Space thread what they didn't want you to see

I don't understand why all you people think our debt is owed to china.


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They only own about 1.4 trillion out of our 14+
 
ismokealotofpot said:
mythbusters did a moon hoax scenario..all they managed to prove was that it could be faked here on earth..am I wrong?
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It could not be faked. Very detailed, but you missed the point. Or didn't watch the show. Still wondering why you need to be so RIGHT about this?

China maintains, by far, the largest collection of Treasury notes in one "hand," that can be cashed outright in a day. You can ignorantly propose that we just "cut our losses." But that's not reality.
 
RyanTheRhino said:
I don't understand why all you people think our debt is owed to china.


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They only own about 1.4 trillion out of our 14+
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It is difficult to figure out, with the various notes and terms. So, I will float this. (thanks for the chart)

I have only respect for American Presidents. I can not say any have done a bad job. They are men for their Seasons.
Gotta love them all, I reckon.

Remember during Clinton, great President wrt China as was Nixon who paved the way. Clinton, I remember
made the un-heard of decision to re-finance America. Shorter term obligations began to replace the longer
term as far as portfolio weighting. 40 year weighting became 45 day, like that. I'm no deep weenie on finance.
But, it seems to me the shorter term obligation are aggregated into a fewer hands, China being, big dragon.

These hands, Brazil being a swing vote, are powerful. China simply announces no confidence in the Treasuries' Notes.
Call for gold to cash out. So does Brazil. That's a mess. It will lead to war of course. The same problem exists in reverse
for China. Their manufacturing base is already slowing as the world economy downshifts (while America fiddles with
posterity for the fewer.) It's all about feeding the mob in the end.

So, my forum mates, the previous war is always easy to fight. This is uber-real. Throw in some Cyber attacks.
Missiles go to status, Use Them Or Lose Them. Subs off our coasts are French. (for real)

Who will be the man for that Season?
 
cannabineer said:
Not so imo. If on a string, the pivot would be the attachment point. Any rocking I saw looked like it was about center of mass, as is to be expected by a gimbaled rocket generating/damping torsion moments. The other interesting feature of the ascent stage ignitions is the freed debris, which flies like material in a hard vacuum. cn
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how about a heavy object attached to a crane. you keep talking about this hard vacuum all mythbusters did was prove that the shit can be faked here on earth.
 
"...all mythbusters did was prove that the shit can be faked here on earth.

Not correct. They proved (to me) that even with modern equipment, IT CAN"T BE FAKED. "
 
ismokealotofpot said:
how about a heavy object attached to a crane. you keep talking about this hard vacuum all mythbusters did was prove that the shit can be faked here on earth.
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I keep talking about hard vacuum because things with high surface area (dust, debris, the flag) behave characteristically under vacuum in ways they don't (and can't) in any sort of atmosphere. There is no way to place such a big stage (required if the film were hoaxed) under that kind of vacuum. Watch an ascent stage launch or the spray of dust from the Rover.


As for a crane ... what lifts it (if on a line) won't have any effect at all on the pivot point of the ascent stage. cn
 
Doer said:
"...all mythbusters did was prove that the shit can be faked here on earth.

Not correct. They proved (to me) that even with modern equipment, IT CAN"T BE FAKED. "
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He will just keep ignoring the facts and come up with his own reality. The very first video of the MB episode in question I pointed out to him how they tried to replicate one-sixth G by various methods and NONE of them matched with actual footage. If he actually watched the videos he could not make the claim that it could be faked on earth because that is the specific myth that they busted. Anyone this detached from reality and honesty really doesn't deserve our responses.
 
Right. When someone really does not want to discuss what seems to be the truth, but wants to convince us with "how could it possibly...?" As I mention also, it sounds like he didn't even watch the show, only heard about it.

I'm still amused by the "gift of sub-light travel" from the math thread, Possibly another person, but pretty funny, really.
 
cannabineer said:
I keep talking about hard vacuum because things with high surface area (dust, debris, the flag) behave characteristically under vacuum in ways they don't (and can't) in any sort of atmosphere. There is no way to place such a big stage (required if the film were hoaxed) under that kind of vacuum. Watch an ascent stage launch or the spray of dust from the Rover.


As for a crane ... what lifts it (if on a line) won't have any effect at all on the pivot point of the ascent stage. cn
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To me what cinches it beyond other cinches, is the Assent from the moon. I can watch that over and over. How much did that mass?
How did that little rocket poof send it upward? The Myth boys didn't even have to try that one. You can't launch anything from earth's gravity well, that can mimic the spooky acceleration from the Lunar surface. No model at any mass can do that from earth.
 
Doer said:
To me what cinches it beyond other cinches, is the Assent from the moon. I can watch that over and over. How much did that mass?
How did that little rocket poof send it upward? The Myth boys didn't even have to try that one. You can't launch anything from earth's gravity well, that can mimic the spooky acceleration from the Lunar surface. No model at any mass can do that from earth.
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I'm gonna say...Magnets?
 
ismokealotofpot said:
unless you have a crane pull it up
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You're not reading all of the replies. Someone already pointed out that would not allow for the wobbling around the center of mass. If it were a crane, it would be wobbling from the pivot point where the cable hooked on to the LEM. These videos cannot be replicated here on earth no matter how much you want to believe otherwise.

Why are you so invested in believing there really was no moon landing? All of your so-called evidence is either pure fabrication or has normal mundane explanations yet you go out of your way in believing the random people that try to perpetuate this myth. What is it specifically about the moon landing that makes you want to believe it didn't happen?
 
Before the moon landings radiation was a key concern. Gold lined the spacesuits of the apollo astronauts in an effort to keep them safe. Metal reacts violently when exposed to solar storm radiation like metal in a microwave oven. Gold was also used to sheild the electronics on the probes that explored jupiter and the outer planets. Any spacecraft designed for manned exploration would have to be assembled in space. If radiation is truly the prime concern such as the van allen belts, Russia would have said something long ago. Moscow reconizes that the US has in fact landed men on the moon.
 
Yes, if our enemies understand, that is sufficient. Space faring could be the key to global peace, if we figure a way the Big 5 economies can mutually assure the planet's destruction from space. Then we can mutally defend the planet from Solar debris, also.
 
By Lee Ferran​
Apr 23, 2012 11:22am

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It turns out that tearing through the atmosphere at 20 times the speed of sound is bad for the skin, even if you’re a super high-tech aircraft developed by the government’s best engineers at its far-out research agency.
DARPA, the Defense Advanced Research Project Agency, has made public its best guess about what might have caused its unmanned arrowhead-shaped Hypersonic Technology Vehicle (HTV-2) to suddenly lose contact and crash in the Pacific just a few minutes after slicing through the sky at Mach 20 last August: it was going so fast its skin peeled off.
After an eight-month investigation, DARPA concluded that even though the HTV-2 was expected to lose some of its skin mid-flight, “larger than anticipated portions of the vehicle’s skin peeled from the aerostructure,” the agency said in a statement Friday.
The agency said it expected the HTV-2, which goes so fast it can make the commute from New York to Los Angeles in 12 minutes, to experience “impulsive shock waves” at such speeds, but shocks it experienced last August were “more than 100 times what the vehicle was designed to withstand.”
While the test was very public, the details of the HTV-2′s design, stability system and potential purpose remain highly classified.
Two months after DARPA’s test, the Army tested its own hypersonic aircraft — this one a long-range weapon system called the Advanced Hypersonic Weapon (AHW) designed to strike any target in the world in just a couple hours.

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i seen one similar a few years back only it didn't fly that fast. it was fallowing me in my car matching my speed perfectly even when i slammed on my breaks it had no lag. what is strange is it knew where i was going and flew rite over the bowling ally no more than ten feet above the building.this craft made zero noise and had me in a spotlight until it flew over the building. i think the story the feds are telling is a ruse or what i seen was a ufo. i got real close to it within 30 feet
 
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