budlover13
King Tut
Funny. When in the academy we had a cadet that had a misfire and turned her weapon in our direction. Each and avery one of us drew down on her. Just a reaction.
Cops Shoot Kid, Charge Kid's Friend with the Murder
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well she turned her WEAPON, in the story the kids turns while holding the weapon, for all we know he was holding it by the barrel, there isn't enough facts to come to that conclusion, although the story is written in such a way as to infer ALL SORTS of wrongdoings by the youths. In fact it was written so well that many read it twice and still came to false conclusions.
in the Marines we regularly had loaded weapons pointed at each other, hell we shot 6 inches over each other heads. Never had an incident in 8 years.
sync0s
Well-Known Member
Doesn't really matter. People are taught over and over again that having a weapon and turning to police will get you killed. I've seen this said thousands of times on COPS and that's been around since I was little. Cops have a risky job and if someone turned at me with a weapon I'd shoot first too.
They aren't even in the top 10 most dangerous jobs. Farmers have a MUCH HIGHER death rate on the job. You don't see farmers lobbying for the government to make farming safer.
budlover13
King Tut
Understood and respected. i'm a proponent of open carry. But at this time, in our society, it is unwise to have a weapon when confronted by an officer. Had i ask an armed robbery suspect to stop(when i was a cop OR now) and he turns with a weapon in his hand, i'm gonna smoke him. You would to ND, as a soldier. As a civilian? idk. The cops are somewhere in between.
Command them to drop their weapon. Wait for them to actually point the weapon at you, believe me when I tell you that if the gun isn't pointed at you, it most likely can't hurt you. And then shooting in a non lethal area? Perhaps calling backup would have helped. This isn't war, there are no clearly defined enemies that you can "Smoke." You can't go around killing kids on mere suspicion and then, to deflect blame and ridicule, levy charges against the dead kids friend.
Chad Sexington
Active Member
It is fine that the kid with the gun got smoked, I can see why, but to charge his friend with murder is not logical. If a murder was committed by his friend during their alleged crime, then fine charge him with murder. But neither of these kids committed murder.
budlover13
King Tut
i hear what you say about the weapon not being pointed at him, but when someone turns and has a weapon it happens fast, very fast. As for non-lethal? Center mass, every time. You should know that. Circus shots aren't generally an option.
Luger187
Well-Known Member
wtf? the kid was carrying a gun. the cop feared for her life, so she shot him. isnt it a felony for a kid to walk around the streets of chicago robbing people with a gun? or even just have the gun period?
Luger187
Well-Known Member
well when your a cop in chicago dealing with thugs that hate cops, its a little different. those people at the shooting range are (mostly) responsible citizens that just like to go shoot in a safe way. go to the streets of chicago and let some random person point a gun at you. see how you feel then. guns are restricted there for a reason
most of those farmer deaths are probably from work related accidents. walking up to a car alone at night on patrol tends to put people on edge a bit more than driving a tractor. you dont know whos in that car. every single time they make a traffic stop or confront someone, theyre potentially putting their lives at risk.
Police should not be so fearful of guns that they go around "Smoking" kids. Just like High rise workers should not be afraid of heights and postal carriers should not be afraid of little barking dogs. Police are specially trained to deal with criminals, by ending their lives with no forethought at all. Used to be a time when police were trained to serve and protect the citizen, but now they just serve and protect their own and the status quo. Police see the citizen as the enemy in a war of us against them. When everyone is a clearly defined enemy, its easy to go around "Smoking" them.
budlover, I really respect your opinion and am glad you have participated in the discussion. The part where you said center mass is true, because that is where you have the best chance of hitting someone if your aim is not so good. I certainly do not intend to cast aspersions your way when I use the term "Smoke" as it only infers a police mindset and it is not your true self that coined those words, it was something that was used in your past and is ingrained in your head.
budlover, I really respect your opinion and am glad you have participated in the discussion. The part where you said center mass is true, because that is where you have the best chance of hitting someone if your aim is not so good. I certainly do not intend to cast aspersions your way when I use the term "Smoke" as it only infers a police mindset and it is not your true self that coined those words, it was something that was used in your past and is ingrained in your head.
budlover13
King Tut
Thank you ND.
The funny part is that i never HAD that mindset when i was a cop. And didn't see it too often either. The fear of guns, never the "Smoke" em attitude. i mean there ARE situations where it's called for but they are only when "Smoking" them is in the best interest of the public. Such as the classic bank robbery/hostage situation. i'm PERSONALLY of the mindset that it is insane to speak sanity to lunatics. And when that lunatic picks up a weapon and threatens another person, ESPECIALLY when done for stupid crap like money, they are deserving of being summarily executed. The worst near-shooting incindent i ever got in was with a meth-head in his backyard(he called us there 3 times thinking someone was prowling) who met us the 3rd time with a gun. It was not pointed at me or the other officer. It was pointed about 45 degrees downward and to my left maybe 3-5 feet. i drew and ordered him to drop his gun. No response. Orders again from my back-up and i. No verbal response just kinda looking around with those meth-eyes. Ordered the third time and began sqeezing the trigger on my S&W 4506. idk if he saw me sqeezing or not, but he dropped the gun when i was about half way through the hammer draw. He was within fractions of a second of losing his life. Center mass was where i was aiming. i scored second in my graduating class in accuracy while at the range. Trust me when i say, this was NOT the range. Adrenaline does some strange things to the body. Strange, but predictable. Quickening of breathing, shakiness, extreme visual and audio accuity(sp?) among others. THAT is why they teach to shoot center mass. Because in all seriousness, it simply isn't like being at the range.
Would the shooting have been justified legally? Yes. Morally? Imo, yes.
*EDIT Sorry for the wall of text. It's a weird thing how every time i tell that story i go back to the shaking and edginess. A simple adrenaline dump triggered by a memory.
I hunt, alot, that feeling you have is what we call buck fever. You get used to it and after a while it does not bother you anymore.
budlover13
King Tut
No, i have hunted a lot too. i didn't feel buck fever. i felt the overwhelming urge to defend my life.
No, you overreacted and panicked. You were about to kill someone because they were not following your commands. If his weapon had been pointed at you then maybe I would see your point, but it wasn't. BTW what was the level of Meth in his system?
Dankster4Life
Well-Known Member
Good thread....
And hopefully most can reread and see it comes down to one thing
HIDING behind the LAW.
Some of these posts were so retardo
And hopefully most can reread and see it comes down to one thing
HIDING behind the LAW.
Some of these posts were so retardo