Do Not Talk to the Police

[cannofbliss]

Dude, just recently police tazed and shot an old man to death when he refused help after his medic-alert went off, and those cops aren't being charged.. Police rarely get in trouble for assault, ask Rodney King.And answer one simple question.. Is following your advice the quickest/easiest way to get back out on the streets, or are you just trying to recruit martyrs for your cause??

nevermind... apparently you guys arguing with me arent ever going to comprehend what i have said so just carry on with your lives and just move on...

 

[cannofbliss]

to the rest in order to help you here are two articles in which you can see that the even the supreme court agrees with me that you cannot be silent...

you have to assert your rights...

here is a list perhaps is easier to understand...

this is just one example of why you need to assert your rights to the police... and that being "silent" is not even recognized...

1.) if you are completely silent... you are giving implied consent...

2.) you need to assert your rights... right away...

3.) you need to let them know that they do not have the authority over your body...

4.) if you dont assert your rights... they will substitute and limit your rights for the ones they tell you that you can have...

5.) being silent is not recognized as a right, unless you assert it right from the beginning...

6.) Never Never ever ever answer Any of their questions with an affirmative as in NEVER answer yes... dont even answer Any of their questions...

here are the articles regarding the supreme court decision regarding "silence"... and why the title of this thread is why i had to speak up to inform that being silent to police is a very bad idea and also that again if you are silent... that gives them consent over you...

read the articles and you can see that even the supreme court agrees with what i have said about asserting your rights Verbally and to do so right away...
and it also proves that you should Never ever answer in the affirmative to any of the questions they give you because (even though this guy thompson was guilty and did deserve to be locked up so he couldnt hurt anyone else again) it only shows you that the police are skilled at the art of manipulation and intimidation in order to produce the results they want... regardless of whether or not someone is guilty... so they will try to trick you and in order to not let them you must first assert your rights as i have earlier stated... And you must Not Be Silent...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...060102114.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/02/us/02scotus.html

this is one reason why you cannot be silent and you need to assert your rights right away... does this better clarify it perhaps???

 

[born2killspam]

to the rest in order to help you here are two articles in which you can see that the even the supreme court agrees with me that you cannot be silent...you have to assert your rights...here is a list perhaps is easier to understand...this is just one example of why you need to assert your rights to the police... and that being "silent" is not even recognized...1.) if you are completely silent... you are giving implied consent...2.) you need to assert your rights... right away...3.) you need to let them know that they do not have the authority over your body...4.) if you dont assert your rights... they will substitute and limit your rights for the ones they tell you that you can have...5.) being silent is not recognized as a right, unless you assert it right from the beginning...6.) Never Never ever ever answer Any of their questions with an affirmative as in NEVER answer yes... dont even answer Any of their questions...here are the articles regarding the supreme court decision regarding "silence"... and why the title of this thread is why i had to speak up to inform that being silent to police is a very bad idea and also that again if you are silent... that gives them consent over you...read the articles and you can see that even the supreme court agrees with what i have said about asserting your rights Verbally and to do so right away...and it also proves that you should Never ever answer in the affirmative to any of the questions they give you because (even though this guy thompson was guilty and did deserve to be locked up so he couldnt hurt anyone else again) it only shows you that the police are skilled at the art of manipulation and intimidation in order to produce the results they want... regardless of whether or not someone is guilty... so they will try to trick you and in order to not let them you must first assert your rights as i have earlier stated... And you must Not Be Silent...http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...060102114.htmlhttp://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/02/us/02scotus.htmlthis is one reason why you cannot be silent and you need to assert your rights right away... does this better clarify it perhaps???

Those articles both describe the same event, which happens to be irrelevant to your claims, and in-line with the original premise of the thread.. Your boy opened his fat ass mouth and incriminated himself dumbass..

 

[cannofbliss]

^^^he wasnt my "boy" (youre retarded) lol... i provided 2 sources for confirmation... and its also apparent that you cant even read either... lol

carry on... and you had better start walking around with a helmet on... to keep your re re self from getting more retarded... so you can keep whatever brain cells that are left in that noggin of yours safe...

it was sort of aggravating hearing you guys completely miss what i was telling you earlier... now its just plain damn funny... LOL

 

[Doer]

to the rest in order to help you here are two articles in which you can see that the even the supreme court agrees with me that you cannot be silent...

you have to assert your rights...

here is a list perhaps is easier to understand...

this is just one example of why you need to assert your rights to the police... and that being "silent" is not even recognized...

1.) if you are completely silent... you are giving implied consent...

2.) you need to assert your rights... right away...

3.) you need to let them know that they do not have the authority over your body...

4.) if you dont assert your rights... they will substitute and limit your rights for the ones they tell you that you can have...

5.) being silent is not recognized as a right, unless you assert it right from the beginning...

6.) Never Never ever ever answer Any of their questions with an affirmative as in NEVER answer yes... dont even answer Any of their questions...

here are the articles regarding the supreme court decision regarding "silence"... and why the title of this thread is why i had to speak up to inform that being silent to police is a very bad idea and also that again if you are silent... that gives them consent over you...

read the articles and you can see that even the supreme court agrees with what i have said about asserting your rights Verbally and to do so right away...
and it also proves that you should Never ever answer in the affirmative to any of the questions they give you because (even though this guy thompson was guilty and did deserve to be locked up so he couldnt hurt anyone else again) it only shows you that the police are skilled at the art of manipulation and intimidation in order to produce the results they want... regardless of whether or not someone is guilty... so they will try to trick you and in order to not let them you must first assert your rights as i have earlier stated... And you must Not Be Silent...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...060102114.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/02/us/02scotus.html

this is one reason why you cannot be silent and you need to assert your rights right away... does this better clarify it perhaps???

Very much so. I really appreciate the effort. And now I see what you mean. It is a subtle point but, over the top, in importance.

Cops are actors. They can act like your friend or they can causally offer to beat you to a pulp. No sweat, either way. So, you don't have to answer their questions, I agree.

"Do you know why I pull you over?" "Officer, I really rather you tell me."

We all love to explain and you can explain yourself right to jail.

Totally agree. They try to intimidate, don't try to intimidate back.

"Officer, I am just not going to answer any of these questions about what I was doing, intending, or thinking."

 

[born2killspam]

^^^he wasnt my "boy" (youre retarded) lol... i provided 2 sources for confirmation... and its also apparent that you cant even read either... lolcarry on... and you had better start walking around with a helmet on... to keep your re re self from getting more retarded... so you can keep whatever brain cells that are left in that noggin of yours safe... it was sort of aggravating hearing you guys completely miss what i was telling you earlier... now its just plain damn funny... LOL

"The court ruled 5 to 4 that a Michigan defendant who incriminated himself in a fatal shooting by saying one word after nearly three hours of questioning had given up his right to silence, and that the statement could be used against him at trial. "Where the prosecution shows that a Miranda warning was given and that it was understood by the accused, an accused's uncoerced statement establishes an implied waiver of the right to remain silent," Justice Anthony M. Kennedy wrote for the majority."He incriminated himself by saying he believed God would forgibe him for the murder.. It has nothing to do with your premise of identification or common law..Edit why the fuck does this board purge my paragraphs and sentence spacing??

 

[cannofbliss]

^^^@borntokillspam... the ruling was... that if you were going to remain silent... you had to state that right out loud and not just "be silent"...

again the whole implied consent thing...

 

[born2killspam]

""Where the prosecution shows that a Miranda warning was given and that it was understood by the accused, an accused's uncoerced statement establishes an implied waiver of the right to remain silent," Justice Anthony M. Kennedy wrote for the majority."---I'm actually on the side the the majority here.. Miranda warning was given, he had the right to remain silent, he didn't do that.. It only seems logical that if you say nothing, the police are allowed to keep asking you questions.. I don't even think that verbally invoking the right to remain silent should prevent police from being allowed to ask questions.. You are still free to not answer them.. I can understand why you need to invoke your right to councsel since the police have to cooperate in order to make that happen, but the right to remain silent requires nothing more than not opening your cake hole.. It's a right that you possess whether you're under arrest or not, and regardless of your financial situation.. Access to a lawyer on the other hand is a Miranda right that not everyone can be prepared for prior to arrest..

 

[bird mcbride]

Facts are the police only interigate if the don't have a case. If they insist on questioning relax. Their only hope is that you'll say something to solidify their case against you.

 

[born2killspam]

Not exactly.. They'll interrogate in hopes of getting gravy to pour on the case they have, and if they don't have a case they may taunt you by saying they have an air-tight case in hopes that it puts you off balance enough to give them something..It's best to not even speak in regards to questions about a case.. Even playing dumb-innocent is risky without some serious criminal law experience.. The only statement you should make is "I'm not a lawyer, I should probably get one if you're going to keep drilling me like this.." (Unless you are a lawyer, in which case you shouldn't lie to them for the sake of passive aggressiveness)

 

[mindphuk]

This is what happens if you try to protect yourself from police. If cannobliss thinks holding your arms and legs in tight will be looked upon as just protecting you sovereign body then you might end up like Kelly Thomas.

[video=youtube;T8r33VHT46c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=T8r33VHT46c[/video]

 

[cannofbliss]

there are millions of us and only thousands of them... you do the math...

all you seem to do is spread fear...

so what...

im still not going to fear them... and neither should you...

i never said antagonize... i simply said be clear and concise when confronted...

however wrong what they did to him... Still... what happened there is a 1 and a million occurrence...

they arent the boogie man... so stop being a pussy and spreading fear to everyone...

 

[mindphuk]

however wrong what they did to him... Still... what happened there is a 1 and a million occurrence...

That's because most people when beat and tazed end up complying no matter what your personal philosophy. If they tell you to place your hands behind your back and you insist on keeping them tucked in 'protecting your body' you are de facto resisting at that point. All I can say is good luck with that. The other millions of people couldn't help poor Kelly Thomas although the sick fuck pigs that instigated this episode will go down for murder IMO.

 

[Doer]

That's because most people when beat and tazed end up complying no matter what your personal philosophy. If they tell you to place your hands behind your back and you insist on keeping them tucked in 'protecting your body' you are de facto resisting at that point. All I can say is good luck with that. The other millions of people couldn't help poor Kelly Thomas although the sick fuck pigs that instigated this episode will go down for murder IMO.

Yep, can't Resist. They define later what that means. I've always wondered about this one. Cops come to your house.

"We need to talk to you about something." I have nothing to talk about and say that. "sigh, we can just take you downtown."

Can they? I know they can detain us in public. But, if they aren't invited in, they can't detain you? And without an arrest warrant
taking you into custody without consent is kidnapping, isn't it? Or is there some stretch about the "detained" concept?

And is the refusal to be questioned probable cause?

 

[DreamTime]

Yep, can't Resist. They define later what that means. I've always wondered about this one. Cops come to your house.

"We need to talk to you about something." I have nothing to talk about and say that. "sigh, we can just take you downtown."

Can they? I know they can detain us in public. But, if they aren't invited in, they can't detain you? And without an arrest warrant
taking you into custody without consent is kidnapping, isn't it? Or is there some stretch about the "detained" concept?

And is the refusal to be questioned probable cause?

There are limits to LEO’s ability to detain you even in public. If they can’t come up with some crime or probable cause they will eventually have to let you go. They can’t just walk up to someone and detain them just for the fuck of it… at least not legally.

In the US, the cops can't come into your home unless they have a warrant, you invite them in, or they have probable cause.
If the cops come to your door, and say that they want to talk to you, you can decline.
If they ask you to open the door, you can decline.
If they ask you to step outside, you can also decline.
See this link regarding cops entering your home: http://www.flexyourrights.org/faq/how_to_deal_with_police_at_your_door

Refusing to talk to the cops is not considered probable cause neither is refusing to consent to a search (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Fuentes regarding refusal to consent to searches)

 

[MellowFarmer]

Don't ever consent to a search ever without a warrant and just hope when oh I mean if they still do that you got a good enough lawyer to prove you never consented or better video. I had a couple law classes as requirements for my major and one Instructor was a real live attorney by day and a damn good one. He would not shut up with good cause about asserting your rights and we started every class with this sing song -fill in the blanks

My name is

I live at

I would like to speak to my lawyer please.

and if they kept insisting throw in...

I'm sorry Officer I do value and respect police officers but... repeat until ?

 

[MellowFarmer]

I have always wondered what would happen if you just refused to answer unless they had the warrant and they knew you were in the house just ignoring them? I have always answered the Pig knock and just immediately stepped out and shut the door but it would be kind of fun to sit in the window just staring at them smiling

 

[dmcbride760]

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/81460739/

 

[C3Pgro]

"Don't Talk to the Police" by Professor James Duane

Are there any links to a canadian version you know?

 

[mike.hotel]

I was just reading this article (regarding Kelly Thomas), thought everyone might want an update posted two days ago...

[video]http://www.myfoxla.com/story/20624466/fullerton-officers-in-thomas-beating-back-in-court?autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId= 8205843[/video]