Is Time An Illusion?

[Finshaggy]

Yes, I did say that, but not what you claimed I said a few posts up. Yes, nothing is proven, and your point? There is no such thing as speed of gravity and I'm not the only one that had to correct you on that issue. There is acceleration due to gravity but that acceleration is mass dependent. Acceleration is the rate that speed increases so there is no speed of gravity. Acceleration happens to be a bit less than 10m/s^2 on earth but even you can see from the video that it is much less on the moon. You are wrong claiming that I said that things accelerated at different rates in the SAME gravitational field. You're faulty memory does not give you an excuse to lie about what I said.

What you have forgotten, is that you WERE talking about the same gravitational field.
YOU didn't bring up the moon in that thread. I did in this one with my video.

 

[mindphuk]

Everything falls at the same SPEED, due to gravity.

Really? Then you should be able to tell everyone exactly what that speed is. Go ahead. Give us the exact speed that everything falls at due to gravity.

 

[mindphuk]

What you have forgotten, is that you WERE talking about the same gravitational field.
YOU didn't bring up the moon in that thread. I did in this one with my video.

Wrong again. You kept trying to say that gravity is the same everywhere. I tried to point out that it is variable depending on where you are in the gravitational field. Gravity is less on top of Everest than it is at sea level so even on Earth the acceleration due to gravity can be different. I didn't bring up the moon but I did mention other planets IIRC.

 

[olylifter420]

does STP apply to this?

Wrong again. You kept trying to say that gravity is the same everywhere. I tried to point out that it is variable depending on where you are in the gravitational field. Gravity is less on top of Everest than it is at sea level so even on Earth the acceleration due to gravity can be different. I didn't bring up the moon but I did mention other planets IIRC.

 

[Landmark]

What is the payoff of being right? What is the cost?

 

[Finshaggy]

Really? Then you should be able to tell everyone exactly what that speed is. Go ahead. Give us the exact speed that everything falls at due to gravity.

9.81 m/s2
With a theoretical "speed limit" of light speed. On Earth, which is what we are talking about.
I said a feather and bowling ball fall the same. You and Luger disagreed.

LOL LOL LOL LOL

 

[Finshaggy]

Wrong again. You kept trying to say that gravity is the same everywhere. I tried to point out that it is variable depending on where you are in the gravitational field. Gravity is less on top of Everest than it is at sea level so even on Earth the acceleration due to gravity can be different. I didn't bring up the moon but I did mention other planets IIRC.

NOOOO, I was the one that said the closer you are to the core the stronger it is. You opposed me.
My words were "Take some metal and throw it in the core, then try to get it out with a magnet."

Because YOU said, magnetism is greater than gravity. But THAT is also false, depending where you are.

 

[Finshaggy]

What is the payoff of being right? What is the cost?

I don't care if anyone ever thinks I'm right. I'm just stating the truth and laughing. He could stop replying anytime.

 

[mindphuk]

9.81 m/s2

That is an acceleration, not a speed. That says 9.81 meters per second, every second. 9.81 meters per second IS a speed.

With a theoretical "speed limit" of light speed. On Earth, which is what we are talking about.

If gravity has a speed, then that is the speed limit. You are still confusing acceleration with speed. Acceleration is speed changing over time. What does light speed have to do with anything. The limit would be terminal velocity and depends on the object's drag.

I said a feather and bowling ball fall the same. You and Luger disagreed.

They don't fall at the same rate. The feather has drag that gives it terminal velocity almost immediately. On earth, there is an atmosphere. I don't recall you ever mentioning a bowling ball and feather. You are making shit up now.

 

[Finshaggy]

That is an acceleration, not a speed. That says 9.81 meters per second, every second. 9.81 meters per second IS a speed.
If gravity has a speed, then that is the speed limit. You are still confusing acceleration with speed. Acceleration is speed changing over time. What does light speed have to do with anything. The limit would be terminal velocity and depends on the object's drag.

They don't fall at the same rate. The feather has drag that gives it terminal velocity almost immediately. On earth, there is an atmosphere. I don't recall you ever mentioning a bowling ball and feather. You are making shit up now.

No that is a speed. Look it up.

It DOES have a "Theoretical" speed limit of Light speed. I said that.

Ok, Yes it does fall slower due to surface area. But what about a bowling ball and a grapefruit, or egg, or marble, or baseball. SAME SPEED.
[video=youtube;5C5_dOEyAfk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5C5_dOEyAfk&feature=player_embedded[/video]

 

[mindphuk]

No that is a speed. Look it up.

It DOES have a "Theoretical" speed limit of Light speed. I said that.

Ok, Yes it does fall slower due to surface area. But what about a bowling ball and a grapefruit, or egg, or marble, or baseball. SAME SPEED.
[video=youtube;5C5_dOEyAfk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5C5_dOEyAfk&feature=player_embedded[/video]

Yes, same speed in the exact same gravitational field. Different speeds at different altitudes and on different planets. Just because two things can fall at the same speed does not mean that speed is the same everywhere. There is no set speed of gravity, it is all dependent on mass and distance from the center of that mass. Why do you think that g, the gravity of earth, is calculated AT SEA LEVEL? It's a calculation, not a constant. This is basic Newtonian physics. You're unable to distinguish between speed and acceleration and you think you know this stuff better than I do? You would laugh even more if you knew how stupid you sound sometimes.

 

[Finshaggy]

Yes, same speed in the exact same gravitational field. Different speeds at different altitudes and on different planets. Just because two things can fall at the same speed does not mean that speed is the same everywhere. There is no set speed of gravity, it is all dependent on mass and distance from the center of that mass. Why do you think that g, the gravity of earth, is calculated AT SEA LEVEL? It's a calculation, not a constant. This is basic Newtonian physics. You're unable to distinguish between speed and acceleration and you think you know this stuff better than I do? You would laugh even more if you knew how stupid you sound sometimes.

LOL.

Again. YOU didn't say in different places. You were talking about how they "Tested in a vacuum, and things don't fall at the same speed".

LOL LOL LOL.

Do you know what YOU'RE saying??

 

[mindphuk]

LOL.

Again. YOU didn't say in different places. You were talking about how they "Tested in a vacuum, and things don't fall at the same speed".

LOL LOL LOL.

Do you know what YOU'RE saying??

Prove it. I know what I said and I'm pretty sure you have no clue about physics in general. We never discussed gravity in a vacuum. We discussed gravity at different heights above the earth's surface and we discussed how gravity is weaker than electromagnetism and the other 2 fundamental forces. Quit making shit up, either find the post where I was wrong or shut the fuck up already!

 

[Finshaggy]

I'm not making up anything.
I brought up points that I made, and points that you made, almost word for word. And remembered where the conversation took place.
That was the first time anyone was a dick on here while I was on. I remember it for that reason. I didn't think so many people were dicks, and was surprised at how you talked to me, and MADE SHIT UP ABOUT PHYSICS, and expected ME to believe you. Without ANY evidence, to back up what you said.
You may have forgotten, since you've been doing this since November 2008. But this is like my third month, and you were the first ass hole I met here, and that was the first assish, and asinine thing you said.

And it stuck in my mind.
I just with the thread where we were talking about possible alien planets, and alien vehicles was open so I could bring quotes in, quotes where you disrupted the topic to make these outlandish statements. THAT would be funny.

 

[mindphuk]

I'm not making up anything.
I brought up points that I made, and points that you made, almost word for word. And remembered where the conversation took place.
That was the first time anyone was a dick on here while I was on. I remember it for that reason. I didn't think so many people were dicks, and was surprised at how you talked to me, and MADE SHIT UP ABOUT PHYSICS, and expected ME to believe you. Without ANY evidence, to back up what you said.
You may have forgotten, since you've been doing this since November 2008. But this is like my third month, and you were the first ass hole I met here, and that was the first assish, and asinine thing you said.

And it stuck in my mind.
I just with the thread where we were talking about possible alien planets, and alien vehicles was open so I could bring quotes in, quotes where you disrupted the topic to make these outlandish statements. THAT would be funny.

Must of been the thread where you talked about having sex with goats and sheep. Or maybe where you admitted to sucking off guys for money.

 

[Finshaggy]

Must of been the thread where you talked about having sex with goats and sheep. Or maybe where you admitted to sucking off guys for money.

Lol.

This just proves you're making stuff up.

I made a sheep jokes thread in the jokes forum. And you're having a relapse of the mouth right now, I never posted a thread about doing anything for money, I've never even posted about a job I've had. LOL LOL.
Go back to your psychO logist, and get those memories RErepressed, so that kind of spill doesn't happen again.

 

[mindphuk]

Lol.

This just proves you're making stuff up.

I made a sheep jokes thread in the jokes forum. And you're having a relapse of the mouth right now, I never posted a thread about doing anything for money, I've never even posted about a job I've had. LOL LOL.
Go back to your psychO logist, and get those memories RErepressed, so that kind of spill doesn't happen again.

I guess that went over your head.
My point was that you can claim someone said anything. Without the link to the post to back it up, it's just all hot air. I just read through the thread and I could not find any post where I said that things fall at different rates under the same conditions. I did respond to a post by 'neer where he explained why things don't fall at the same rate,

Gravity waves travel at c, the speed of light in vacuum.
Everything does not fall at the same rate. Were i to jump from an airplane, my initial falling speed would be near zero. i would accelerate to 120-180 miles an hour before achieving a steady state in which gravitational force is balanced by atmospheric drag.

Things accelerating at a fixed rate - different question. On Earth's surface we have the serviceable illusion that gravity is uniform, even though a gravimetric reading in Mexico City (9.779 m sE-2) and Helsinki (9.781 m sE-2) would be measurably different.
1200 miles up, Earth's gravitational pull is less than 60% of the surface value.

BTW, that was one of only 2 posts that even mention the word "vacuum." The other one by Luger had nothing to do with gravity but vacuum energy.

 

[Finshaggy]

I guess that went over your head.
My point was that you can claim someone said anything. Without the link to the post to back it up, it's just all hot air. I just read through the thread and I could not find any post where I said that things fall at different rates under the same conditions. I did respond to a post by 'neer where he explained why things don't fall at the same rate,


BTW, that was one of only 2 posts that even mention the word "vacuum." The other one by Luger had nothing to do with gravity but vacuum energy.

Link to the thread.

Gravity waves? That's ridiculous.

And right there, if this is from that thread. You said "Everything does not fall at the same rate." WRONG, 9.81 m/s2.

And you're wrong about that being your only post with the word "Vacuum". We had a whole discussion about how paper falls in a vacuum, and how Earth's gravity and magnetism effects it...


Early onset Alzheimer's?

You probably just can't search for it because I'm pretty sure the thread was closed. I couldn't find it either. You're forgetting a lot of stuff you said though. And not mentioning anything else at all. So, I'm pretty sure you just don't remember.

 

[mindphuk]

Link to the thread.

Gravity waves? That's ridiculous.

And right there, if this is from that thread. You said "Everything does not fall at the same rate." WRONG, 9.81 m/s2.

And you're wrong about that being your only post with the word "Vacuum". We had a whole discussion about how paper falls in a vacuum, and how Earth's gravity and magnetism effects it...


Early onset Alzheimer's?

You probably just can't search for it because I'm pretty sure the thread was closed. I couldn't find it either. You're forgetting a lot of stuff you said though. And not mentioning anything else at all. So, I'm pretty sure you just don't remember.

That quote was not mine it was 'neer. And he clearly said that things don't fall at the same rate is a different question than do things falling at a fixed rate. As both he and I have pointed out, your 9.81m/s^2 is only applicable at sea level. It is different at different places on earth and very different on other planets. This counters your claim that 'gravity' has a fixed 'speed.' Without using qualifiers such as gravity ON EARTH has the same ACCLERATION on objects at the SAME ELEVATION, your statement is decidedly false.


The thread was not closed, just look in your subscriptions. I do remember because I just re-read it. You are clearly mistaken. I did a search for the word vacuum and that post by 'neer and one by Luger were the only ones that came up.

 

[Finshaggy]

That quote was not mine it was 'neer. And he clearly said that things don't fall at the same rate is a different question than do things falling at a fixed rate. As both he and I have pointed out, your 9.81m/s^2 is only applicable at sea level. It is different at different places on earth and very different on other planets. This counters your claim that 'gravity' has a fixed 'speed.' Without using qualifiers such as gravity ON EARTH has the same ACCLERATION on objects at the SAME ELEVATION, your statement is decidedly false.


The thread was not closed, just look in your subscriptions. I do remember because I just re-read it. You are clearly mistaken. I did a search for the word vacuum and that post by 'neer and one by Luger were the only ones that came up.

Lol. You're wrong again. That isn't at sea level. That's from buildings and planes and structures.


And you're quoting FROM COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THREADS than the one we are discussing, and not even quoting yourself, or me.

LOL LOL LOL.

I'm gonna not reply again...for now.
You wanted me to believe "Mindphuk's random made up physics" before.
And now you want me to believe this...LOL.