Almost there! Build thread to grow thread. 2x 100qt igloos 1000w HPS/MH-unkwn strain

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OlBlue

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Once I get moved Im going to add 4-5 1/4" WRW Whirl-Rain Nozzles to each cooler and drop the water level about 2-3". Im also going to add 4 more 10" air stones to each cooler. total 8 air stones + 4-5 1/4" WRW Whirl-Rain Nozzles per cooler. Ill have the pump setup outside the cooler to avoid heating up the water.

Im going to take the original lids for these coolers and cut into them, making (3) 6" holes for each netpot. Ill then take and create individual holes for each hose that is ran into the cooler, which will be 4-8 air lines and 2 water lines for the nozzles.

Ill be taking some pictures tonight. The roots sure are growing! It seems like all the nutrients collect around the roots though, is this because Im not mixing them correctly or just a typical thing? Roots still feel good. I accidently broke off a root last night...oops.

Plat Kush + 1 headband - all got 1100ppm tonight
Drained 3/4 of Cooler #2 and refilled, added 45ml of Sensizym. 750ppm
Cooler #1...they are growing, few new tops! Going to keep them how they are until after the move though.
 
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OlBlue

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well shit damnit!

Was taking pictures today, then taking pictures of the roots...and saw gnatts! LOTS to, dunno how the f I missed these guys before... take a look. None were really moving...just squishy lil balls. Any suggestions??? I want this crap gone! I have sensizym in the mix right now. temps are at 15.7*C as of last night(they got up to 20*C just before the change). I scrubbed down most of the rez before I filled it up last night, sure did get dirty fast....

Im thinking neem oil into the rez. Or will h202 work? how will they work along with my nutes?





































whole room
 
faller200

faller200

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Sorry to see that man I hope you can save them. That's why I like single buckets. I never lose more than one plant from a problem.
 
VoidObject

VoidObject

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Looks like root rot to me..

If you're not using microbes or organics add a small amount (maybe a capfull) of h202.
 
dbkick

dbkick

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with those looking roots I'd kill off ALL microbes AND fungus. I forgot to answer your question on sprayers OP. I've had best experience with a home depot (brand Digs) with the valve on them, all others fail. These (although I should even know the stock number I've bought so many) do clog in the end but a good filter right after the pump goes a long way, use the pumps filter to filter before and then output to another pump before you hook in to the plumbing. The misters with the valve are quite a bit more expensive (2 for 2.50 or so) than the others but the other fail like I say. I've just bought some ez cloner misters to try soon. Both these misters (Digs and ez cloner ) thread into pvc pipe drilled and tapped with a 10-32 tap.
 
mista32

mista32

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Didnt read the whole thread but saw the pics of the roots and have one question how are the temps of the res. Or what kind of nutes are u useing i all ways use advanced nute.the collers might be keeping heat in
 
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dtischerd

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i must say..those roots aren't looking so good..i'm using GH Flora Nova nutes,and mine are just slightly tinted brown..so i doubt their discolored by your nutrients..even your nutrient water isn't that brown..somthing else is amiss here.

i think a big factor is your rez temps..i keep mine right around 68F..with no issues so far.

i would definitly give them a heavy dose of H2O2 for a few hrs..then rez change,and do that till they clear up.

i hope you get it figured out soon..hate to see you loose that crop.
 
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OlBlue

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i couldnt find h202 today, well besides the 3%. Going by the shop tomorrow to get some 29%.

I also picked up the 3 things to make some tea. Going to start that tomorrow at the new house and put it in as soon as i get the plants moved over. for now, ill do h202 though.

the water temp has maintained a steady 16*C today, they started at 15*C when I did the change. I will keep a eye on it. Before the change was at a high of 20*C...all below 70*F as most of you recommend. I have a feeling the heat could be simply between the water and the lid. the roots in that area are the really effected ones. the roots more in the water are actually looking better and more white compared to the middle.
 
rayishungry

rayishungry

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Good luck with your move and grow. I'll be watching.

With gnats, you can get organic sprays, or fly traps work super well for large numbers. You just want to keep water sealed up and off the floor. Don't have any standing water and try to shower and change before going into the room. This can prevent gnats, spider mites, diseases, etc.

Great looking room, I'm sure your new one will be just as clean.
 
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OlBlue

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The past week and a half has sure been interesting....

I started moving Friday evening. Checked them on Saturday. Moved them on Wednesday. Pictures will do the talking, but, you have to wait until tomorrow when I get access to some wifi. Cant get internet at the new house until December!

So, once I got moved in I started making the tea. It has been almost 48 hours in the bucket brewing. Going to add it as soon as I figure out how much to add to my rez. I tried Neem oil...and that was a fail. I dont get the 2tsp neem oil/2tsp dish soap mix....it suds up waaaay to much! perhaps this can only be used with a different system or something? I made some and put it in a spray bottle. I also have some h202 on standby if the tea fails to get rid of the gnatts.

edit, just added the tea to the rez. :)
 
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OlBlue

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Well, the gnatts were still looking nasty so I flushed it and went into full scrub down mode. Cleaned everything up. Fill the cooler with new water. PH'ed it and added some h202. I filled the rez to the bottom of the lid, nearly all the roots were submerged in the water/h202 mixture. I let it be for 4 hours and then drained/filled with a new nute mix with a little h202 in it.

Cooler #1 is around 700ppm, Sensi A+B, +45ml voodoo juice and 5ml h202(29%)
Cooler #2 is around 900ppm, Sensi A+B, +45ml voodoo juice and 5ml h202(29%)

The dirt plants were fed as well, gave them about a 1/4 gallon of 900ppm water. I gave them 1200ppm last time and it burnt them a little. oops.

Otherwise, I hooked up the can-fan and vent to the dryer duct. Also plumbed the hose to drain outside the house. So now my temp setup is complete. Time to finish the room itself!

Next up: insulation, drywall(2 layers), sound board, drywall tape/mud, and paint.
 
rayishungry

rayishungry

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Looks like you're getting there. And the gnats may be in your soil plants. You want to let them dry out and go as long as they can w/o water. This will help the roots grow and kill off the gnat eggs already in the soil.
 
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Bullethead21

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You dont want to use Voodoo Juice and H202 at the same time. The H202 will kill all the microbes in the Voodoo Juice.

Voodoo Juice is the most over priced bacteria innoculant on the market just a FYI! Man that stuff is a ripp off!!

Another issue is that AN uses UREA for a nitrogen source. That is mammal piss in case your wondering, UREA is ok for soil or when there are microbes that can break it down and make it available for the plants. If there is not a strong biological herd to break it down guess what happens to the plants?

AN sucks because they claim to use all the best source materials which is just another lie told by them, mammal piss is NOT the best source for nitrogen it is actually the cheapest and worst source for nitrogen you can use. UREA is also NOT for use in hydroponics like DWC yet they use it and claim on the bottle it is for hydroponics???

H202 will steralize and KILL everything. The reason you brew tea is to give time for a diverse a microbe team to grow and build up.

Your fighting your own self by trying to add tea's and using voodoo juice then using H202 to kill anything you added....

I would first switch to a proper nutrient for DWC, a mineral based nutrient is what you need to use or start learning how to build a biofilter and breeding bacteria then you can use organic products or whatever you want.....

Dont waste your money on anymore voodoo juice whatever you do. Get Orca or Great White, or Hydroguard or OrganismXL or any of the other more reasonable and fair priced products that work even BETTER than Voodoo Juice anyhow!

Your plants have the "Claw" look which indicates over feeding and not enough O2 to the roots. The ratio's are way fucked up in AN products...I know they claim to do MJ testing but I assure you the ratio's are NOT correct and there are much better suited products on the market for lots less money.......

Cheers!
 
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OlBlue

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Cooler #2 has the most roots, but the most problems.

Cooler #1 is slow as hell, but, they are growing! I really need to upload some pics...I have 50+ new ones from over the past few weeks just no internet at my house still and Ive been to lazy to walk down to Starbucks. haha
 
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OlBlue

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Bullethead21 said:
You dont want to use Voodoo Juice and H202 at the same time. The H202 will kill all the microbes in the Voodoo Juice.

Voodoo Juice is the most over priced bacteria innoculant on the market just a FYI! Man that stuff is a ripp off!!

Another issue is that AN uses UREA for a nitrogen source. That is mammal piss in case your wondering, UREA is ok for soil or when there are microbes that can break it down and make it available for the plants. If there is not a strong biological herd to break it down guess what happens to the plants?

AN sucks because they claim to use all the best source materials which is just another lie told by them, mammal piss is NOT the best source for nitrogen it is actually the cheapest and worst source for nitrogen you can use. UREA is also NOT for use in hydroponics like DWC yet they use it and claim on the bottle it is for hydroponics???

H202 will steralize and KILL everything. The reason you brew tea is to give time for a diverse a microbe team to grow and build up.

Your fighting your own self by trying to add tea's and using voodoo juice then using H202 to kill anything you added....

I would first switch to a proper nutrient for DWC, a mineral based nutrient is what you need to use or start learning how to build a biofilter and breeding bacteria then you can use organic products or whatever you want.....

Dont waste your money on anymore voodoo juice whatever you do. Get Orca or Great White, or Hydroguard or OrganismXL or any of the other more reasonable and fair priced products that work even BETTER than Voodoo Juice anyhow!

Your plants have the "Claw" look which indicates over feeding and not enough O2 to the roots. The ratio's are way fucked up in AN products...I know they claim to do MJ testing but I assure you the ratio's are NOT correct and there are much better suited products on the market for lots less money.......

Cheers!
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This grow is going to the end, regardless of what happens along the way. Im simply going to use what I have for now. Next grow, I will be doing something totally different.

The DWC plants are all doing well. The roots are still gnatt infested, but not nearly as much. Its slowly going down. I will be taking clones from the center plant in Cooler #2 at some point. I will also be turning 1 of the Platinum Kush plants in dirt into a mother as well as the clone I take from the Cooler #2 plant.

Figured id edit this with a little more.

From what Ive read and seen others use the AN line has been perfectly fine in DWC. That doesnt mean Im not open to change though. Right now, nothing else sounds appealing. Suggestions?

I was curious about tea/voodoo/sensizym/h202 and how they all might interact with each other. So far all I can say is the tea and sensizym made a MESS of the coolers. I couldnt see much of a improvement from the tea, and needed to get the gnatt situation taken care of so I dumped it and went to h202 and full scrub down to fight the battle. The voodoo juice has, well, Im not really sure as I dont have any prior grows to compare it to. The H202...well, its not making a mess of the cooler so happy. Plus it seems to be keeping things in line a little better. Not seeing as many gnatts, but the roots are still brownish. This is all in cooler #2 of course. Cooler #1 had tea and it did the same. The roots in Cooler #1 are looking better and better.

I might try the tea again later in the grow. Does this stuff usually make a huge mess inside the cooler??? I cant recall if I took pictures or not.

Also, can you explain the "claw" look? Are you referring to how some of the leafs are spinning out?

As for gnatts coming from the dirt plants, thats exactly what happened. I saw them, let them dry out, but it was to late. I managed to get rid of them in the dirt plants but they simply moved to the DWC.
 
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