Government Regulation

[NoDrama]

It isn't TV, it isn't that we excercise less (although that contributes) - it is because WE EAT MORE. And we eat more and more and more. Are we getting hungrier?


I'll say it again, a number of huge, multinational corporations spend billions with one intent - to get us to eat more hamburgers. Their campaign is working.

You are saying that advertising is what makes kids eat too much, but if you are like me and do not watch TV and do not let your kids watch TV, then they aren't influenced by it. Turn your TV off dude, its pretty much a foregone conclusion that TV influences Americans more than anything else. You understand why they call it a Boob tube right?

I have gone to McDonalds, i do stop by there a few times per year when we splurge on in town jaunts, otherwise i cook all the meals here at home, quite a few of those meals are provided for by my garden or an animal I recently shot. Did you know that Pheasant meat has less than 4% fat content? Tastes damned good though.

 

[canndo]

You are saying that advertising is what makes kids eat too much, but if you are like me and do not watch TV and do not let your kids watch TV, then they aren't influenced by it. Turn your TV off dude, its pretty much a foregone conclusion that TV influences Americans more than anything else. You understand why they call it a Boob tube right?

I have gone to McDonalds, i do stop by there a few times per year when we splurge on in town jaunts, otherwise i cook all the meals here at home, quite a few of those meals are provided for by my garden or an animal I recently shot. Did you know that Pheasant meat has less than 4% fat content? Tastes damned good though.

It is great that you do those things, but what you do is not the point. Get everyone in America to turn off their TV, and their radio and sure, we'd have an answer but I am not talking about answers to people who don't even think that a massive marketing and cooking machine can have anything to do with the behavior of our citizens.

The point IS that no one here is able to explain why we grow fatter except me and they don't want to acknowlege the truth.

 

[Harrekin]

It is great that you do those things, but what you do is not the point. Get everyone in America to turn off their TV, and their radio and sure, we'd have an answer but I am not talking about answers to people who don't even think that a massive marketing and cooking machine can have anything to do with the behavior of our citizens.

The point IS that no one here is able to explain why we grow fatter except me and they don't want to acknowlege the truth.

It's strange, cos the marketing power of tv doesn't make me buy tampons, aftershave I don't want, change car insurance companies...surely by your logic I can't resist tho?

People are fat cos they can't just stop stuffing their fucking mouths AND don't exercise, it's nothing to do with fast food. People have options, they're not obliged to eat it all tho.

 

[canndo]

It's strange, cos the marketing power of tv doesn't make me buy tampons, aftershave I don't want, change car insurance companies...surely by your logic I can't resist tho?

People are fat cos they can't just stop stuffing their fucking mouths AND don't exercise, it's nothing to do with fast food. People have options, they're not obliged to eat it all tho.

Yet my graph (and cursory as yet, research) says that Americans are eating more and more and more. So why weren't they fat in the 40's? in the 50's or 60's or 70's? If people have options, then why don't they take them? no one likes to be fat. According to your assessment they simply decided in the 70's to start eating more. I didn't say you couldn't resist and I didn't say that all people were equaly suceptable, but children are more so.

 

[canndo]

I'll ask again, why would Mcdonalds spend 800 million a year - every year, year in and year out if their advertising isn't proven to work? And what exactly does Mcdonalds want us as consumers to do again?

 

[MuyLocoNC]

Correlation is not causation, we agree, but there is ample evidence AND, not a one of you has managed to address the logic I provided. Many, including some here cling to the dilusion that they actually have totaly free choice and that their actions are free from influence. It is much more comfortable living in a world where we believe we are free than knowing that indeed there is a war going on for our minds and bodies. I actually think folks are ashamed. I did some research on this recently and encountered a whole lot of animosity when anyone asked "how many hamburgers do Americans eat each year" - why i wonder?

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It isn't TV, it isn't that we excercise less (although that contributes) - it is because WE EAT MORE. And we eat more and more and more. Are we getting hungrier?


I'll say it again, a number of huge, multinational corporations spend billions with one intent - to get us to eat more hamburgers. Their campaign is working.

And I'll say it again. You're wrong. We don't eat more, we exercise and move less while eating until we're full. The human stomach didn't magically increase it's capacity due to advertising. Athletes eat twice, three times as much as normal people and they are the most fit humans on the earth, your entire premise is faulty. We also choose to eat fattier/higher calorie foods because they are fast, cheap and taste good.

I addressed your "logic" and defeated it, but like most liberals do when presented with a logical argument that trumps your point, you simply marginalize it. But keep banging the same drum like you're actually making a valid point and pretending your question wasn't answered.

And influence is legal and as a businessman, I endorse it. Just because people can't control their urges and moderate their intake, isn't reason to fault the company for trying to peddle their goods. And you keep posting $800 million like it's a big number. It's not, relative to their profit and size of their market.

Yeah, I know, you'll dismiss it again and vomit out your "opinion" again like it's fact, simply because you say so. Then you'll continue to ask a question that's been answered a dozen times already.

 

[canndo]

And I'll say it again. You're wrong. We don't eat more, we exercise and move less while eating until we're full. The human stomach didn't magically increase it's capacity due to advertising. Athletes eat twice, three times as much as normal people and they are the most fit humans on the earth, your entire premise is faulty. We also choose to eat fattier/higher calorie foods because they are fast, cheap and taste good.

I addressed your "logic" and defeated it, but like most liberals do when presented with a logical argument that trumps your point, you simply marginalize it. But keep banging the same drum like you're actually making a valid point and pretending your question wasn't answered.

And influence is legal and as a businessman, I endorse it. Just because people can't control their urges and moderate their intake, isn't reason to fault the company for trying to peddle their goods.

I posted a chart indicating the average per capita caloric intake of Americans over a number of years - it is going up. I said that the less one excercises the less food one requires therefore according to your explaination people should actually be eating less because they excercise less. Recall I asked why people were eating more than they need. Excercise less, you need less. You claim people are not eatinig more, I posted a figures to the contrary. You did not address my logic and you did not address my question. If you endorse influence, which agreed is legal, then do you endorse marketing cigarettes to children? Are they exempt from fault for "peddling their goods"?

 

[MuyLocoNC]

I posted a chart indicating the average per capita caloric intake of Americans over a number of years - it is going up. I said that the less one excercises the less food one requires therefore according to your explaination people should actually be eating less because they excercise less. Recall I asked why people were eating more than they need. Excercise less, you need less. You claim people are not eatinig more, I posted a figures to the contrary. You did not address my logic and you did not address my question. If you endorse influence, which agreed is legal, then do you endorse marketing cigarettes to children? Are they exempt from fault for "peddling their goods"?

So, your now comparing marketing a product that is legal to sell to individuals of all ages with the marketing of a product that is illegal to sell to individuals under the age of 18? Come up with a better comparison and I'll address it.

As to the rest, why are people eating more than they "actually need". Easily explained. Because we can. This isn't something that just happened, it's been going on for a long time. Obesity rates have been climbing forever. If your argument was that it was due to the invention of the fast food industry and the poor level of food they provide, I'd have to agree with that to some degree. But, you're blaming it on the advertising of their product. Maybe it's not the advertising at all, maybe it's the actual type of food they serve that's the problem. But in any case, every individual is responsible for their own choices. I know that's not a popular position among liberals these days, but I don't want the government making my choices for me, even if their objectives are noble. I don't care how many people die from heart attacks each year, not one fucking bit. We all live, we all die... make your choices and live with them. Quit blaming supposedly evil corporations and people for the gluttony and lack of control of others. You may get away with that shit in NY and San Fran, but it ain't gonna fly elsewhere. Forget it.

 

[Johnnyorganic]

I wonder how many permits this place has?

Cambridge Restaurant’s Food Is So Hot, You Have To Sign A Waiver

 

[canndo]

So, your now comparing marketing a product that is legal to sell to individuals of all ages with the marketing of a product that is illegal to sell to individuals under the age of 18? Come up with a better comparison and I'll address it.

As to the rest, why are people eating more than they "actually need". Easily explained. Because we can. This isn't something that just happened, it's been going on for a long time. Obesity rates have been climbing forever. If your argument was that it was due to the invention of the fast food industry and the poor level of food they provide, I'd have to agree with that to some degree. But, you're blaming it on the advertising of their product. Maybe it's not the advertising at all, maybe it's the actual type of food they serve that's the problem. But in any case, every individual is responsible for their own choices. I know that's not a popular position among liberals these days, but I don't want the government making my choices for me, even if their objectives are noble. I don't care how many people die from heart attacks each year, not one fucking bit. We all live, we all die... make your choices and live with them. Quit blaming supposedly evil corporations and people for the gluttony and lack of control of others. You may get away with that shit in NY and San Fran, but it ain't gonna fly elsewhere. Forget it.

I am blaming it on the industry itself, what it serves, how it designs the food it serves and how it advertises and markets what it serves. Yes, no matter what each individual is responsible, that doesn't mean they are not heavily influenced by what I just said. You don't want government making choices for you but you have no problem having corporations making choices for you, limiting your choices, enforcing what it claims is the entirety of your choice in a matter. (if you are going to qickly eat out it is going to be a round piece of fatty meat on a bun). The thing is that you actually think that you are preserving your freedoms when all you are doing is continuing to defend corporations killing in a calculated way, huge numbers of Americans. Shall we look at those kind, benevolent corporations you defend? They make decisions based upon their bottom line, Ford determines that it is cheaper to let people burn than fix a gas tank. Tobacco companies figure a smoking lifetime of 50 years, after that they dont care if you get cancer, and Mcdonalds figures if they snag you early enough you will eat their hamburgers until you drop dead of a stroke or contract heart disease, no problem, they got you to eat your 2.5 hamburgers a week for 45 years, then they will move on to the next young consumer.

Yet again, Mcdonalds only purpose is to get you to eat more hamburgers - that is all this huge company fixates on, they will do everything in their power to accomplish this goal.

 

[canndo]

So, your now comparing marketing a product that is legal to sell to individuals of all ages with the marketing of a product that is illegal to sell to individuals under the age of 18? Come up with a better comparison and I'll address it.

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I said cigarette manufacturers have and some still do MARKET to children, regardless of the legal age to buy.

 

[NLXSK1]

• Yet again, Mcdonalds only purpose is to get you to eat more hamburgers - that is all this huge company fixates on, they will do everything in their power to accomplish this goal.​

  
  
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And after all is said and done, you are the one that has to watch the ads and you are the one that has to drive to the restaurant and you are the one who has to order the food and you are the one that pays for the food and you are the one that stuffs it into your maw.

What you keep ignoring is that people here are saying that free will trumps advertising and that we dont need some big brother program to interfere with either the advertising and/or especially the food.

Until McDonalds has an absolute monopoly on the food world and you have absolutely no choice, deferring to big brother government to force you to make smart choices is never a good option.

 

[MuyLocoNC]

I am blaming it on the industry itself, what it serves, how it designs the food it serves and how it advertises and markets what it serves. Yes, no matter what each individual is responsible, that doesn't mean they are not heavily influenced by what I just said. You don't want government making choices for you but you have no problem having corporations making choices for you, limiting your choices, enforcing what it claims is the entirety of your choice in a matter. (if you are going to qickly eat out it is going to be a round piece of fatty meat on a bun). The thing is that you actually think that you are preserving your freedoms when all you are doing is continuing to defend corporations killing in a calculated way, huge numbers of Americans. Shall we look at those kind, benevolent corporations you defend? They make decisions based upon their bottom line, Ford determines that it is cheaper to let people burn than fix a gas tank. Tobacco companies figure a smoking lifetime of 50 years, after that they dont care if you get cancer, and Mcdonalds figures if they snag you early enough you will eat their hamburgers until you drop dead of a stroke or contract heart disease, no problem, they got you to eat your 2.5 hamburgers a week for 45 years, then they will move on to the next young consumer.

Yet again, Mcdonalds only purpose is to get you to eat more hamburgers - that is all this huge company fixates on, they will do everything in their power to accomplish this goal.

I disagree that you have no choice but a fatty piece of meat on a bun. All fast food joints now offer MUCH healthier options, advertise them and spend millions developing those choices. Even though they are right there on the menu, they account for a very small portion of the sales. People are electing to eat the food they KNOW is unhealthy.

This should be a glaring example that your idea of restrictions and interference in the industry is a lame duck. Pressure from bleeding heart libs has forced healthier choices onto the menu and people reject them. You CAN'T CHANGE PEOPLE'S LIFESTYLE CHOICES. And no matter how many failures in trying to do exactly that you endure, the progressive mindset to control people for their own good, never ends. The only way it can be done is with the force of the government, essentially at the end of a gun.

Make no mistake, the religious right does the same thing on other behaviors, and I detest them as well.

 

[MuyLocoNC]

And after all is said and done, you are the one that has to watch the ads and you are the one that has to drive to the restaurant and you are the one who has to order the food and you are the one that pays for the food and you are the one that stuffs it into your maw.

What you keep ignoring is that people here are saying that free will trumps advertising and that we dont need some big brother program to interfere with either the advertising and/or especially the food.

Until McDonalds has an absolute monopoly on the food world and you have absolutely no choice, deferring to big brother government to force you to make smart choices is never a good option.

Not to mention that is the sole purpose of their business so you can't fault them for wanting to increase their sales. I applaud their tactics and I applaud their success. I happen to love McDonalds and many other fast food joints. I wish them all the success they can handle. We all die and the planet and society will barely notice our passing. People need to quit trying to save their fellow man from themselves. Live how you choose, educate your children, then let them live as they so choose.

Let insurance companies charge higher premiums for fatties. Then we don't have to listen to how we need to control people because it costs us all more. Another in a long line of bullshit excuses to control people.

 

[canndo]

And after all is said and done, you are the one that has to watch the ads and you are the one that has to drive to the restaurant and you are the one who has to order the food and you are the one that pays for the food and you are the one that stuffs it into your maw.

What you keep ignoring is that people here are saying that free will trumps advertising and that we dont need some big brother program to interfere with either the advertising and/or especially the food.

Until McDonalds has an absolute monopoly on the food world and you have absolutely no choice, deferring to big brother government to force you to make smart choices is never a good option.

That is nice sentiment but it does not address the FACT that we as a people are eating a bit more every year and consequently getting fatter as a result. You are speaking in ideals rather than reality.

 

[NLXSK1]

That is nice sentiment but it does not address the FACT that we as a people are eating a bit more every year and consequently getting fatter as a result. You are speaking in ideals rather than reality.

The reality is that it is none of your business and nothing needs to be done about it.

 

[canndo]

...You CAN'T CHANGE PEOPLE'S LIFESTYLE CHOICES. And no matter how many failures in trying to do exactly that you endure, the progressive mindset to control people for their own good, never ends. The only way it can be done is with the force of the government, essentially at the end of a gun.

Make no mistake, the religious right does the same thing on other behaviors, and I detest them as well.

I have been attempting to demonstrate how wrong you are, Mcdonalds is showing itself sucessful in CHANGING PEOPLE'S LIFESTYLE CHOICES, by having them eat more calories, more fat, more sugar and.. more hamburgers.

 

[canndo]

The reality is that it is none of your business and nothing needs to be done about it.

Actually, it is my business - http://www.ajc.com/opinion/obesity-threatens-national-security-294187.html

 

[canndo]

Not to mention that is the sole purpose of their business so you can't fault them for wanting to increase their sales. I applaud their tactics and I applaud their success. I happen to love McDonalds and many other fast food joints. I wish them all the success they can handle. We all die and the planet and society will barely notice our passing. People need to quit trying to save their fellow man from themselves. Live how you choose, educate your children, then let them live as they so choose.

Let insurance companies charge higher premiums for fatties. Then we don't have to listen to how we need to control people because it costs us all more. Another in a long line of bullshit excuses to control people.

Then, at last you agree that Mcdonalds is making us fatter?

 

[NoDrama]

The point IS that no one here is able to explain why we grow fatter except me and they don't want to acknowlege the truth.

there is only one reason and it is irrefutable by you or anyone, the reason kids get fat is because they consume too many calories. Set a kid in front of the TV, handcuff him to the floor, make him watch 10 days straight of McDonald's commercials, I guarantee the kid LOSES weight. People get fat because they eat more calories than they burn, not because of TV advertising, this is easily proven.