Vegan Organics Aka Veganics With Matt Rize

[dickkhead]

Damn.....I didnt know we were so against cotton seed meal....in that case I'd like to take back everything I said last night, and matt I now need a new soil mix....can you whip something up for me, I live about 3 hours from NYC, how long will it take you to get here and mix it for me, bring your CC's so you can purchase it for me too cuz I'm broke.....j/k and thats the last of it you'll hear from me I swear...

But a question I do have to ask all of you more experienced guys that I cant remember coming across in the 2 or 3 times I've read this thread, how far into bloom are you guys going with compost teas? This past time I went right up to about week 7 of all 8-9 week strains but I was wondering if anyone has going any further than that and/or if you guys think I was going to long?

Matt, if and when your ready to enlighten us with the ideals of beyond organics or whatever you should choose to delve into, I'm all ears if you feel like sharing... Until then I have your bubble making tips to keep me busy, I just started making bubble and I gotta say its not something I was born good at thats for sure, but I will not be wasting much more time with the flaming POS bags I bought other than what I have to do to keep a small stash until I save up to get one of those bubble now machines and a proper bag setup. I started reading your thread and didnt make it too far, I said F-this I'll save my material up in the freezer until I can grab one of the bubblenows.

well im not experienced with veganics at all im on my 2nd harvest and decided to run tea and nutes to the end. so far so good. my mother plant has cloudy trichs a couple ambers and i just fed her:
1/2 gallon of tea with mykos in it
1/2 tsp molasses
1/2 tsp thrive alive
1/2 tsp humic
2 tsp cal mag
15 ml boost
20 ml flores
1/4 tsp of ej mineral matrix
and her leaves are pointing sky high and she smells amazing!! im doing this batch to see if theres a diff so far so good!!

 

[dickkhead]

matt sorry to hear the feds raided the oaksterdam university even though you said you dont teach their any more it still must be piss you off!! hopefully this doesnt continue

 

[whitey78]

well im not experienced with veganics at all im on my 2nd harvest and decided to run tea and nutes to the end. so far so good. my mother plant has cloudy trichs a couple ambers and i just fed her:
1/2 gallon of tea with mykos in it
1/2 tsp molasses
1/2 tsp thrive alive
1/2 tsp humic
2 tsp cal mag
15 ml boost
20 ml flores
1/4 tsp of ej mineral matrix
and her leaves are pointing sky high and she smells amazing!! im doing this batch to see if theres a diff so far so good!!

I agree dude the compost teas make it, my last grow I had 2 of the same cutting plant one was bigger in a 5 gal smart pot, the other in a 3 gal smarty but the same cut. The smaller one got more compost teas and the other got more regular feedings. Obviously the bigger one yielded more, even if it was the same size it would have yielded more but the smaller one was way more colorful. Now I just have to figure out how to make them all yield like the bigger one and color up or whatever like the smaller one and I'll be good. Thanks for the response, I was just curious how long others were running them into bloom.

 

[Bird Gymnastics]

I agree dude the compost teas make it, my last grow I had 2 of the same cutting plant one was bigger in a 5 gal smart pot, the other in a 3 gal smarty but the same cut. The smaller one got more compost teas and the other got more regular feedings. Obviously the bigger one yielded more, even if it was the same size it would have yielded more but the smaller one was way more colorful. Now I just have to figure out how to make them all yield like the bigger one and color up or whatever like the smaller one and I'll be good. Thanks for the response, I was just curious how long others were running them into bloom.

I usually cut out my teas after their peak in flower. So usually around week 5 or approximately 40 days into flower is when I stop using my tea. It consists of black strap, EWC, b1 green, and a few others I can't think of right now. I've noticed they actually bulk up after this last feeding. Finishing with that nice, clean taste that lingers in your mouth

 

[dickkhead]

I agree dude the compost teas make it, my last grow I had 2 of the same cutting plant one was bigger in a 5 gal smart pot, the other in a 3 gal smarty but the same cut. The smaller one got more compost teas and the other got more regular feedings. Obviously the bigger one yielded more, even if it was the same size it would have yielded more but the smaller one was way more colorful. Now I just have to figure out how to make them all yield like the bigger one and color up or whatever like the smaller one and I'll be good. Thanks for the response, I was just curious how long others were running them into bloom.

Word yea she seems happy so far

I usually cut out my teas after their peak in flower. So usually around week 5 or approximately 40 days into flower is when I stop using my tea. It consists of black strap, EWC, b1 green, and a few others I can't think of right now. I've noticed they actually bulk up after this last feeding. Finishing with that nice, clean taste that lingers in your mouth

im noticing the buds still need to fatten up the triches ate getting cloudy but my buds still look like they need to fatten and still has some white hairs. Do you think the tea is holding them back from fattening up?

 

[Bird Gymnastics]

Word yea she seems happy so farim noticing the buds still need to fatten up the triches ate getting cloudy but my buds still look like they need to fatten and still has some white hairs. Do you think the tea is holding them back from fattening up?

Honestly, it's hard to say. Their are a lot of things that can come into play with gaining weight. I will definitely say that a little tea can't hurt if you are still a few weeks out from the end of flower. I know a lot of people feed teas all the way till harvest, but I use my teas a little different. I use them as a "booster" tea...to give my plants a little "extra" at their peak. Sadly though man, it's all trial and error. I can only attest to what I knoW works for me

 

[Matt Rize]

matt sorry to hear the feds raided the oaksterdam university even though you said you dont teach their any more it still must be piss you off!! hopefully this doesnt continue

Thanks man. I know Richard personally. I taught 5 different topics while working for OU. This goes to show that its all about the big names and money. They are going after Harborside and OU's money. Anyone else who is known well will be subject to the same raids.

Please take a minute to sign the change.org petition to stop raids on mmj.
https://www.rollitup.org/california-patients/518101-change-org-petition-stop-raids.html

 

[malignant]

cheat sheets up, sticky'd in the organic section, sorry to hear the tragic news about oaksterdam, what happened to Richard? or Ed?

 

[Matt Rize]

cheat sheets up, sticky'd in the organic section, sorry to hear the tragic news about oaksterdam, what happened to Richard? or Ed?

They took Richard down, ran up on him in bed I think. Ed is only there for special occasions.

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( Noah Berger / Associated Press ) - U.S. marshals stand at the entrance of Oaksterdam University in Oakland, Calif., on Monday, April 2, 2012. The federal agents raided the medical marijuana training school at the heart of California’s pot legalization movement.
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Agents carted trash bags of unknown materials out of the school as protesters gathered to condemn the action. A museum connected to the school and a nearby medical marijuana dispensary operated by Oaksterdam founder Richard Lee also were raided.
Demonstrators outside the multistory building, some openly smoking marijuana, held signs demanding an end to federal crackdowns on marijuana, which remains illegal under federal law.
Ryan Hooper, 26, of Oakland, wearing an Oaksterdam hat and sweat shirt, said he had finished taking courses at the school in February.
“This is not in the best interest of the city,” Hooper said. “If they close the dispensaries, all of this stuff is going to go back underground.”
Oaksterdam University was founded by Lee, who spent more than $1 million as the main backer of a California ballot measure defeated in 2010 that would have legalized marijuana in the state for recreational use. Lee did not immediately return a message seeking comment.
The school offers classes to would-be medical marijuana providers in fields ranging from horticulture to business to the legal ins-and-outs of running a dispensary. It does not distribute marijuana.
Arlette Lee, an IRS spokeswoman and no relation to Richard Lee, told reporters that agents were serving a federal search warrant but said she could not otherwise comment on the purpose of the raid.
“What we are doing here today is under seal,” Lee said.
Agents also raided Richard Lee’s home and briefly detained him during their search but did not arrest him, said Dale Sky Jones, Oaksterdam’s executive chancellor.
“Clearly, they’re trying to knock down one of the leaders in the cannabis reform movement,” Jones said.
No other arrests were reported, and it was unclear if the raid was prompted by a civil or criminal complaint. Jack Gillund, a spokesman for the U.S. attorney’s office, also declined comment.
The raid was the latest move by the federal government to crack down on California’s thriving medical marijuana industry. Federal prosecutors across the state joined late last year to shut down dozens of dispensaries by threatening to seize landlords’ property if they did not evict marijuana retailers.
The government’s action came as a surprise to medical marijuana advocates because the city of Oakland has been somewhat of a safe haven for pot clinics. The city has long allowed four medical marijuana dispensaries to legally operate under city ordinances and recently awarded permits that would allow four more to open.
“Oakland has one of the most highly regulated systems for distributing medical marijuana in the state,” said Stephen Gutwillig, California’s director for the Drug Policy Alliance. “We think this is a campaign by the U.S. attorneys not just to limit but to kill access to medical marijuana in California.”
Others countered that pot advocates are mistaken if they believe the Obama administration wouldn’t take action.
“This is a warning signal to any city including Oakland that they should tread very carefully when sanctioning an illegal activity,” said Kevin Sabet, a former senior adviser to the president’s drug czar and an assistant professor at the University of Florida. “The brazenness of Oakland and other cities like this has actually made them a target.”
Some observers said the federal government’s decision to go after Oaksterdam shows it’s not going to back down.
“It doesn’t get much more confrontational than that,” said Alex Kreit, a law professor at the Thomas Jefferson School of Law in San Diego.








Posted at 01:23 PM ET, 04/03/2012Oaksterdam University raided as part of DEA criminal investigation

By Elizabeth Flock

Federal agents raided Oakland’s “pot university” Tuesday, as part of an ongoing investigation into the school, the Associated Press reports.

Joe Tremolada smokes marijuana as U.S. marshals raid Oaksterdam University on Monday. (Noah Berger - AP)
Local news reports suggested that the raid could be part of an ongoing federal crackdown on California’s highly profitable medical marijuana industry. (Medical marijuana was legalized in the state in 1996.)
But the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), which participated in the raid, told BlogPost that the raid was part of a criminal investigation into Oaksterdam University.
As agents from the Internal Revenue Service, the U.S. Marshals Service and DEA carried out the raid Tuesday, Oaksterdam students openly smoked marijuana, tried to block law enforcements vehicles, and greeted agents with shouts of “Shame!” and “DEA go away!” the Sacramento Bee reports.
Founded in November 2007 by medical marijuana activist Richard Lee, Oaksterdam is the most high-profile — if the not the only — university that teaches people how to grow marijuana.
Some call the school the “Harvard of Hemp” or “Princeton of Pot,” according to the Sacramento Bee.
The school’s stated mission is to “legitimize the business and work to change the law to make cannabis legal.” Lee explained his reasons for founding the school to the San Francisco Chronicle in 2008:

“I've seen in California that there are not enough good people who want to work in the cannabis industry in a professional way, who want to pay taxes and obey regulations and help improve their community.”​

Lee said the university would operate legally.
The DEA said Monday’s raid was part of a criminal investigation into activities on the campus. San Francisco DEA spokeswoman Joycelyn Barnes told BlogPost the raid “is par for the course of what we do.”
Barnes said Oaksterdam could stay open, depending on how it operates going forward. She would not give specifics about what activities the school would need to change.
“Marijuana continues to be a federally controlled substance, despite the fact that California voted to make medical marijuana legal,” Barnes said. “Anything involved the criminal aspects of cultivating and distributing marijuana, we will investigate that.”

By Elizabeth Flock | 01:23 PM ET, 04/03/2012 ​

 

[NightbirdX]

sad to hear. dont they have better things to be doing?

 

[Digispliff]

Yes, they do. There was a school shooting about a mile or two away while the raid was happening. 7 college students dead. All while 30-40 federal agents sacked Oaksterdam.

At least I got to scream at them how fucked up it all was. If you've never told a DEA agent exactly how you feel about them, I suggest trying it sometime. It's a liberating experience.

 

[dickkhead]

Thanks for that BG like you said it is all trial an error hopefully she'll plump up for me.

Yea Matt the whole incident makes you realize how crooked they realy are. They dont like people making money that's what its all about!!!! Does anyone know where this is headed? Do you think mass will get through I have family there and wouldn't mind moving back east

 

[whitey78]

I heard about the oaksterdam but not the shooting, either way its just sad they are wasting our dollars on this bullshit. To bad we the people really dont have a say anymore....

 

[HazeOneHealer]

Thanks for all the time you put into helping us all out here matt! So thankful! 1LUV Rize.

 

[whitey78]

+ rep for malignant for doing an awesome job on the cheat sheet

 

[+ WitchDoctor +]

Overall the raid was estimated to cost over $250k....

Hi everyone, I've been following this thread since last September..and I honestly feel like it has had a part in saving my life. I found this thread because I had just started using BioCanna, switching over from AN, and was looking for info on how to use it properly. While switching over to 100% organic plant-bases techniques in a soil-less mix I became fascinated with the process of growing these plants by being able to give it what it needed right when it needed it. This was an amazing concept for me. For the first 27 years of my life I ate like absolute garbage. I grew up on pizza, fast food, and soda pot..turning to prescription drugs as an adult for all the problems my diet had created. Thinking these pills would be a quick fix I used them for years, further destroying my stomach. Last year I lost over 60 lbs from appetite problems and even with smoking and vaping ALL DAY I couldn't eat enough to keep on wait. That's when I decided to start growing myself like my plants, by feeding myself just plants!! And only in a few short months I already feel like I'm flowering lol. My skin feels better, I smell better, I think better, I eat better....just like my plants do on PLANT-BASED ORGANICS!!

Sorry, just wanted to give my own little testimonial since this page has inevitably just run into more hate. Matt, RESPECT MAN. I make one batch of hash every two weeks and I don't touch a computer or a camera for days lol, that shit is HARD WORK!!!!!! And btw, I would imagine the last thing a public cannabis figure in Cali should be doing is starting a journal right now anyways...fulfilling the needs of your patients is much more important work, glad that you see that even if not everyone can.

And thanks to everybody else on here that has contributed as well. Nightbird, you're a great guy. I'm glad there is a cheat sheet than I can go back through now though, lol. Thanks Malignant.

I would like to finally contribute some information to all you guys for helping me out so much over the last few months. I've been working on my own soil mix for about 6 months now and I have a really good vegan mix that I can share. I'm still always working on it, but I think it's "there" enough to share. I've never used the BTP, but I've used most of the Roots mixes, FF mixes, etc....and what I'm making myself costs less and works much better.

Soilless Mix= aprox. 30 gallons

Dolomite lime –1 1/2 cups
Neem cake – 2 cups
Karanja cake – 2 cups
Mykos 30 – 2 cups
Coffee/tea grounds – 2 cups
Epsom salt – ½ cup
Greensand – 2 cups
Banana Bark – 2 cups (at least)

¼ bale of compressed coco chips
2 bales compressed coco fibers
2 gallons peat
3 gallons EWC
2 gallons worm compost

You could replace the coco chips with perlite, if you like perlite....but I don't. The banana chips are just cooked banana peels broken up into small pieces to slow release potassium (or at least that's the idea, I haven't had to add any since I started doing this)

And here is a link to a site that has NPK values for all kinds of stuff to make your own fertilizers Scroll down to the bottom of the page.
http://www.thechileman.org/guide_fertilizer.php


But now I actually have a question for one of you guys that I've been wanting to ask for awhile: I'm big into worm composting now...couldn't I just keep two separate worm bins and put high P and K waste in one bin and use the other bin for high N waste...and just use the high PK compost during flowering instead of Soft Rock Phosphate? It makes sense in my head....but it seems like if it was that easy everyone would be doing it...

 

['ome Grown]

+rep for going plant based for your health and your plants

I felt really energised and full of life when I made the switch...so good on ya.

I just bought some bio vega from the LHS, using it in soil at the moment as I don't have any soil mixed up for my babies.

Your soil-less mix looks tempting...I feel like going down the hydro path now (using veganics of course).

Cheers

 

[+ WitchDoctor +]

+rep for going plant based for your health and your plants

Hey, thanks man.

 

[Matt Rize]

OMG

I killed all my plants.

Broke the veg tent down.

Wrote the land lord with my notice.

Because I just scored an old barn/house with a huge organic food production garden, chicken coops, and a pig run. Two creeks converge at my back deck.

I'm taking some time off gardening to go thru to hoops of moving out.

But I will be back... no more indoor, well maybe a mom tent, heh. Its greenhouse and outdoor time.

rize

 

[dickkhead]

Nice keep us updated

I have a sativa in flower ( sour candy) and ever sense a few weeks ago when u fed her humboldt honey all her leaves yellowed on me I remember u guys saying its because that stuff cause nitrogen to get locked out. Should I feed her some nn nitrogen or vega she's prob 4 weeks away from finishing.