in 1816, for instance."
There are your numbers. 10 percent or 50k slaves in all of the north. Slavery also continued in the north until Indiana got rid of it in 1816. So - not only were you absolutely wrong about slavery in the north to begin with, you were also incorrect on the dates.
The entire premise of your response just imploded. Slavery was never really big in the North. It's like saying apples are huge growers in Florida because I have a apple tree in my front yard.
1790 it was 94% in the South. In 1777 it was 90% in the South. Do you see a recurring theme with your attempts at rebuttal for my statements on history? You are always wrong - PROVEN WRONG BY FACTS.
You can make things up or say them in vague ways to defend your indefensible position if you want. I am not promoting slavery, or saying it was right. What I am saying is that slavery was a secondary thought of the war, and not the root cause. Slavery wasn't even at risk until they went to war - so how could that possibly be the main cause? It would of been 30-40 years before slavery went away in the normal course of things in the South.
I don't want the government to bail me out, I didn't make stupid decisions to buy a house on a river that floods every year, have 5 kids and drop out of highschool, or buy a 500k house because they would loan me 500k then it only be worth 150k the next year. I saw what was happening and I am perfectly capable of taking care of myself. I don't need a babysitter. The fact that you feel that you do is a severe problem with your mentality. I don't need a government hand out if a hurricane hits my house. Do you know why? I HAVE INSURANCE - Just like every other person who has a loan in the states where hurricanes hit. Oh, and sink hole and tree falling and ect ect. I also have health insurance, because I know if I get hurt, it will cost more than it would to pay my health insurance premiums. Oh, and a retirement fund, because I know Ill get old some day and have to take care of myself. Car insurance, health insurance, retirement fund, savings, conservative spending, living within my means. Is any of this sinking into you?
So when you quickly scan and read what year people abolished slavery and such, do you not actually read it? That only freed slaves under the age of 6 and the others had to wait for a few more years. It also did not apply to holdings of the East India Company and the almost 1 million slaves there. Who were freed in 1843.