Vegan Organics Aka Veganics With Matt Rize

[+ WitchDoctor +]

would love to see that side by side witchdoctor - makes sense in theory, but like you said no backup info to be found!

What are you guys averaging with veganics? I had issues and was real sad to see just 1oz to 2oz in 5gal buckets, now i got some weight with some real happy ladies and pullin down the first bogbubbles this week, lookin' to be about 3oz each for sure, i'd be real happy with 4oz, ripe @ 46 days, and a couple of God buds that pushed 6feet tall i think will do 5oz easy, they'll go another couple weeks to like 65 days i'm sure.

Yea I promise I'll do a side by side, I do at least one side by side every couple months just for fun, or to try to learn or disprove something anyways. I did a side by side in January with Bio Canna against General Organics...but the bottom leaves got some mites on the GO's so I didn't think the variable would be fair. I'm gonna that one again too, just not until I finish these tents, it's hard to pay attention to the plants right now.

I just got 34 oz on my White Widows and Maui with 2400 watts. I'm hoping to sneak out a few more oz this time since I built a tent around them to keep more light in. I'm gonna take 600 watts out next time though and add a light mover. It get's up to 82 in there midday now that it's hotter outside, and I think I can still pull about the same weight with one less light.

 

[blueJ]

That's one i'm interested in GO vs. bioCanna, now that i'm feeding super heavy, lol, with the biocanna a liter sure does go fast. I run the same witchdoctor, 4X600w for flower but two are in a tent and the other two in the open, I need to hang my white-poly walls as I can see how much brighter it is in the tent then the ones in the open with light just getting wasted lol.

Oh, i know I've mentioned APTUS before, i now use the Fasilitator @ 3ml/5gal instead of protekt @ 5ml/5gal, it's the same silica supplement but with molybdenum & i think another micronute added in. Good shit, they also have a "humiblast" product coming out that i got a 60ml sample of, it's super black liquid and a single drop changes the color of fresh water quite a bit, i've been using @ 3ml/5gal instead of fulpower @ 15ml/5gal - actually i like to switch it up and go back and forth especially since i just got a gallon of fulpower!

 

[+ WitchDoctor +]

I need to re-read my posts before I reply lol, I always check for spelling, but not for math! I meant to say 1800 watts. I run 3 600 watt lights over 12 plants. I grow them about 3 ft tall and lollypop. I use 18 inch tomato cages around them, not the metal kind but the thinner flexible green ones, can't remember the brand name.

Dang, I just bought a new gallon of Protekt Silica yesterday. That's shit'll last me a year though.

The one thing I noticed with Bio Canna vs GO right away was that it wasn't more expensive to use Bio Vega during veg, as I didn't have to use quite as much as the GO grow. And I was using the same amount of Flores and GO bloom during flowering and buds were all about the same size on all plants in the 5th week on Chemdawgs, although after the 5th week I just continued using Flores on all of them after I took care of the few mites. Next time I run to the hydro store for anything I'll grab some GO bloom and get ready to start another one, but not with the veg nutes, just Flores and GO bloom. I'll still use Bio Canna anyways, I don't mind paying a little more. Especially for the certification, I like them, I don't care what anybody says lol.

 

[blueJ]

Oh okay, good shit, yeah that's a better ratio 34oz to 1800w instead of 2400w , still room for growth though, that's why we're here! My first goal is 20oz from each 600w, i can get 12 to 15 now, i think with the right genetics, i'm not necessarily working with huge yielders, but my sour bubble is right up there with the best, AAA.

Okay i'm kind of rambling today, but speaking of lollipopping, have you or anyone noticed bananas popping up where you lollipopped? Ever since i started pulling all the lower growth shoots, but leaving the main fan leaves, i get random male flowers popping out way down there where a new growth shoot used to be, bugs the hell out of me. I use to hardly trim anything and never got this....

My vega does always last longer. If the flores lasts one grow, the vega probably goes 1.5 grows.

 

[+ WitchDoctor +]

Okay i'm kind of rambling today, but speaking of lollipopping, have you or anyone noticed bananas popping up where you lollipopped? Ever since i started pulling all the lower growth shoots, but leaving the main fan leaves, i get random male flowers popping out way down there where a new growth shoot used to be, bugs the hell out of me. I use to hardly trim anything and never got this....

That's never happened to me, but I did have a new situation with some strawberry cough and OG kush cuttings my buddy got me from someone I didn't know. He swore they weren't from feminized seed when I got them...but his story changed after I told him that that Strawberry Coughs started flowering when my veg light went off for 15 minutes, and the OGs had little white pistils coming out wherever I topped them (in veg). I just flipped them last week so I'll check the spots where I lollipopped in a few days to make sure I don't have any male flowers down there.

Is it possible that yours are feminized as well, or did you grow from regular seeds? I know a lot of people feel that plants from feminized seeds don't stress any easier than regular seeds, but I'm not one of those people, lol. And now I guess I have a reason as well..

Also, I take the bottom fan leaves too, any that are close enough to get bumped by my watering wand that is. And I use a scalpel and cut close. I leave as many fan leaves as I can, but I figure if I'm gonna bump anything when I'm watering over a 8-10 week period, it's better for the plant to just cut it off early. Plus my bottom fan leaves always got a lot of the overspray.

 

[blueJ]

Regular seeds for sure, and i'm the same way, no fem seeds for me either. It's certainly not a buku amount of nanners, just a few here and there and they don't seem to come back, but i do notice some way down low buds gets clusters of seeds here and there, hash buds anyways so no biggy, certainly annoying though.

Here's my fatty indica God Bud, short n stout n solid bud and actually the 1st pic is the sativa God Bud, long fat buds and extra frosty

 

[+ WitchDoctor +]

Pics look beautiful. I can't wait to have to see some new strains flowering. I've been looking at the same strains since last year, finally just flipped a few new ones and took a bunch of cuttings from them.

 

[dickkhead]

why would feminised seeds be prone to hermie over reg seeds?

 

[dickkhead]

That's never happened to me, but I did have a new situation with some strawberry cough and OG kush cuttings my buddy got me from someone I didn't know. He swore they weren't from feminized seed when I got them...but his story changed after I told him that that Strawberry Coughs started flowering when my veg light went off for 15 minutes, and the OGs had little white pistils coming out wherever I topped them (in veg). I just flipped them last week so I'll check the spots where I lollipopped in a few days to make sure I don't have any male flowers down there.

Is it possible that yours are feminized as well, or did you grow from regular seeds? I know a lot of people feel that plants from feminized seeds don't stress any easier than regular seeds, but I'm not one of those people, lol. And now I guess I have a reason as well..

Also, I take the bottom fan leaves too, any that are close enough to get bumped by my watering wand that is. And I use a scalpel and cut close. I leave as many fan leaves as I can, but I figure if I'm gonna bump anything when I'm watering over a 8-10 week period, it's better for the plant to just cut it off early. Plus my bottom fan leaves always got a lot of the overspray.

if there shooting out white hairs doesnt it mean its female. my 2nd generation clones of female moms and originaly from femenised seeds are all doing the same thing.

 

[Wolverine97]

why would feminised seeds be prone to hermie over reg seeds?

Because of the very nature of how they're made. You have to induce a female plant to sprout male flowers, so naturally those which are the easiest to coax into going herm will pass on that trait far more often than is usual.

 

[+ WitchDoctor +]

why would feminised seeds be prone to hermie over reg seeds?

if there shooting out white hairs doesnt it mean its female. my 2nd generation clones of female moms and originaly from femenised seeds are all doing the same thing.

Yea if they are shooting out white pistils it means that they are female, however it shouldn't happen in veg.

Feminized seeds are produced by turning a female plant into a hermaphrodite. The resulting seeds are almost always female. Supposedly the process they use to do this doesn't weaken the strain, but by definition these seeds are kind of a freak of nature. There's pros and cons I guess. The way I look at it is if the plant has already been used as a medicine for at least 6000 years, just think about what the next 20 years of breeding with feminized seeds could do to strains long term. So I just don't mess with them.

Seems pointless to clone from feminized anyways, all the seeds are female. I'd rather just just pop regular seeds and pull out the males. I don't even keep mother plants, I just keep the nicest cuttings out of every batch and veg it for 6 weeks and do it all over again. Beats waiting for seeds in the mail all the time in my opinion.

 

[dickkhead]

Because of the very nature of how they're made. You have to induce a female plant to sprout male flowers, so naturally those which are the easiest to coax into going herm will pass on that trait far more often than is usual.

O that's good to know glad I have some of subs gear going!

Yea if they are shooting out white pistils it means that they are female, however it shouldn't happen in veg.

Feminized seeds are produced by turning a female plant into a hermaphrodite. The resulting seeds are almost always female. Supposedly the process they use to do this doesn't weaken the strain, but by definition these seeds are kind of a freak of nature. There's pros and cons I guess. The way I look at it is if the plant has already been used as a medicine for at least 6000 years, just think about what the next 20 years of breeding with feminized seeds could do to strains long term. So I just don't mess with them.

Seems pointless to clone from feminized anyways, all the seeds are female. I'd rather just just pop regular seeds and pull out the males. I don't even keep mother plants, I just keep the nicest cuttings out of every batch and veg it for 6 weeks and do it all over again. Beats waiting for seeds in the mail all the time in my opinion.

I clone to keep the female going so I don't have to order more seeds. But I think I'm Gna order reg from now on select the phenos and clone off of them!

 

[+ WitchDoctor +]

That's what's up. Yea I just got 3 different phenos from 3 out of 5 Wonder Womans that I popped that were female. I really like that I can not only decide on the strains that I like, but sometimes even decide on the phenos. I don't have that option if I don't grow from seed myself, that's the biggest reason for me. The only way I ever take a clone from someone to start a mother with is if I really need the strain and I haven't been able to order the seeds, or don't have time to wait from seed.

 

[dickkhead]

That's what's up. Yea I just got 3 different phenos from 3 out of 5 Wonder Womans that I popped that were female. I really like that I can not only decide on the strains that I like, but sometimes even decide on the phenos. I don't have that option if I don't grow from seed myself, that's the biggest reason for me. The only way I ever take a clone from someone to start a mother with is if I really need the strain and I haven't been able to order the seeds, or don't have time to wait from seed.

Yea I do the same but only one person ik grows so my strains are limited I just took cheese off of him and also just ordered sour deisel feminised from reserv should have ordered regulars DOH!

 

[dickkhead]

I noticed a banana on a Pinapple express ( feminised seeds) its between 8-10 weeks old. Is that a sign it's been flowering to long? I'm waiting for the trichs to go opaque or a few ambers.

 

[Wolverine97]

I noticed a banana on a Pinapple express ( feminised seeds) its between 8-10 weeks old. Is that a sign it's been flowering to long? I'm waiting for the trichs to go opaque or a few ambers.

It's a sign that the genetics are suspect.

 

[whitey78]

I noticed a banana on a Pinapple express ( feminised seeds) its between 8-10 weeks old. Is that a sign it's been flowering to long? I'm waiting for the trichs to go opaque or a few ambers.

You are in the "zone" or nearing the end of it I imagine.

 

[dickkhead]

You are in the "zone" or nearing the end of it I imagine.

The zone meaning when there at there peak to harvest! And will start degrading? When do you guys pull em when they show a few ambers or several?

 

[whitey78]

It's a sign that the genetics are suspect.

That late into bloom?

 

[whitey78]

The zone meaning when there at there peak to harvest! And will start degrading? When do you guys pull em when they show a few ambers or several?

Exactly, just watch closely thats all. I let myself get tricked every time I harvest by random ambers here and there, just be sure the trichs are full is the important thing, but if you're getting end of life nanners I'd be really close and ready with the scissors. I've been trying to catch them when they are going from clear to cloudy with some just turning amber, I have yet to achieve this perfectly but thats what I'm trying for myself.