doniawon
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good post.lol Urban Gardner had an artical saying B1 is useless.. technaflora, advanced, superthrive.. there are alot of B1 products out there.
Myths That's All They Are
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bamfrivet
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If I get some more myths then I can revise the list and post the updated 2.0v
bamfrivet
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I personally have no experience with cloning, let a lone clones of clones of clones, ect. If you have any proof that it doesn't decrease the quality, or that you don't risk higher rates of mutation I'll add it to the list.
djruiner
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cant really call that a myth...there is no standardized testing as it comes to clones and potency loss over time. the question is who and how would they test it...i would imagine it would take decades to come to a conclusion on that. then who would be doing the testing? breeders? we all know they feed us bullshit to buy their gear. so it would have to be done on a private level...and i dont see anyone taking the time...and money...to really properly test the theory...not to mention the number of strains this would have to be tested on. and i wont even get into how they test THC levels and other cannabinoids and how the testing for those has changed over the years...to be honest i think thc%'s are made up inflated numbers put out just to market seeds and strains.
but my opinion on the matter is i dont see it losing potency...each clone is a carbon copy of the original...so potency loss or gain would really depend on the strain and how it evolves over time...and of course there is nothing set in stone as it comes to that since a lot of strains are entirely different. best way to test i would think would be to clone and test from landrace strains that have been around and growing naturally for hundreds of years. those that have not had much human intervention.
Dankster4Life
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Wow!
I never realized that growing a weed was so difficult.
So many make this so much harder on themselves.
P.S.Flushing is for those that don't feed correctly.
I never realized that growing a weed was so difficult.
So many make this so much harder on themselves.
P.S.Flushing is for those that don't feed correctly.
colonuggs
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I have proff....heres my clone of a clone of a clone... 114 times over a 19 yr period... pull starts 6 times a year...never kept a mom
Same growth... same potency...same plant
easyrider23
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Great post. I really enjoyed it. I'm using Miracle Grow soil and I was getting worried that I had made a mistake. I'm just a newbie doing a basic grow so I'm just going to use water and nothing else. Thanks.
CanadianDank
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Agreed. Exact same experience.
Dankster4Life
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Back off on the feedings.....and you will see no difference.
steven7685
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in no way have you provided PROOF that the clone from a clone from a clone you have or any other person has retains a consistent quality, potency or appeal.I have proff....heres my clone of a clone of a clone... 114 times over a 19 yr period... pull starts 6 times a year...never kept a mom
Same growth... same potency...same plant
after you take several proven scientific tests, then please come back with the results. but someone showing a picture and stating that its the same without any said evidence is arrogant.
imho, cloning is like removing your arm and letting it grow. its just not ever going to be your "body", then take a finger from that arm, and so on....
i really think you lose something, and its the reason people pride themselves on having f1 clones (or first gen).
clones are great and fast, but i have witnessed the same strains growing side by side, where the plants from seed out performed even several f1 clones, time and time again.
yields were larger, aromas were more pungent, colors were more prominent, and the smoke was close in comparison, point being we dont have the equipment to test thc or cbd levels in the experiment, but our eyes alone showed us, vigor, girth, and roughly 40% more yield! that has got to mean some kind of degeneration due to cloning.
just my .02 through testing
bamfrivet
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just make sure you don't over water, as the nutes are water soluble. don't flush your plant or you'll over feed them. make sure your soil is dry before you water again to prevent to much nute release.
bamfrivet
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that's because you didn't dry and cure properly. or you let the idea that flushing them makes them taste better get in your head. flushing doesn't and can't take anything out of the buds. learn how plants grow and function before you try and make wild accusations like not feeding your plant helps it grow better and stronger.....
bamfrivet
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calling someone ignorant because they posted a picture of a clone that they have been clone out for 19 years, then turning around and not providing any more evidence than he did that cloning does degrade seems kinda ironic to me. you offer no more evidence than he does, except he posted a picture along with his story.
if either of you or anyone else can show studies on any plant, let a lone marijuana that shows that cloning from clones over and over again does or doesn't reduce yield, potency or quality then we can actually consider it a myth.
colonuggs
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Until Science catches up with us I guess we will never know....I dont know any scientists that will clone a mj plant for 20 yrs and then test it...not yet anyway
I can just tell you from my personal experiences and the people who have smoked and vaped this plant over the years what we think...I know it grows the same way everytime (6 oz yeilds) bud structure is always the same .... the high is the same to my senses and all my friends
during a 20 yr period... you would think if there was a degordation to this plant it would show itself in either the growth pattern or the potency
I have been cloning my ECSD, Chem4, 98Bubba, for 6 yrs now......everything I grow is cloned...dont want to loose a top strain.
I have a few friends who have grown bonzi marijuana plants they keep moms alive for 10-15 yrs....they pull starts off the plant once a month
Seeds dont give you the same product twice.....if you dont clone you loose that individual plants heritage of the mom and dad.
Seeds to me are christmas presents... every seed is different and you dont know what your getting until its opened up,dried & tried
All the people I deal with order seeds... pop all of them... clone all them....find the best 1 out of the bunch and keep that 1 going in clone form...
why keep paying 100s of $$ for seeds to the same strain of weed ??? you can buy a few packs find the best one and keep it going
Harrekin
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Comparing it to human anatomy is stupid and is an apples and oranges situation.
Every single cell in a clone has the exact same (full) DNA as the parent plant, it is literally the same plant as its mother.
There is no such thing as an F1 clone aswell btw, lol, you can have a clone of an F1 plant, but the clone is exactly the same as its parent. F1 is the first batch of seeds in breeding from a new cross and is the most unstable point in your new strain.
You have alot of shit mixed up and you should really go clarify your "facts" before making assumptions from half read forum bullshit.
Now...to the people who think organic and chemical ferts provide the plants with different chemicals..lol, and to the people who think flushing (in soil at least) is necessary, lol to you too!
Chemical ferts are just available to the plant straight away instead of having to be broken down like organics, they still provide the same chemicals once they're broken down.
Flushing is a poor/misunderstood attempt to start fermentation before the plant dies. The idea with fermentation is that you put the root zone in water for several days before harvest, as it begins fermentation from a lack of O2, starches & complex carbs are broken down in anaerobic respiration and as such the "cure" starts before the plant is even chopped. Its got nothing to do with chemicals in the buds.
Popping, bad tasting weed is from bad drying/curing; as the chlorophyll, starches and other carbs are not broken down, its not from the nutrients. Anyone who thinks a plant stores raw minerals in the bud needs to quit growing for a while and read
bamfrivet
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I am fine with studies showing that taking clones from clones and so on from tomato plants decreases the tomato's size, over production, flavor, color, nutritional value. Show me proof off a lemon tree, blue berry's, grapes, acorn tree's anything. At least then you can say in the plant kingdom cloning from clones and so on doesn't reduce anything, however in marijuana it might differ slightly, at least then you will have some scientific proof of your claims.
sonar
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20 years, man, that's a long time to keep a plant going. It's amazing to think that in that time nothing ever happened and you lost the plant.Until Science catches up with us I guess we will never know....I dont know any scientists that will clone a mj plant for 20 yrs and then test it...not yet anyway
I can just tell you from my personal experiences and the people who have smoked and vaped this plant over the years what we think...I know it grows the same way everytime (6 oz yeilds) bud structure is always the same .... the high is the same to my senses and all my friends
during a 20 yr period... you would think if there was a degordation to this plant it would show itself in either the growth pattern or the potency
I have been cloning my ECSD, Chem4, 98Bubba, for 6 yrs now......everything I grow is cloned...dont want to loose a top strain.
I have a few friends who have grown bonzi marijuana plants they keep moms alive for 10-15 yrs....they pull starts off the plant once a month
Seeds dont give you the same product twice.....if you dont clone you loose that individual plants heritage of the mom and dad.
Seeds to me are christmas presents... every seed is different and you dont know what your getting until its opened up,dried & tried
All the people I deal with order seeds... pop all of them... clone all them....find the best 1 out of the bunch and keep that 1 going in clone form...
why keep paying 100s of $$ for seeds to the same strain of weed ??? you can buy a few packs find the best one and keep it going
Any particular reason you chose this plant to keep going for so long? Any interesting back story?
Izoc666
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hey bamfrivet, the OP is very good information for everyone...I agreed with what you said about facts, Im with ya 100 percent all the way !! I know you will be always preaching to everyone once they make a new threads , same question everyday, "should I flush ? or Flush or not ? should be stop water for one week before harvest" etc etc...if i see the new thread, i will tell em to look at your OP up ! good job, sir and +rep
happy growing and peace
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happy growing and peace
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