The Truth About Ron Paul - Part 2

[deprave]

Odd that he happens to be against the civil rights movement (for constitutional reasons of course), against MLK's birthday (because he doesn't like his economic policies of course), publishes a racist newsletter (that of course he had nothing to do with writing) and even opposes Abraham Lincoln's presidency and thinks the civil war was a senseless power grab by the north(for states rights reasons of course).

Now individually none of those things are necessarily racist (except the civil war stuff) or anti-black, but those are exactly the type of things racists say when trying to pass off their ignorant views in a mainstream way.

Trying to claim that Ron Paul has the best interest of black Americans in mind is a pretty tough sell.

even more Odd that you don't read the original post in a thread that you post so much on. (or even watch the videos) - Watch the video for #4 racist and read the text please.

 

[Dan Kone]

First off Ron Paul supporters on their worst day know more than you portend on your best day.

So you tell me. I'm still waiting to see a demonstration of that.

The reason is they follow his policies and do not get info from soundbites like you do.

Ok, I see what you're doing here. You're accusing me of exactly what most Ron Paul supporters are doing here hoping that by going on the offensive it'll deflect attention.

It's pretty absurd to say that my information is in soundbite form when I type page long responses full of detailed information and the reply I get is usually a 30sec video clip of Ron Paul speaking. lol

My only response to that is this -

If you have to resort to total dishonesty to make your point, is that point really worth making at all?

 

[Dan Kone]

even more Odd that you don't read the original post in a thread that you post so much on. (or even watch the videos)

Oh you mean the one that says in super bold print Ron Paul is not a racist because Ron Paul said he's not a racist! Yeah, read that. While that is a compelling argument I'm going to go ahead and look at Ron Paul's total body of work rather than just blindly believe every statement coming from someone who's running for president.

Here's how I see it.

On one side you have:

Ron Paul - Anti emancipation proclamation, anti civil rights ammendment, thinks the north was wrong to fight the civil war, publishes a racist newsletter in his name that appears to be written by him in the first person that he's defended in the past, and against MLK's birthday as a holiday.

on the other side you have Ron Paul saying "I'm not a racist"

You have to really be sippin the koolaide to ignore all the evidence and instead just take his word for it.

Did you believe Nixon when he said "I'm not a crook". After all, he said it so we must ignore everything else and believe him right?

 

[Dan Kone]

so, replace public schools with google?

yeah, that'll work.

He's not against public schools! He just thinks that public schools are a communist plot, and we should get rid of the department of education and cut off all fed funding for schools.

That's somehow totally different than being against public schools. I'm not sure how, but I bet there is a really convenient explanation. That explanation will probably be as reasonable for the reasons for Ron Paul not being racist even though he thought ending slavery was a bad idea. (yes, he was against ending slavery. but don't worry, I've been assured that he's a champion of black people)

 

[UncleBuck]

He's not against public schools! He just thinks that public schools are a communist plot, and we should get rid of the department of education and cut off all fed funding for schools.

That's somehow totally different than being against public schools. I'm not sure how, but I bet there is a really convenient explanation. That explanation will probably be as reasonable for the reasons for Ron Paul not being racist even though he thought ending slavery was a bad idea. (yes, he was against ending slavery. but don't worry, I've been assured that he's a champion of black people)

fucking communists with their 'public education'.

 

[deprave]

Oh you mean the one that says in super bold print Ron Paul is not a racist because Ron Paul said he's not a racist! Yeah, read that. While that is a compelling argument I'm going to go ahead and look at Ron Paul's total body of work rather than just blindly believe every statement coming from someone who's running for president.

Here's how I see it.

On one side you have:

Ron Paul - Anti emancipation proclamation, anti civil rights ammendment, thinks the north was wrong to fight the civil war, publishes a racist newsletter in his name that appears to be written by him in the first person that he's defended in the past, and against MLK's birthday as a holiday.

on the other side you have Ron Paul saying "I'm not a racist"

You have to really be sippin the koolaide to ignore all the evidence and instead just take his word for it.

Did you believe Nixon when he said "I'm not a crook". After all, he said it so we must ignore everything else and believe him right?

READ THE TEXT IF YOU DON'T WANT TO WATCH THE VIDEO - But the video he gets grilled on this subject pretty good, If you don't want to do that you can go to google yourself and see even the paper itself admitted they don't know who wrote it and that Ron Paul was never interviewed.

The rest of the things you just said I also addressed in the original post and need no further elaboration, Again, Please take the time to read the original post or to actually read a few of Ron Pauls literature or speeches yourself after you remove your Ron Paul Mental block that Norm has inserted into your brain.

 

[beardo]

Most people would do better to have more life experience and less school. getting rid of the dep of education is a great idea, the majority of kids should be home schooled and learning what they need to know not what they put in some book. The theory of evolution should not be pushed on kids and neither should all the other propaganda.

 

[Dan Kone]

READ THE TEXT IF YOU DON'T WANT TO WATCH THE VIDEO - But the video he gets grilled on this subject pretty good,

ok. I watched the video. Yes, once again I understand Ron Paul denied saying those things when he ran in 2008. But he still defended them in 1996.

Also was there supposed to be something in that video clip that explains how it's possible for him not to be racist, but against the emancipation proclamation and against government intervention to end slavery?

Like I said, to believe someone is not a racist when they think ending slavery was a bad idea is pretty lol.

Before this started I really didn't know much about Ron Paul being a racist. But now that I've looked into it a bit all doubt has been removed. He's definitely a racist. Now my only question is about you guys. When you're this willing to defend someone who was against ending slavery, it makes me wonder about you.

 

[Dan Kone]

Most people would do better to have more life experience and less school. getting rid of the dep of education is a great idea, the majority of kids should be home schooled and learning what they need to know not what they put in some book. The theory of evolution should not be pushed on kids and neither should all the other propaganda.

that's the best argument I've ever seen for the necessity of the dept of education. Thanks. We need it to protect kids minds from people like you.

 

[beardo]

that's the best argument I've ever seen for the necessity of the dept of education. Thanks. We need it to protect kids minds from people like you.

Everyone goes to school to study the same things from the same books and then chooses what to do with their lives based on a set of choices, why not have everyone learn to do what their good at or what their parents are good at or what the people in their community are good at? If your dad and grandpa were mechanics wouldn't your time be better spent learning under them than going to school? People could also achieve higher life time productivity if they started working younger and spent less time in school.

 

[UncleBuck]

Everyone goes to school to study the same things from the same books and then chooses what to do with their lives based on a set of choices, why not have everyone learn to do what their good at or what their parents are good at or what the people in their community are good at? If your dad and grandpa were mechanics wouldn't your time be better spent learning under them than going to school? People could also achieve higher life time productivity if they started working younger and spent less time in school.

going to school and becoming a mechanic are not mutually exclusive.

in fact, based on the years of experience i had dealing with mechanics, most of them would do well to take some basic accounting and business courses. great people, but not many of them could run their own business worth a damn.

 

[beardo]

going to school and becoming a mechanic are not mutually exclusive.

in fact, based on the years of experience i had dealing with mechanics, most of them would do well to take some basic accounting and business courses. great people, but not many of them could run their own business worth a damn.

I agree and I think the free market DR Paul advocates would take care of this. If you were a mechanic and you weren't to good with the business or the math and noticed people who were seemed to be doing better than you, you would probably take some business courses at your own expense and if your kids wanted to take over or start their own business they could save the pay they make doing oil changes and invest it in an education beyond what you were able to give them and in such a society their would be courses available to fill this demand.

 

[UncleBuck]

I agree and I think the free market DR Paul advocates would take care of this. If you were a mechanic and you weren't to good with the business or the math and noticed people who were seemed to be doing better than you, you would probably take some business courses at your own expense and if your kids wanted to take over or start their own business they could save the pay they make doing oil changes and invest it in an education beyond what you were able to give them and in such a society their would be courses available to fill this demand.

yes, ron paul will wave a magic wand where those who do oil changes for a living will not only be able to take care of themselves, but take business courses at the university.

yay for ron paul and his magic wand!

 

[beardo]

yes, ron paul will wave a magic wand where those who do oil changes for a living will not only be able to take care of themselves, but take business courses at the university.

yay for ron paul and his magic wand!

The magic wand is called the Constitution.

 

[Dan Kone]

why not have everyone learn to do what their good at or what their parents are good at or what the people in their community are good at?

Works for China. But I think the right to determine you're own future is pretty sweet, so I'll have to pass.

If your dad and grandpa were mechanics wouldn't your time be better spent learning under them than going to school?

What if your dad and grandpa were mechanics and you wanted to be something else? You're just fucked because when you were 6 your dad decided you were going to be a mechanic? That's fucked up.

A 5 minute conversation with the average American is a really good argument against homeschooling.

 

[UncleBuck]

The magic want is called the Constitution.

yes, a document penned by wealthy aristocrats in a centuries old agrarian society will give us all a college education!

USA! USA! USA!

 

[beardo]

yes, a document penned by wealthy aristocrats in a centuries old agrarian society will give us all a college education!

USA! USA! USA!

Most people shouldn't have a college education, they should be working in the feilds or in the mines and reading their bible and constitution after work and working six days a week.

 

[Dan Kone]

The magic wand is called the Constitution.

so he waves his magic wand and a failed mechanic who's been a mechanic since he was 6, can afford college and can keep up with the course work. Wow. That's some magic

 

[UncleBuck]

Most people shouldn't have a college education, they should be working in the feilds or in the mines and reading their bible and constitution after work and working six days a week.

most people shouldn't be lying, thieving, STD-ridden KKK aficionados.

oh, wait. most aren't. thank goodness!

 

[UncleBuck]

so he waves his magic wand and a failed mechanic who's been a mechanic since he was 6, can afford college and can keep up with the course work. Wow. That's some magic

good point. i'd like to see them get by the easy, required courses having never been introduced to proper grammar or basic trig, etc.