What's Will All The Religion Hatred?

[Heisenberg]

true, but certain places that are mentioned in the bible (as well as the indian texts bhagasomething lol)

have been reported to be found.

making at least some things in the bible, true.

as it is really a collection of myths. (many of which were stolen from older stories and the names changed, similar to what people claim the catholic church did, so did the hebrews)

it does not necesarily infer that all the miracles and whatnot are true.

after all, fakirs of india fly with the help of special seats, but still many people have stories of them actually flying..

but, it does infer that there is some truth in the bible.

and not on par with harry potter

but sorry gents, im invited to dinner i´ll see you guy´s later

have a good one and dont take this too seriously.

serious people dont live as long and if they do, they are nowhere near as happy :laugh: (oh ive seen and been both sides)

The bible is not completely false, just as H potter is not completely false, this does nothing to prove either isn't fiction. That would be the heart of what Pad was trying to say.

 

[olylifter420]

what I said seemed to apply

so you are now some leading authority in the field?

If something in Harry Potter is true too, does that make the story true?

dude, this is truly an example of the hurt card. How can you say that? Then since planet of the apes took place in san Francisco, then all of ceaser's friends should be in the forest just outside of SF right?

To me, that just means the people who wrote the Bible knew of these cities.

again, i forgot you were a leading authority

 

[olylifter420]

How so?

i dont need to show you something you already know

This was advice. I did not expect you to address it.

advice? really?

After months of reading about these things and why they are invalid in a debate, you still practice them.

why is that you cannot see what i am trying to show you all?

 

[Heisenberg]

so you are now some leading authority in the field?



dude, this is truly an example of the hurt card. How can you say that? Then since planet of the apes took place in san Francisco, then all of ceaser's friends should be in the forest just outside of SF right?



again, i forgot you were a leading authority

How is it possible for you to so completely miss the points of these posts? Why don't you try to read these comments in a careful manner than acknowledges the context. Where did anyone say they were an authority, and how does pointing out cities in the bible even suggest authority? In fact, Pad simply asked the question of how cities in the bible indicates merit. Where did Pad indicate that he has been hurt? You seem to just be regurgitating words devoid of concept. It's almost as if you have flash cards with goto defenses written on them, and you pick one at random when you need a retort. It's rather disconnected and essentially meaningless.

 

[olylifter420]

in your eyes i will always be wrong bro, no matter what. You hold things against me and you find me to be incompetent as you say, which i do not mind and im glad you see me that way. In your eyes, you will always be right and those who disagree with you will always be wrong.

You all have not learned and you all have been on here longer then i have, there will never be an agreement or an even ground where you all can "explore" the uncertain things. i already know that and just trying to help you all come back to reality.

How is it possible for you to so completely miss the points of these posts? Why don't you try to read these comments in a careful manner than acknowledges the context. Where did anyone say they were an authority, and how does pointing out cities in the bible even suggest authority? In fact, Pad simply asked the question of how cities in the bible indicates merit. Where did Pad indicate that he has been hurt? You seem to just be regurgitating words devoid of concept.

 

[Heisenberg]

in your eyes i will always be wrong bro, no matter what. You hold things against me and you find me to be incompetent as you say, which i do not mind and im glad you see me that way. In your eyes, you will always be right and those who disagree with you will always be wrong.

As I pointed out just a few posts ago, I have been shown to be wrong on subjects, and I change my stance accordingly. This is something that is demanded by skepticism. Evidence must be followed wherever it leads, even if it is in a direction that conflicts with solidified ideas. This is simply another ad hominem attack. My personal attitude has nothing to do with the reasoning I have laid out quite clearly and painstakingly in this thread and others. In addition, although I may point out faults I see in your conduct, I do not need to depend on those faults for dogmatic religion to be invalid. These are simply attempts to get you to adhere to certain standards of civilized debate, in which tricks and cheap tactics do not cut it, nor does sloppy reading or failure to consider the concepts of others posts. I am not trying to change you, but to explain to you that if you do not want to live up to these standards then you have no place in debating these subjects. If you do not wish to have your beliefs and the paths that lead you to them examined, then don't bring them to the table.

 

[Padawanbater2]

I find it interesting it's always the believer who says there will never be a compromise...

 

[stumps]

I mean if you don't believe in a religion fine, just leave that persons religion alone. What's the point of being a douche and shooting down there belief? What do you have to gain? All your doing is causing negativity in the forums so don't go posting bad things in other threads that have to do with something that has nothing to do with you. I'm a Christian and I don't go around saying your wrong for not believing in what I believe in so why tell me I'm wrong? If your so sure your right about what you believe if you believe in buddha, Jesus, muhammed, the sphaghetti monster it doesn't matter don't tell other people there wrong when nobody knows what happens after death or if life completely ends when you die. So I'm not sure if all you guys are gonna agree with me but I'm calling a truce between all religions and asking for peace and no more negative posts. So shall we commence peace?

Not a chance if people want to spew that crap . They can hear me spew back how stupid they are.

 

[stumps]

The bible was put together by Rome. To control the masses.

 

[olylifter420]

These are simply attempts to get you to adhere to certain standards of civilized debate,

now who is the one forcing stuff on people?

 

[olylifter420]

i do to. I find easy to see that the non believers love to bash on believers beliefs even though the non believers say they will not. just shows the hypocrisy.

I find it interesting it's always the believer who says there will never be a compromise...

 

[olylifter420]

It's almost as if you have flash cards with goto defenses written on them, and you pick one at random when you need a retort. It's rather disconnected and essentially meaningless.

yes, im sorry for not being perfect as you are sir. shame on me, or is that the hurt card as well? Funny how you always love to assume things about people you have no clued about. i mean if those are your tactics, then use them. i will stick to being me.

 

[Luger187]

now who is the one forcing stuff on people?

so civilized debate is out of the question?

i do to. I find easy to see that the non believers love to bash on believers beliefs even though the non believers say they will not. just shows the hypocrisy.

how is exposing the beliefs for what they are bashing them?

 

[robert 14617]

yes, im sorry for not being perfect as you are sir. shame on me, or is that the hurt card as well? Funny how you always love to assume things about people you have no clued about. i mean if those are your tactics, then use them. i will stick to being me.

no tactics on this end the only diff is only the believers care about pushing beliefs on others (salvation )

 

[Heisenberg]

now who is the one forcing stuff on people?

I am not forcing rules, I am demanding quality. Do you really not see this, or are you just cherry picking phrases which you perceive will give you the appearance of merit?

yes, im sorry for not being perfect as you are sir. shame on me, or is that the hurt card as well? Funny how you always love to assume things about people you have no clued about. i mean if those are your tactics, then use them. i will stick to being me.

This is not a hurt card, this is sarcasm, which is equally poor at conveying a point. I did not mean that you literally have flash cards, of course, but your resulting posts are indistinguishable from someone who would use random cards with random ill-considered talking points. Your points are inconsistent, disconnected, and poorly thought out all while you engage in invalid debate tactics in an attempt to discredit opposition. If you feel you are not getting your message across, try being more comprehensible. If you don't want your words to appear schizophrenic, do a better job at choosing them. You continuously misconstrue others posts and consistently confuse others with your posts; this suggests a theme on your part and has nothing to do with me being an asshole.

The topic of this thread indicates inquiry about the dissension between religion and non-believers. My actions have only been to examine that topic, and to point out unacceptable tricks of debate. You are the one that has lead the conversation down a path which demonstrates our conflicts, but does nothing to illuminate the reasons behind them.

 

[olylifter420]

i understand that, but when people want to accuse you of doing the same thing while you have never really cared about doing such a thing makes the accuser look like a douche and a bigot, but they fail to see it because in their mind my beliefs are stupid and theirs are based on science, so they have a right to bash my beliefs just cause they want to feel good about themselves, like they did something good today..

no tactics on this end the only diff is only the believers care about pushing beliefs on others (salvation )

 

[Padawanbater2]

i understand that, but when people want to accuse you of doing the same thing while you have never really cared about doing such a thing makes the accuser look like a douche and a bigot, but they fail to see it because in their mind my beliefs are stupid and theirs are based on science, so they have a right to bash my beliefs just cause they want to feel good about themselves, like they did something good today..

It seems like you just refuse to accept what we're saying to you, and instead hear what you want.

-you don't understand that having the beliefs you have, even while you may not adhere directly to a church, ARE DANGEROUS

-you don't understand what 'bigot' means

-your beliefs are inconsistent with reality and contribute nothing to society we couldn't already attain by other, more reasonable means

-I think you were conditioned to believe these things are true and simply can't fathom a world where they're not

-we've pointed out to you in more than three different threads I can think of off the top of my head the errors we're susceptible to as human beings, and you STILL fail to acknowledge you're falling for ALL OF THEM

-you are so connected with defending your dogma you refuse to accept the contradictions you're faced with when objectively observing reality

-you can't enter the debate without stooping to a child's level of intellect, calling people names and arguing points they didn't make

-you fail to see how acknowledging these problems would actually earn you some respect and make you a better person

-you fail to see that we are only trying to help you understand that going through life with a skeptical mindset will benefit you, whether you're religious or not

-you refuse to accept a compromise because you can't accept the possibility you could be wrong


Until you start acting your age, you're right up there alongside beardo. People with this attitude towards learning and trying to educate themselves don't deserve my help.

 

[Heisenberg]

I feel I have stated my opinions and backed them up. Nothing new is being added to the topic, so in my mind, thread closed.

 

[sso]

The bible is not completely false, just as H potter is not completely false, this does nothing to prove either isn't fiction. That would be the heart of what Pad was trying to say.

the difference being,

harry potter is just a story that uses england of today as a baseline.

while cities being found that were in the bible, suggests that the actual stories in the bible, to some extent, are true.

which is supported by the fact, that many of these stories are found around the world (such as the great flood f.e)

but was noah really an immortal, like in the older stories,or was he just a normal dude (well, he lived what, 600 years, in the bible? (and if he was immortal, he´d be around today, and who knows )

?

lol.

i wouldnt be so quick to dismiss the incredible tales, ive seen some shit.

but i also wouldnt be that quick to take primitive´s man´s descriptions of something beyond his understanding as fact either..

nor would i even be so bold as to suggest i have matured beyond that primitivity..

i simply can not be certain.

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

Somebody attack me god damn it! I go into Religion/Politics section knowing full well I'll be attacked! But god damn it, I get attacked heavy for like two posts, then the breaks are pushed on hard and it goes into a respectable debate for a few posts, and it ends with a plus rep! WTF is the shit?!?!