Right to Work

[sync0s]

Synco do as you want. I gave my answer as to why you should not vote for it unless you own the company. Maybe you should think why you should

You're one of the few, and I appreciate it. I am sitting on the side of voting for it but I really wanted to get more reasons why I shouldn't before I settled on a decision. I've heard all of the partisan rhetoric and I don't think it's only serving to make people decide blindly.

I liked PraxicalExcercise's point about non-union members getting the benefits of the unions without the dues. However, I don't think that is valid for an argument to vote against right to work. It more creates an argument as to why is there a federal law forcing unions to provide the contracts for non union members?

Your response makes sense about people being fired for any reason the company deems necessary providing it doesn't violate the civil rights laws on the books. However, when you guys got drawn on a tangent about what color shirt it made me think about how I would get fired for not wearing a tie to work. Companies can have dress codes and employees should be required to follow them. Also, you can quit for absolutely any reason you want, and even under right to work an employer can't fire you for absolutely any reason. So in reality, the law favors the employee still.

+rep for you both

Anyways, I expect that right to work's enforcement could very well result in lower wages. However, lower wages doesn't necessarily mean a bad thing. Lower wages could still equal a perfectly livable wage while including greater employment. However, there is always incentive for employers to pay their employees more. Higher wages while still maintaining a competitive work environment (something that unions stifle) can mean a huge boost in production which can in turn help the economy greatly.

Regardless, when a company wants to hire an employee it should be between the employer and the employee as to what the terms of employment are. I'm not convinced the government, or a union (unless opted into), has much of a reason to be involved in that.

 

[londonfog]

Your post 75 doesnt even address what I asked.

Answer the question Claire...

One of my favorite movies..don't fuck with Lecter. I tell you what.. I take the same position as FDR, so if you know your history you know my stance

 

[stoneyfockbrook]

Synco's I noticed while browsing the web your facebook profile shows you are a active member of Rollitup.org
And although I didnt see you write anything about drugs per se
I dont want you working here anymore
You are fired
This is a right to work state and a at will state
Now get your things and get out

 

[NLXSK1]

One of my favorite movies..don't fuck with Lecter. I tell you what.. I take the same position as FDR, so if you know your history you know my stance

Actually it was from the "Breakfast Club"

But hey, you seem to get most things wrong.

Thanks for being so obtuse as to be able to carry on a conversation with you. Just another liberal obfuscation tactic. Sad that you cannot even give a straight answer to a simple question.

Next...

 

[Wordz]

Synco's I noticed while browsing the web your facebook profile shows you are a active member of Rollitup.org
And although I didnt see you write anything about drugs per se
I dont want you working here anymore
You are fired
This is a right to work state and a at will state
Now get your things and get out

and that's how the cookie crumbles

 

[londonfog]

You're one of the few, and I appreciate it. I am sitting on the side of voting for it but I really wanted to get more reasons why I shouldn't before I settled on a decision. I've heard all of the partisan rhetoric and I don't think it's only serving to make people decide blindly.

I liked PraxicalExcercise's point about non-union members getting the benefits of the unions without the dues. However, I don't think that is valid for an argument to vote against right to work. It more creates an argument as to why is there a federal law forcing unions to provide the contracts for non union members?

Your response makes sense about people being fired for any reason the company deems necessary providing it doesn't violate the civil rights laws on the books. However, when you guys got drawn on a tangent about what color shirt it made me think about how I would get fired for not wearing a tie to work. Companies can have dress codes and employees should be required to follow them. Also, you can quit for absolutely any reason you want, and even under right to work an employer can't fire you for absolutely any reason. So in reality, the law favors the employee still.

+rep for you both

Anyways, I expect that right to work's enforcement could very well result in lower wages. However, lower wages doesn't necessarily mean a bad thing. Lower wages could still equal a perfectly livable wage while including greater employment. However, there is always incentive for employers to pay their employees more. Higher wages while still maintaining a competitive work environment (something that unions stifle) can mean a huge boost in production which can in turn help the economy greatly.

Regardless, when a company wants to hire an employee it should be between the employer and the employee as to what the terms of employment are. I'm not convinced the government, or a union (unless opted into), has much of a reason to be involved in that.

The difference on the dress code thing is you know what you are suppose to wear or not wear...It was not against company policy to wear orange, but yet they was fired for doing so...Please explain how lower wages could be a good thing when your bills stay the same ???

 

[londonfog]

Actually it was from the "Breakfast Club"

you right I was thinking Clarice

 

[londonfog]

Thanks for being so obtuse as to be able to carry on a conversation with you. Just another liberal obfuscation tactic. Sad that you cannot even give a straight answer to a simple question.

Does that mean you don't know FDR position ???

 

[londonfog]

Synco's I noticed while browsing the web your facebook profile shows you are a active member of Rollitup.org
And although I didnt see you write anything about drugs per se
I dont want you working here anymore
You are fired
This is a right to work state and a at will state
Now get your things and get out

Face book can get a lot of people fired...Even easier in a RTW state

 

[Wordz]

don't publish what you don't want read.

 

[sync0s]

Synco's I noticed while browsing the web your facebook profile shows you are a active member of Rollitup.org
And although I didnt see you write anything about drugs per se
I dont want you working here anymore
You are fired
This is a right to work state and a at will state
Now get your things and get out

That's where someone being a dumbass comes into play. I don't have a facebook nor post anything like that for exactly this reason. An employer is responsible for their companies image. Would you not argue that the spokesman for a company should be held accountable for posting heavily racist remarks on their facebook?

I've been telling people for years that internet anonymity is rather important, and a huge majority doesn't listen. I don't think I should sacrifice my rights (right to chose whether to be in a union or not, in this case) just because you're an ignorant narcissist.

The difference on the dress code thing is you know what you are suppose to wear or not wear...It was not against company policy to wear orange, but yet they was fired for doing so...Please explain how lower wages could be a good thing when your bills stay the same ???

Lower wages doesn't necessarily mean you will get paid less than a decent "livable" wage, first off. Secondly, lower wages can equal greater employment which would lead to greater production, boosting the economy and along with that wages could rise.

BTW, the problem in America isn't that companies aren't paying employees enough, it's that our currency is being chipped away at. Minimum wage has to be raised in order to keep the entire system afloat. It's very easy to blame the private employers, and not the public government (whom can legally lie in your face).

 

[NLXSK1]

Does that mean you don't know FDR position ???

What it means is that you are too weak at debating to have an actual position so as a fall back demand that I have an argument with the opinion of a man long dead.

Not interested in playing games, there are people here serious about discussing things.

 

[Wordz]

i don't know fdr's position dur hur i'm a retard

 

[Wordz]

i'm trying real hard not to trollololololol

 

[sync0s]

i'm trying real hard not to trollololololol

You should try hard not to post.

 

[londonfog]

What it means is that you are too weak at debating to have an actual position so as a fall back demand that I have an argument with the opinion of a man long dead.

Not interested in playing games, there are people here serious about discussing things.

so I can't take the position or share the opinion of someone who has past ??? What about Martin Lurther King ??? I'm I allowed to take his position and share his opinion...OMG tell the Christian that they can no longer try to be "like" Jesus because NLXSK1 says you can't take the same position as a dead man..lol If you understood FDR you would understand my position clearly..not a big fan of history I see

 

[NLXSK1]

You should try hard not to post.

*like* 10chars

 

[londonfog]

i don't know fdr's position dur hur i'm a retard

google "second bill of rights"

 

[NLXSK1]

so I can't take the position or share the opinion of someone who has past ??? What about Martin Lurther King ??? I'm I allowed to take his position and share his opinion...OMG tell the Christian that they can no longer try to be "like" Jesus because NLXSK1 says you can't take the same position as a dead man..lol If you understood FDR you would understand my position clearly..not a big fan of history I see

You are an idiot.

Either you have a position or you dont. You do not HAVE someone elses opinion.

You dont wish to address the issue because you can clearly see you will lose.

I am not in the mood for the games tonight so I am simply going to ignore you.

 

[londonfog]

You are an idiot.

Either you have a position or you dont. You do not HAVE someone elses opinion.

You dont wish to address the issue because you can clearly see you will lose.

I am not in the mood for the games tonight so I am simply going to ignore you.

so you don't share anyones opinion ???? How do you chose who to vote for if you don't share their position or opinion ??? Oh I forgot you vote anyone but Obama...Hey how about Ron Paul..lol