what is it that convinces you ?

[Hepheastus420]

this is what you're not gettin. honestly i could give a shit what your answer is it was asked to make you think about all the retarded shit that you believe.

You don't think we got your satire? Wow. I told you to go to the other threads so you can let the other atheists who actually have a real debate talk. You do realize we don't take you seriously, right? I mean you come here with no knowledge and try shooting us down, that's hilarious. How about you go run along and find out how the universe was created then come back and tell me so I can reconsider my beliefs.

 

[Hepheastus420]

why would i know what created the universe? i dont assume things just because i dont understand the concept. now your turn. please explain how the universe was created

sorry idk what question you are referring to

edit: oops i did answer the questions already haha

Check this out dude, all this started when I asked Christians some questions on RIU then a bunch of atheists came in and slaughtered my tribe (ha, tribe). From then on I have been DEFENDING religion, I'm not tryingto convert anyone. Atheists on the other hand just won't leave us alone (which I have asked several times). They make threads making fun of religious people make jokes about them and then ask for proof like a thousand times a day (exaggeration of course). Then we say we rely on FAITH then they typically call us crazy and start the cycle of jokes, ridicule, and the asking of proof all over again. Then when we stick up for ourselves and ask you to prove your BELiEF of how the world was created and you guys always say IDK. Do you not see how unfair this is?

 

[Luger187]

No I don't understand how you say we are wrong on how the universe was created when you don't know how the universe was created.

AGAIN, we say you are wrong because you claim god exists but have no evidence for it. we do not claim to know what happened before the universe was created. the only people that do that are religious people. we are saying its not okay to make up a god that created the universe just because we dont understand it. you have no reason to believe it, and i believe your religion as a whole harms society. it makes people ignorant while thinking they KNOW god created everything. and they make excuses for everything saying its in gods plan, or we should pray to make it better.

It's like you ask me how something is done. I tell you it's this way, then you say no it's not. Then I ask how is it done then? And you say IDK I think it's this way.

thats confusing. bottom line is nobody here claims to know what happened before the big bang besides you. and the only reason you believe that is faith.

Well guess what I'm still gonna stick with my way until you prove to me your way is right.

nobody can ever prove god wrong. we can search every speck of the universe and you would still claim he exists outside the universe. or we can search forever and you can say he transcends time. its nothing but excuses to hide the fact your god is in your head. i know this because you cant prove hes not

And the way I prove my way is right is waiting until death when we leave this world.

yeah but the problem with that is you never find out. you just die and you would never know if you were wrong. the only thing that you can experience after death is heaven(if its real). if heaven isnt real, then you experience nothing. so you cannot experience being wrong after death.

However if you show me undeniable proof that you know how the world was created then I must reconsider my beliefs. Until then let's smoke some bowls.

where did you go to school man? i hope your over 30 because you should know this stuff.

heres something real quick from google. too lazy to type it out haha

http://www.wisegeek.com/how-was-the-earth-created.htm

The Earth was created 4.54 billion years ago when part of the Sun's accretion disc agglomerated into a spherical body. At that time, shortly after the birth of the Sun itself, the solar system's matter was much more scattered around, in the form of asteroids and dust rather than planets. This "matter cloud" has been called a Bok globule, and these globules have been observed in other parts of the Galaxy. Scientists have determined the age of the Earth relatively precisely using isotope dating of the world's oldest rocks.

It is not known precisely what mechanism caused the precursor of the solar system, a gaseous nebulae, to form into the Sun and its attendant accretion disc. It may have been shockwaves from a nearby supernova, or simple gravitational collapse due to a threshold density. Whatever the cause, when enough density gathered in the center of the gas cloud, it ignited to become the Sun. The resulting heat banished volatiles (materials with low melting points) to the outer solar system, while leaving rocky bodies, like the Earth, Mercury, Venus, and Mars, in the inner solar system, where they could grow.

The early creation of the Earth was not so smooth, a series of events characterized by massive impacts. Due to energy leftover from the gravitational collapse that formed the Earth, the surface would have initially been a magma ocean until it slowly cooled down. Shortly after the formation of the Earth, the planet was impacted by a Mars-sized body called Theia which formed in a Lagrange point (point of gravitational equilibrium) in the Earth's orbit but not at the exact same place. Over a period of time, orbital oscillations caused Theia to impact the Earth, ejecting many gigatons of material which agglomerated to form the Moon.

After the formation of the Moon, which also had a magma ocean for millions of years, both the Earth and the Moon were heavily bombarded by asteroids and comets in a series of events known as the Late Heavy Bombardment. This extensive bombardment helped deliver volatiles, like water, to the Earth's surface, and played a role in the creation of the oceans. Most of the craters on the Moon today were formed during this heavy bombardment.

Check this out dude, all this started when I asked Christians some questions on RIU then a bunch of atheists came in and slaughtered my tribe (ha, tribe). From then on I have been DEFENDING religion, I'm not tryingto convert anyone. Atheists on the other hand just won't leave us alone (which I have asked several times). They make threads making fun of religious people make jokes about them and then ask for proof like a thousand times a day (exaggeration of course).

we ask because you believe god is real and jesus was him, etc. when we ask how you know, you say you just believe it and have faith. wtf kind of excuse is that?

Then we say we rely on FAITH then they typically call us crazy and start the cycle of jokes, ridicule, and the asking of proof all over again.

because we think it is crazy to believe and defend something as much as you do all based on faith. no rational person would believe in it

Then when we stick up for ourselves and ask you to prove your BELiEF of how the world was created and you guys always say IDK. Do you not see how unfair this is?

we know how the earth was created. i put the quote up in this post.
once again, the difference is YOU ARE CLAIMING SOMETHING. you believe that god exists and always refuse to give anything substantial to back it up because you dont have any. why believe in it so much if you know its bullshit?!

 

[olylifter420]

AGAIN, we say you are wrong because you claim god exists but have no evidence for it.

Argument from ignorance (appeal to ignorance, argumentum ad ignorantiam): assuming that a claim is true (or false) because it has not been proven false (true) or cannot be proven false (true).

and the only reason you believe that is faith.

straw man

because we think it is crazy to believe and defend something as much as you do all based on faith. no rational person would believe in it

argumentum verbosium

 

[blazinkill504]

You don't think we got your satire? Wow. I told you to go to the other threads so you can let the other atheists who actually have a real debate talk. You do realize we don't take you seriously, right? I mean you come here with no knowledge and try shooting us down, that's hilarious. How about you go run along and find out how the universe was created then come back and tell me so I can reconsider my beliefs.

no knowledge? more than likely i know way more than you about this shit considerin ive been religious and now i am not. so when you take the time to go on the other side of the fence and educate yourself dont come at me talkin bout you arent listenin to me cause i have no knowledge HAHA you're not listenin cause you're high up your ass in these forums and im new. if you wanna be real thats why. you're soo quick to say such as the big bang didnt happen cause they have no proof, yet you full foward worship someone that you've never seen, heard, or talked to. step into reality dude im not tryin to be an ass, but when i see some dude typin novels out then when i ask a question he types more to tell me he isnt gonna type that out go look for it i was all for havin a real debate till you did that dumb shit

 

[Luger187]

Argument from ignorance (appeal to ignorance, argumentum ad ignorantiam): assuming that a claim is true (or false) because it has not been proven false (true) or cannot be proven false (true).

instead of wrong, i should have said have false claims.

straw man

nope. he has said a few times all he has is faith

argumentum verbosium

do you not think it is crazy to truly believe there is a flying spaghetti monster in the sky? is that rational?

 

[tyler.durden]

Creationism can be taught in a Sociology class, Ethnic Diversity class, or World Religions class. Science is science. Creationism does not fall under science.

When I was in high school we had "moments of silence" where students were allowed to pray. I was simply stating what was discussed at this event I attened.

No, teachers should keep their religion out of their teaching to prevent any bias against them or students.

Of course there are limitations.

I've met Richard Dawkins several times, read almost all his books (got 'em signed, too) been to several lectures and an Atheist convention at Cal Tech. Dawkins is a firm believer that labeling a child with their parents' religion is tantamount to child abuse. Did you bring up attending a Dawkins event to state that you don't agree with him?

Edit: Never mind. I read your original post more carefully and understand you disagree with him...

 

[Hepheastus420]

no knowledge? more than likely i know way more than you about this shit considerin ive been religious and now i am not. so when you take the time to go on the other side of the fence and educate yourself dont come at me talkin bout you arent listenin to me cause i have no knowledge HAHA you're not listenin cause you're high up your ass in these forums and im new. if you wanna be real thats why. you're soo quick to say such as the big bang didnt happen cause they have no proof, yet you full foward worship someone that you've never seen, heard, or talked to. step into reality dude im not tryin to be an ass, but when i see some dude typin novels out then when i ask a question he types more to tell me he isnt gonna type that out go look for it i was all for havin a real debate till you did that dumb shit

Alright if you were up to a real debate then I'm sorry. Also I'm a fan of science I was jug asking for the atheists views on the creation of the universe. But seriously did you find out how the universe was created? Once again I apologize I thought you were just here to shoot religious people down.

 

[Hepheastus420]

I've met Richard Dawkins several times, read almost all his books (got 'em signed, too) been to several lectures and an Atheist convention at Cal Tech. Dawkins is a firm believer that labeling a child with their parents' religion is tantamount to child abuse. Did you bring up attending a Dawkins event to state that you don't agree with him?

Edit: Never mind. I read your original post more carefully and understand you disagree with him...

Why are there atheists conventions? I mean all they have in common is the lack of belief in a god or deity. Or is it like an anti-religion convention? Just curious.

 

[grizlbr]

No I don't understand how you say we are wrong on how the universe was created when you don't know how the universe was created. It's like you ask me how something is done. I tell you it's this way, then you say no it's not. Then I ask how is it done then? And you say IDK I think it's this way. Well guess what I'm still gonna stick with my way until you prove to me your way is right. And the way I prove my way is right is waiting until death when we leave this world. However if you show me undeniable proof that you know how the world was created then I must reconsider my beliefs. Until then let's smoke some bowls.

<<<Nice What convinces me? MY testimony/ is just what I observed so it is specific to me, yours is your life how do I challenge what you went thru?

 

[tyler.durden]

Why are there atheists conventions? I mean all they have in common is the lack of belief in a god or deity. Or is it like an anti-religion convention? Just curious.

Good question, Hep. The American Atheists organization http://www.atheists.org (and a few others) hold conventions to support atheists' civil rights and to promote the separation of church and state. They discuss effective ways to overcome the threat of creationism being taught schools, and politics/politicians who have anti-science agendas. There's also a healthy dose of the latest scientific data, skepticism and debunking of lots of different kinds of bullshit like pseudo-science and conspiracy theory, and promote critical thinking. Some of the world's greatest minds show up, even intelligent theists attend for civil debate. They are awesome, and I wish I could afford to attend more of them...

 

[blazinkill504]

Alright if you were up to a real debate then I'm sorry. Also I'm a fan of science I was jug asking for the atheists views on the creation of the universe. But seriously did you find out how the universe was created? Once again I apologize I thought you were just here to shoot religious people down.

its all good man. my stand on it all is i dont know. i dunno if there is a god or if it was the big bang and i also dont know if god made us or if we're just product of stardust collectin into planets in our solar system. for example we wouldnt be here if our solar system didnt form the way it did. examples our molten core that give a strong magnetic field around the earth protectin us from mini meteorites and the suns radiation, we're just in the right spot distance wise from the sun, jupiter that keeps asteroids from hittin us by its strong ass gravity, the moon keepin us on the perfect axis to sustain life, the fact the sun and moon are the same size in the sky, just soooo many little things that have to be perfectly in line those kinda things make me think a higher power is at work. then i say well given we know that we have billions of stars in the known univere so all those specific situation occurin by chance is a possibility. like bill maher i preach the word of i dont know lol

 

[Hepheastus420]

Good question, Hep. The American Atheists organization http://www.atheists.org (and a few others) hold conventions to support atheists' civil rights and to promote the separation of church and state. They discuss effective ways to overcome the threat of creationism being taught schools, and politics/politicians who have anti-science agendas. There's also a healthy dose of the latest scientific data, skepticism and debunking of lots of different kinds of bullshit like pseudo-science and conspiracy theory, and promote critical thinking. Some of the world's greatest minds show up, even intelligent theists attend for civil debate. They are awesome, and I wish I could afford to attend more of them...

That's cool, is it just for atheists? Like do people from different religions show up and debate with them? If so I would like to go... Ha I would probably be kicked out, but seriously sounds interesting.

 

[Hepheastus420]

Dude (Tyler) your avatar of tyler always makes me want a cigarette, like seriously everytime I see it I either roll a joint or smoke a cig. Ha I'm not even joking.

 

[troylamonte]

I posted something meaningful and in good cheer. Both your responses to me seem to convey disrespect. Good luck in your travels.
cheers 'neer

there r different degrees of Christs followers should not b but there is a growth period for all earth inhabitants and a maturing process. tha
t rings us to ur question, Having a relationship with God thru Jesus Christ which is wat it is all about. Relationship connotes a communication, some sort of affinity and mutual interest. in my case I took Jesus everywhere and he saved me from many a bad situations. I realize/acknowledge the pressesnce of God. it is a process that starts with reading His word and walking with God and He will do the rest to renew your mind cleanse it from the world wisdom which is foolishness o God. Jesus will draw all men unto Him but it is ur choice. In the end every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.

 

[troylamonte]

there r those that arent true witnesses or ambassadors for Christ. my life should draw u not only my words but atleast my words should be in accord with my life. salt water and frest water cannot come from the same well, so when u see it think process. pray for that individual because they r in the process a transition from that old man to putting on the new.

 

[troylamonte]

cause i dont want to be an asshole athesit like you.

we r all sinner and fall short of the Glory of God. there is non righteous no not one. we must draw men as paul write i become all things to all men so to draw them to Christ. CHILDREN OF LIGHT DUH. God Grace until the coming of Jesus, they can be saved, but not by these harsh references. you have sinned and god say it is better for u to tie a millstone around ur neck and throw it into the river than for you to mislead one of these His little ones (babes in Christ). repent!!!

 

[troylamonte]

what is it that convinces you personaly to believe in the god you believe in , what is the one single thing that confirms in YOUR mind that your god exists and you want to worship him/her/it? .

THERE NO ONE SINGLE THING THOUGH. THATS THE GREATNESS AND GOODNESS OF OUR FATHER. HE IS THE GOD OF ABUNDANCE, THE gOD OF MORE THAN ENOUGH

 

[troylamonte]

through proof. not in terms of heres proof right here in black n white on paper by scientist -----. but through searchin for proof by myself for myself.. you see God's way is the way to life that'll keep you from violence, and destruction. ''if'' you truly search for him, he'll reveal himself to you. sativa high, your searchin for God's truth whether you know it or not.[/QUO

GOD HAS NOT GONE ANYWHERE IT IS WE WHO MOVE FROM HIM. AS U READ IN OLD TEST. YOU GO A WHORING SERVING OTHER gods AFTER IT IS I WHO HAVE INCREASED U SAVED U FEED U BUT U REBEL AND STILL MY HANDS R OPEN WIDE. GOD IS ALL AROUND US OMNI-PRESENT. U NEED ONLY CRY OUT TO HIM. ALL GLORY BELONGS TO THE FATHER. THOU SHALL HAVE NO OTHER GOD BEFORE ME AND 2 LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF ON THESE 2 HANG ALL THE LAWS AND THE PROPHETS.

 

[troylamonte]

http://www.400monkeys.com/god/

sorry to say there is a god. It is going to be very interesting to see yours and all the other faces of those on the left when they see our king coming in his glory and when they have to sit and give an account at the judgement seat. Its funny how u think we just sprang to existence and the process doesnt happen now (evolution). And we can only explore our galaxy but there b billions of them and we havent explored our own planets oceans or explain and prevent catastrophic episodes. Yea of little mind and ways jer 55