email468
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you got it Ernie - i meant no offense.I would appreciate it if everyone would leave my name out of their posts.
What's your theory of life, the Universe and everything...
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smokinjs
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Titania
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I would appreciate it if everyone would leave my name out of their posts.
They're always lurking in the background, lol.
email468
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thanks! i like you tooyou got the fatty part right. but i dont want you to shut up. i like you
rev3la7ion
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My whole rant about religion is focused mainly around Christianity since it is the biggest religion but isn't limited to it. It isn't focused around the fact that they believe in God because I honestly don't care about that. It's based upon the acceptance of outrageous claims based on faith alone and without reason... The propagation of ignorance through faith and not reason. That's my biggest issue with religion because so much is taken on faith and basic reasoning is set aside. If we continue for this any longer we're essentially going to create a generation of illogical fuck-tards who take most things on faith alone. Could you imagine what our world would be like when people stop to reason? The sudden halt of information? The acceptance of outrageous claims because no one would dare question the claims of others. Free will would be controlled by the few.
But this is just a very simplistic explanation of what I think would happen. I have other reasons but it'd take me a while to type them all out.
But this is just a very simplistic explanation of what I think would happen. I have other reasons but it'd take me a while to type them all out.
email468
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Simplistic explanations are usually the best
I agree with your sentiment. I am not out to force anyone to believe or disbelieve anything in particular. However when making public policy and legislation, proof or at least very strong evidence should take precedence over boatloads of belief.
LION~of~ZION
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Energy
We are all composed of like energy
The universe is Pure Energy
Certain types of human fear being the nemisis of this Energy.
Fear saves lives & Fear destroys lives...which type of fear do we embrace? is the question we might ask ourselves
We're all connected and this frightens some
Its too personal
We might embrace & celebrate our similarities rather then wasting time - energy on constantly attempting to prove our differences.
lifes far too short on this planet
we may consider making the best of it while we're here.
We are all composed of like energy
The universe is Pure Energy
Certain types of human fear being the nemisis of this Energy.
Fear saves lives & Fear destroys lives...which type of fear do we embrace? is the question we might ask ourselves
We're all connected and this frightens some
Its too personal
We might embrace & celebrate our similarities rather then wasting time - energy on constantly attempting to prove our differences.
lifes far too short on this planet
we may consider making the best of it while we're here.
email468
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I hope it is OK if I stick to theory for now.
Might as well start with the Big Bang. Heres a tidbit Fred Hoyle, an English astronomer, coined the phrase the Big Bang as an insult to the theory. He thought it was so much hooey. He felt this way about evolution as well. But he did contribute to stellar evolution theory so he had some good qualities.
I find the Big Bang confusing, counter-intuitive and damned impossible to understand. Frankly, most cosmology is beyond my monkey-brain to truly comprehend but sometimes trying to explain things to others, we gain better insight for ourselves. So feel free to fact-check or counter - Im no authority and could easily be misunderstanding or misinterpreting. I find the Big Bang so difficult to understand and therefore explain, it is easier to convey what the Big Bang is not.
The Big Bang is not an explosion. It isnt even just the popular single point in space. It is better to try to think of it as space happening at once regardless of the shape or whether finite or infinite.
The Big Bang is also not about defining what is outside the so-called boundaries or horizon of the universe. And does not endeavor to explain how the Big Bang happened. The Big Bang theory attempts to explain what happened in our universe as close to the event as possible but not beyond it.
The science behind Big Bang theory is rooted in the ever-popular General Theory of Relativity. Before evidence was observed to support it, one of the predictions made by the theory was that matter was, on average, evenly scattered throughout the universe. Thats not to say there arent patterns but overall if you were able to squint your eyes at the universe matter would be seen as relatively evenly distributed. This is known as the Cosmological Principal. The cool thing is, once we were able to record and study what is known as cosmic background radiation (CBR), we found that matter is indeed, on average, evenly distributed! Which means we now have some observational verification of the theories prediction. Damn! I love science. If we would have found some patterns or other kind of message, we would have found evidence of a higher intelligence and dare I say, creator. But instead we found evidence that the Big Bang theory is accurate. Obviously there is a significant bulk of evidence for Big Bang theory that was just an example of how theories work and how we gain confidence in a theory or discard it. Could we discover something regarding dark energy tomorrow that would cause us to throw out Big Bang theory? Yep. But the more observed evidence we gather that was predicted by Big Bang theory the less likely well be throwing it out. But Im getting ahead of myself.
Lets take a step back and discuss the importance of the discovery and research on CBR or the cosmic background radiation. Im assuming everyone understands that the light we see from distant stars may have been traveling for many years. I think the nearest star (besides our wonderful Sun) is about 4 light years away (or so). Which means the light leaving the star today will take 4 years to reach us. The further we are able to peer into space, the further back in time we can see. Most visible stars are around 10 to 100 light years away. A naked-eye galaxy, the Andromeda is over 4 million light years away. Hubble, scientists say, can see galaxies that are only a few billion years after Big Bang.
What about this cosmic background radiation? Well, it is supposedly only a few hundred thousand years after Big Bang. Imagine that! We can actually detect the universe as it was before planets, stars or even galaxies!
Next up more about the importance of researching the CBR.
STOP I have to stop here and say thinking about this is great fun while stoned but writing it down is very difficult. If you are enjoying this and would like me to continue, Im going to need some encouragement. Let me know you dig it (or not) otherwise Ill give my fingers a break.
Might as well start with the Big Bang. Heres a tidbit Fred Hoyle, an English astronomer, coined the phrase the Big Bang as an insult to the theory. He thought it was so much hooey. He felt this way about evolution as well. But he did contribute to stellar evolution theory so he had some good qualities.
I find the Big Bang confusing, counter-intuitive and damned impossible to understand. Frankly, most cosmology is beyond my monkey-brain to truly comprehend but sometimes trying to explain things to others, we gain better insight for ourselves. So feel free to fact-check or counter - Im no authority and could easily be misunderstanding or misinterpreting. I find the Big Bang so difficult to understand and therefore explain, it is easier to convey what the Big Bang is not.
The Big Bang is not an explosion. It isnt even just the popular single point in space. It is better to try to think of it as space happening at once regardless of the shape or whether finite or infinite.
The Big Bang is also not about defining what is outside the so-called boundaries or horizon of the universe. And does not endeavor to explain how the Big Bang happened. The Big Bang theory attempts to explain what happened in our universe as close to the event as possible but not beyond it.
The science behind Big Bang theory is rooted in the ever-popular General Theory of Relativity. Before evidence was observed to support it, one of the predictions made by the theory was that matter was, on average, evenly scattered throughout the universe. Thats not to say there arent patterns but overall if you were able to squint your eyes at the universe matter would be seen as relatively evenly distributed. This is known as the Cosmological Principal. The cool thing is, once we were able to record and study what is known as cosmic background radiation (CBR), we found that matter is indeed, on average, evenly distributed! Which means we now have some observational verification of the theories prediction. Damn! I love science. If we would have found some patterns or other kind of message, we would have found evidence of a higher intelligence and dare I say, creator. But instead we found evidence that the Big Bang theory is accurate. Obviously there is a significant bulk of evidence for Big Bang theory that was just an example of how theories work and how we gain confidence in a theory or discard it. Could we discover something regarding dark energy tomorrow that would cause us to throw out Big Bang theory? Yep. But the more observed evidence we gather that was predicted by Big Bang theory the less likely well be throwing it out. But Im getting ahead of myself.
Lets take a step back and discuss the importance of the discovery and research on CBR or the cosmic background radiation. Im assuming everyone understands that the light we see from distant stars may have been traveling for many years. I think the nearest star (besides our wonderful Sun) is about 4 light years away (or so). Which means the light leaving the star today will take 4 years to reach us. The further we are able to peer into space, the further back in time we can see. Most visible stars are around 10 to 100 light years away. A naked-eye galaxy, the Andromeda is over 4 million light years away. Hubble, scientists say, can see galaxies that are only a few billion years after Big Bang.
What about this cosmic background radiation? Well, it is supposedly only a few hundred thousand years after Big Bang. Imagine that! We can actually detect the universe as it was before planets, stars or even galaxies!
Next up more about the importance of researching the CBR.
STOP I have to stop here and say thinking about this is great fun while stoned but writing it down is very difficult. If you are enjoying this and would like me to continue, Im going to need some encouragement. Let me know you dig it (or not) otherwise Ill give my fingers a break.
LION~of~ZION
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Titania
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I've just woken up, and I've got the flu, but reading that was not just stimulating, but great fun! Although I'm familiar with the process (The Big Bang), You taught me some things i didn't know and reminded me of others, which, I will now cherish.
You gave a really clear, and accurate description of the Big Bang, which is not easy to do. Continuing on this theme, do you believe that the Universe is 'fine-tuned' for life, or that it is a random outcome from the chaos. Furthermore, what do you think about multiple Universes? I've heard one theory that postulates that the entire Universe, is itself the smallest sub atomic particle in a much larger Universe, WOW.Great post, keep em coming.
email468
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I hope you feel better soon. I still have to cover shape and size, inflation, expansion forever vs. "the big crunch", we'll then start hitting on the multi-verses, string theory and touch on Calabi-Yau manifolds.I've just woken up, and I've got the flu, but reading that was not just stimulating, but great fun! Although I'm familiar with the process (The Big Bang), You taught me some things i didn't know and reminded me of others, which, I will now cherish.
Great post, keep em coming.
But I'll briefly discuss my thinking on fine-tuning (though I'll be looking more into it) but last I investigated 99.99999999% of space is completely and utterly hostile to life. I don't see where fine-tuning for life argument has a leg to stand on. A universe fine-tuned to create black-holes on the other hand....
Titania
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calabi-Yau manifolds? I'm intrigued, never heard of that.I hope you feel better soon. I still have to cover shape and size, inflation, expansion forever vs. "the big crunch", we'll then start hitting on the multi-verses, string theory and touch on Calabi-Yau manifolds.
But I'll briefly discuss my thinking on fine-tuning (though I'll be looking more into it) but last I investigated 99.99999999% of space is completely and utterly hostile to life. I don't see where fine-tuning for life argument has a leg to stand on. A universe fine-tuned to create black-holes on the other hand....
It is true that so much of space seems devoid of life, but, the Universe is a very large place, and we have yet to explore our own solar system for life (although I think the chances are small, perhaps under the ice crust of Enceladus.) my argument for the anthropic principle is that the elements that are crucial to life are wide spread, and that habitable zones exist on every star. Take for example H2O; the most abundant element in the Universe is Hydrogen, the third is Oxygen, as Helium does not form any compounds the most common molecule is H2. The second most common molecule is... you guessed it, H2O. As all life depends, and is made almost entirely of this molecule, it is easy to see how the Universe is fine-tuned to create it for the purposes of life.
LION~of~ZION
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Exactly! and this why it seems completely rational that life would exist in utter abundance throughout the entire universe...'abundantly' according to our standards and the definition of the word as human beings of course
As far as the universe is concerned with its relative size taken into account, sparse at best... yet life just the same
I'm willing to bet these cohesive conditions or the catalyst for creating life exists in far more areas then we could ever possibly begin to imagine.
However our pedisiposition to arrogance and egotism often prevents us from opening our minds further on the subject. All in the name of religious dogma and covert fear interspersing itself within our subconcious regardless of whether we are practicing some form of religion or not.
Too many years of brainwashing seeping into the fabric of our beings, cultural and scientific sabotage at its finest.
on a lighter note... its time to suck down some double stuffed oreos and a cold glass of milk....
email468
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I agree that the stuff of life appears to be everywhere in the universe in substantial quantities. Big clouds of organic material just floating around everywhere in fact. So it seems likely, to me at least, that life is also relatively abundant. It does appear our solar system is lifeless but there is still hope for several moons and life could even be discovered in an unlikely place like Jupiter.
But talking about fine-tuning seems tricky since we have no way of knowing if our models of altering the different variables are accurate and can not easily be verified. In addition, my argument still stands that the universe is perfectly fine-tuned to create black holes. So the question remains - is the universe fine-tuned for life, black holes, neither, both, something else entirely or it is the way it is and not fine-tuned for anything other than what chance provided - or something completely out of the realm or our current understanding?
in case you're wondering - that was a rhetorical question - i have no idea what the answer might be.
But talking about fine-tuning seems tricky since we have no way of knowing if our models of altering the different variables are accurate and can not easily be verified. In addition, my argument still stands that the universe is perfectly fine-tuned to create black holes. So the question remains - is the universe fine-tuned for life, black holes, neither, both, something else entirely or it is the way it is and not fine-tuned for anything other than what chance provided - or something completely out of the realm or our current understanding?
in case you're wondering - that was a rhetorical question - i have no idea what the answer might be.
hom36rown
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i didnt read every page, but did anyone touch on m theory...i'm no physicist or anything, but I think is explains the big bang as two alternate universes colliding. I saw something about it on the history channel....need to take more physics cause I dont understand that shit at all....something about 11 spacetime dimensions....anyone who can elaborate on this?
hmh2810
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Q:Why are we here,?
A
O PLAY THE GAME OF LIFE
Q: do you believe in the anthropic principle?
A: IT MAKES SENSE
Q: what is the meaning of life?
A: TO LIVE
Q: What is consciousness?
A:WHAT OUR BRAIN MAKES US TO BELIEVE
Q: is the Universe infinite?
AI BELIVE SO BUT HOW WILL WE EVER KNOW
Q:does it have a cycle?
A:NO
Q: Or maybe you believe in a religion which answers everything for you, if so which one and why?
A: NO RELIGON JUST ONE GOD.
A
O PLAY THE GAME OF LIFEQ: do you believe in the anthropic principle?
A: IT MAKES SENSE
Q: what is the meaning of life?
A: TO LIVE
Q: What is consciousness?
A:WHAT OUR BRAIN MAKES US TO BELIEVE
Q: is the Universe infinite?
AI BELIVE SO BUT HOW WILL WE EVER KNOW
Q:does it have a cycle?
A:NO
Q: Or maybe you believe in a religion which answers everything for you, if so which one and why?
A: NO RELIGON JUST ONE GOD.
rev3la7ion
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M theory was the early version of string theory if I'm remembering correctly. Then M theory had a little fine tuning done to it and became string theory. String theory is the one that incorporates 11 dimensions. Although I don't know what the 11th one is I can imagine all the other ones. Yay video explanations: YouTube - Imagining the Tenth Dimension
