Cops Shoot Kid, Charge Kid's Friend with the Murder

[UncleBuck]

makes perfect sense.

A 16-year-old boy has been charged with murder after a Chicago police officer fatally shot his 15-year-old friend Wednesday on the South Side.

Brandon Ross and his friend Tatioun Williams allegedly robbed a man at gunpoint in the 7000 block of South Cregier Avenue Wednesday evening, and were confronted by police officers a short time later, the Chicago Tribune reports.


When the officers told the teens to stop, Williams, who was holding the gun, allegedly turned in the officer's direction, Fox Chicago reports. Fearing for her life, the officer shot the 15-year-old, killing him.



"They could have taken him to jail, they could have done anything but taken his life," Williams' mother told the Tribune Thursday.



Under state law, police can charge someone with murder when an accomplice is killed during the commission of a crime. Even though Ross didn't pull the trigger, he was charged as an adult with murder and armed robbery. He was ordered held on $900,000 bail Friday.



The teens allegedly took a wallet and iPod from a 27-year-old man before the shooting.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/27/brandon-ross-charged-with_n_868289.html

 

[wayno30]

sounds fair to me .....lets charge his parents too

 

[medicalgrowman]

sounds like a "good shoot" to me.
The kids/criminals used a firearm in the act of a crime.
The Officer has the right to defend himself/herself when a known criminal is armed with a firearm.
The smartest thing the kid with the gun could have done upon seeing the officer,
is to lay-down on the ground and discard the weapon asap.
Or better yet, not commit the crime in the first place.
As far as charging the accomplice with murder,
I don't know what to think about that.

 

[UncleBuck]

sounds like a "good shoot" to me.
The kids/criminals used a firearm in the act of a crime.
The Officer has the right to defend himself/herself when a known criminal is armed with a firearm.
The smartest thing the kid with the gun could have done upon seeing the officer,
is to lay-down on the ground and discard the weapon asap.
Or better yet, not commit the crime in the first place.
As far as charging the accomplice with murder,
I don't know what to think about that.

i get the logic behind it. if you are involved in a crime where a murder is committed, you are just as guilty of murder even if you did not pull the trigger.

but are the cops saying they committed a murder? i thought it was "self defense". it only makes sense to charge the kid with murder if the cops admit they got trigger happy and committed murder, not self-defense.

i am someone who actually sides with the cops quite frequently, but this one has me scratching my head.

 

[NoDrama]

Shouldn't the kids teachers be held responsible too? I mean they are the ones teaching him right? Don't they teach kids that getting caught by the police is a crime?

 

[sso]

i commit armed robbery, the cops shoot my pal and then charge me for murdering him, while i didnt even have a gun?

yeah, that...makes...sense..

 

[UncleBuck]

i commit armed robbery, the cops shoot my pal and then charge me for murdering him, while i didnt even have a gun?

yeah, that...makes...sense..

the precedent goes like this:

you and your friend go rob a house. the owner wakes up and your friend shoots him dead. that makes you just as guilty of murder as him, as you were both involved in the crime that lead to the murder.

i just think it is a stretch to apply it to this case.

 

[Cali chronic]

Well what they charge you with at first and the DA follows through on are two different things. I could care less about the kid or his friend... I wish we could still have shoot outs like int he Ol west ---Learn some folks some country manners! Though shall not steal nor will I spare the Rod. Rule of Thumb.

 

[Dirty Harry]

It's called the felony murder rule in my state. If ANY death accrues during the commission of a felony, those involved in the felony will be charged for causing the death.
If you rob a store, and the elderly clerk has a heart attack during the crime and dies later...You murdered her.

 

[NoDrama]

It's called the felony murder rule in my state. If ANY death accrues during the commission of a felony, those involved in the felony will be charged for causing the death.
If you rob a store, and the elderly clerk has a heart attack during the crime and dies later...You murdered her.

The original person who had his I-pod and wallet stolen is still alive, he wasn't shot. A death did NOT occur during the commission of a felony. The death occurred well AFTER the commission of a felony. A smart policeman would have shot both kids and claimed self defense, leaving one alive to tell the truth will only cause problems for the police.

 

[sso]

the precedent goes like this:

you and your friend go rob a house. the owner wakes up and your friend shoots him dead. that makes you just as guilty of murder as him, as you were both involved in the crime that lead to the murder.

i just think it is a stretch to apply it to this case.

well, if you know about the gun and know your friend is prepared to use it and accept that, then yes, id agree with that.
takes kind of a dumbass to think you can go armed robbering and think your waving a gun does not imply deaththreats.

but in this case its a bit more than a....stretch..

but i think i can see the logic though, you go out with your friend who has a gun and rob at gunpoint, dont surrender to the police who now have innocent lives on the line, that you just threatened.
forcing them to shoot your friend with the gun.

so in effect,you end up murdering your friend by your actions.

 

[NoDrama]

Lets use some common sense here people. The police are trying to charge someone with a crime they did not commit. They should only be able to charge him with accomplice to armed robbery and nothing more.

 

[cannabisguru]

sounds like a "good shoot" to me.
The kids/criminals used a firearm in the act of a crime.
The Officer has the right to defend himself/herself when a known criminal is armed with a firearm.
The smartest thing the kid with the gun could have done upon seeing the officer,
is to lay-down on the ground and discard the weapon asap.
Or better yet, not commit the crime in the first place.
As far as charging the accomplice with murder,
I don't know what to think about that.

Well, you have a good valid argument/point here my friend.. however the laws for murder coincide or are very similar to the laws against cannabis and other drugs. For instance.. lets say you need a ride somewhere so you call up a friend of yours. He picks you up and takes you where ever your wanting to go.. but along the way he gets pulled over for what ever the reason might be. Well, Unbeknownst to you.. he's got half a kilo of coke in the trunk and the DEA/popo has been watching him for almost a year now.. but again, lets say you have no idea about any of it. Guess what.. if your in the car with the person.. you too (depending on what state your from.. as state laws vary from state to state) can and most likely will be charged as an accessory or possibly be charged with possession of a controlled substance (felony)... the same charges they give the driver.. they can give to you as well.. just for being in the car with the person and for being in the car with a kilo of coke.

It's just how it goes in some states.. rather you really did anything or knew about anything or not. If you get caught with the person that committed the crime, no matter what the crime is.. most state laws consider you to be an accessory to that crime.. which means you get charged with that crime too.

But again, laws vary depending on what state your in.. but generally speaking, most states will charge you if your caught with the person doing the crime.. or if you were with the person or in the same room as the person committing the crime.

Better to be safe than sorry bro..


have a safe but fun Memorial Day weekend everyone.

peace & love to all of ya's!

 

[UncleBuck]

The original person who had his I-pod and wallet stolen is still alive, he wasn't shot. A death did NOT occur during the commission of a felony. The death occurred well AFTER the commission of a felony.

good point. did not consider that angle.

 

[Dirty Harry]

good point. did not consider that angle.

Separate crime. If the youngster did point a weapon at the officer, that's threatening to use a deadly weapon and possibly attempted murder because the officer was faster at the draw.
In my state that is a felony, and so is eluding an officer. You run down the sidewalk running from the cop, knock someone over and they fall hitting their head and dies...YOU ARE FUCKED!

 

[NoDrama]

Separate crime. If the youngster did point a weapon at the officer, that's threatening to use a deadly weapon and possibly attempted murder because the officer was faster at the draw.
In my state that is a felony, and so is eluding an officer. You run down the sidewalk running from the cop, knock someone over and they fall hitting their head and dies...YOU ARE FUCKED!

Does your state charge YOU with murder if a Police officer kills your friend?

 

[Dirty Harry]

Does your state charge YOU with murder if a Police officer kills your friend?

If there was a felony being committed and we were all involved, yes it will. It has in the past for others acting as a group. It is a scare tactic law, but it holds water.

 

[NoDrama]

What if the felony was committed last week, and your friend gets shot today? Still think its ok to charge you with his murder since the police were seeking him for the felony committed last week?

 

[dababydroman]

how can anybody possibly say this is correct. kids do dumb things sometimes, sometimes relsulting in getting shot, i guess. but why the hell would they go and charge the other kid for murder? when he gets out he will be a be a murderer, and he will murder someone, most likely a police officer.

 

[budlover13]

Homicide. Straight up. By Cali law at least. Homicide for the accomplice that is.