Right to Work

[NoDrama]

I'm sorry that you are unable to google RTW states/Union states. Then compare the states on the PDF charts that merkzilla linked to on page 6...Like I said learn to read charts against other information and you could understand whats in front of you . I thought you and I had an agreement that you would not talk about anything but finances and investment.

So the article you pointed out says NOT A FUCKING thing about RTW states? Is that right? So you are just coming up with the conclusion because you think it correlates? Is that about how it goes?

What If I put up a study that shows ALL of the RTW states having more cats than dogs? then I could say that the reason the RTW states don't make as much as the union states was because of the dogs. See how that works? No, you probably don't.

correlation does not equal causation.

 

[stoneyfockbrook]

Another example of anti-unionism is the right-to-work laws in twenty-two states. These laws make it illegal for businesses to deny a person employment because of membership or non-membership in a union, but at the same time, regulations mandate that when a company employs both union and nonunion members, the unions must represent nonmember employees (who do not pay the dues that go to the costs of union negotiations and services), even when it comes to expensive litigation against the company. By forcing unions to provide this benefit to nonunion members, right-to-work states discourage unions from even trying to organize in their jurisdictions. The costs to workers of residing in right-to-work states is significant. In right-to-work states, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, “an average worker earns about $7,131 a year less than workers in free bargaining states ($30,656 versus $37,787).” This is in line with another finding reported by the Center for Policy Alternatives: “Across the nation, union members earn $9,308 a year more than nonunion members ($41,652 versus $32,344).”

http://tcf.org/commentary/2006/nc1437

 

[NoDrama]

Are nurses unskilled labor?

They are Unionized.

BTW does unskilled labor setup program and run million dollar machines with tens of thousands of dollars of tooling and castings that cost more than you make in a month?

How many nurses got fired in a RTW state and were replaced by a cheaper nurse? How many exactly?

Are ALL nurses in a Union? 100%?

Why would you hire unskilled labor to break multi-million dollar equipment? Seems like you would spend way less in the end by hiring someone who knows what they are doing.

London has no clue about skilled labor becasue everyone he employs is unskilled, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to sweep a floor and clean a laundromat. I'm sure he uses imported Vietnamese potbelly pigs to fix his clogged drains instead of using humans. Pigs have no union and require no wage, that is the way London likes it.

Hey London, how much do you pay to work at your laundromat? $50 an hour?

 

[stoneyfockbrook]

How many nurses got fired in a RTW state and were replaced by a cheaper nurse? How many exactly?

Are ALL nurses in a Union? 100%?

Why would you hire unskilled labor to break multi-million dollar equipment? Seems like you would spend way less in the end by hiring someone who knows what they are doing.

Ever heard of a union apprenticeship program?
I dont have the stats on Nurses
why dont you look it up

 

[laughingduck]

The states with the lowest wages are in the south. Take a guess if they are right to work or not....They are all right to work and all fall at the bottom of wages paid out

It is all relative, I live in a southern right to work state. I do not have to make 100,000 dollars a year to live well here. 50,000 a year and you can live fairly well and still save for retirement, and own your own home and vehicle. I spent a few years in Colorado, a wonderful place to live, but you will kill yourself trying to make enough money to exist, and in the end not have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of.

 

[stoneyfockbrook]

Unions make sure you get it in writing before you waste 20 years of your life and find yourself middle aged without a job and the bennies they said were provided aren't there

 

[londonfog]

So the article you pointed out says NOT A FUCKING thing about RTW states? Is that right? So you are just coming up with the conclusion because you think it correlates? Is that about how it goes?

What If I put up a study that shows ALL of the RTW states having more cats than dogs? then I could say that the reason the RTW states don't make as much as the union states was because of the dogs. See how that works? No, you probably don't.

correlation does not equal causation.

The article I pointed out had to do with people being fired for wearing the color orange. Something that would not happen in a "Union" state.. Here is a part of the article I pointed out


Allan Weitzman, a board certified attorney in labor and employment law at Prosakauer Rose LLP in Boca Raton, says that under the ‘at will’ rule an employer “can fire for good reason, for bad reason, or for no reason at all, if the reason is not illegal.”
If an employer fires somebody because he doesn't’t like their orange shirt, that would be legal. An exception: If the wearing of the shirt was to protest working conditions, then such protest would be protected under federal law.

and the link http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/business...earing-orange/ ... it was my post number #10

now if you are confusing the link and post that merkzilla pointed out, in which I showed that RTW states rank low when it comes to overall well-being of children, I would suggest you pay the fuck attention to who posted and pointed out what... Are you reading the whole thread or just skimming ???? and what the fuck does dogs and cats have to do with RTW states...stop sounding stupid

 

[NLXSK1]

Yes, god forbid that an employer can actually FIRE his employees. /sarcasm

Unions create lazy fuckwads that grift off of the employer and government because they are too stupid to compete in the real marketplace.

 

[londonfog]

It is all relative, I live in a southern right to work state. I do not have to make 100,000 dollars a year to live well here. 50,000 a year and you can live fairly well and still save for retirement, and own your own home and vehicle. I spent a few years in Colorado, a wonderful place to live, but you will kill yourself trying to make enough money to exist, and in the end not have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of.

and at anytime your boss can come in and say "YOU'RE FIRED.. I myself have lived in quite of few states whilst in the service and feel the southern ones are the least educated and the poorest.

 

[londonfog]

Yes, god forbid that an employer can actually FIRE his employees. /sarcasm

Unions create lazy fuckwads that grift off of the employer and government because they are too stupid to compete in the real marketplace.

Firing your employees because of the color of shirt is stupid, dumb, and asinine

 

[laughingduck]

I show up every day, do a great job. This has never been a issue for me. Oh back to the "southern states are not enlighten bullshit". From my standards I would rather have 2 southerners then 10 northerners, and i will tell you why. We take care of everything ourselves, plumbing leak.... run to the hardware store and make the repair. Water pump out on our vehicle, run to the automotive parts store, pick one up and install it. Truly live in the south for a few years, and you will get it. Drive through the south and you will come up with absurd conclusions.

 

[merkzilla]

I think in either case you're fucked because if either side has the advantage... they take advantage of it.

Speaking in terms of public unions, specifically teachers unions, one of our teachers in high school, 'possibly' molested a male student (male teacher). I say possibly because I don't know all the details, I just know that he basically broke into a students house with a baseball bat like a maniac because the student no longer wanted to be his 'friend.' As of what I last heard, he still on suspension and still gets a pay check. Why? Its cheaper to pay his salary then to actually fire him.

Little off topic since we're talking about private sector unions vs right to work.

 

[stoneyfockbrook]

Snap On tools
Great place to work
Great Bennies
You can retire when your 52 if you have 20 years of service in
Of course that all depends on if you beat the clock
See Snap On tools (made in America) seems to shut down all their plants when the median age of the employees is 50 then they move them down to Tennesee and let the stupid Hicks waste 20 years of their lives

 

[londonfog]

I think in either case you're fucked because if either side has the advantage... they take advantage of it.

Speaking in terms of public unions, specifically teachers unions, one of our teachers in high school, 'possibly' molested a male student (male teacher). I say possibly because I don't know all the details, I just know that he basically broke into a students house with a baseball bat like a maniac because the student no longer wanted to be his 'friend.' As of what I last heard, he still on suspension and still gets a pay check. Why? Its cheaper to pay his salary then to actually fire him.

Little off topic since we're talking about private sector unions vs right to work.

do you have a link to this story. I must read about the teacher who comments felonies against a student and is allowed to keep his/her job..and is it the union that allows him to keep his job????Link please ...I will start a petition myself if this is true

 

[merkzilla]

do you have a link to this story. I must read about the teacher who comments felonies against a student and is allowed to keep his/her job..and is it the union that allows him to keep his job????Link please ...I will start a petition myself if this is true

I don't know if he actually molested him, but I have a hard time understanding why he broke into a students house for not being his friend. He didn't keep his job exactly, he was basically allowed to continue receiving a salary without showing up because the school couldn't afford to fire him (paradox). This happened jr year of high school, I remember senior year being in the office for something and hearing the guidance counselors talk about how the teacher somehow managed to get it brought down to a misdemeanor and that he was trying to sue to be allowed to come back and teach (even though he was already being paid not to).

Honestly, I wouldn't believe it either.

 

[londonfog]

I show up every day, do a great job. This has never been a issue for me. Oh back to the "southern states are not enlighten bullshit". From my standards I would rather have 2 southerners then 10 northerners, and i will tell you why. We take care of everything ourselves, plumbing leak.... run to the hardware store and make the repair. Water pump out on our vehicle, run to the automotive parts store, pick one up and install it. Truly live in the south for a few years, and you will get it. Drive through the south and you will come up with absurd conclusions.

You don't think people are handy elsewhere ??? You can keep Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Arkansas. ...Would hate if my children had to go to school in the south ( other then college )...Now Florida and Louisiana ( beaches, food, fishing, camping, anything outdoors ) I must say I do enjoy.

 

[londonfog]

I don't know if he actually molested him, but I have a hard time understanding why he broke into a students house for not being his friend. He didn't keep his job exactly, he was basically allowed to continue receiving a salary without showing up because the school couldn't afford to fire him (paradox). This happened jr year of high school, I remember senior year being in the office for something and hearing the guidance counselors talk about how the teacher somehow managed to get it brought down to a misdemeanor and that he was trying to sue to be allowed to come back and teach (even though he was already being paid not to).

Honestly, I wouldn't believe it either.

I don't ...a link would help. Right now it sounds like bullshit.

 

[Farfenugen]

Try crossing a picket line, see how many co-workers will still give you the time of day
And if that isn't bad enough, being called a "scab" and spat on. With unions you're damned if you
do and damned if you don't. Collective bargaining?

How long must a person work to collect a measly pension only to have it taken away or
left in the poor house because the fund collapsed or the government takes more than
their unfair share.

 

[NLXSK1]

Firing your employees because of the color of shirt is stupid, dumb, and asinine

If an employers employee produces no value then he should be fired. If someone is fired they still collect unemployment unless they are fired for cause.

If you have so little worth as an employee that you need a union to hide behind then I can understand your POV.

 

[sync0s]

This thread has completely gone down the line of partisan rhetoric.

The ends don't always justify the means. I want an argument that gives me a reason why I shouldn't vote for a workers right to chose.