Obama: "I think same sex couples should be abe to get married

[UncleBuck]

The US Constitution does not distinguish gays as a class (not group)of people, therefore no basis for discrimination, or a violation of the 5th amendment.

Double jeopardy has absolutely no relevancy to this discussion. LMAO

ok, tell that to yourself.

i could swear i am either conversing with a pair of brothers who are 10 and 12 years old, or this:

the pekingese can probably grow better weed, too.

 

[beenthere]

you just keep on dodging questions and saying that the equal protection clause is to protect the states, not the people in them, all while bragging about being a lawyer (who grows the shittiest weed i have ever seen).

Really!

Show me where I claimed the equal protection clause protects the states, I knew you had a comprehension deficiency.
Unclebuck, you are so typical of most big mouth progressives. Much like your buddy Obama, you're both in over your heads but can't stop talking.

 

[UncleBuck]

Show me where I claimed the equal protection clause protects the states...

right here.

The equal protection clause in the 14th amendment refers to the equal rights of state governments.

 

[Metasynth]

ok, tell that to yourself.

i could swear i am either conversing with a pair of brothers who are 10 and 12 years old, or this:

the pekingese can probably grow better weed, too.

Hey man, did you know that dog is eating spaghetti?


Good on Obama for pulling his head out of hit ass...


What's all this ruckus about not, Beenthere? Do you really oppose gay marriage? Whats wrong with you, bro?

 

[dontexist21]

Marriage benfits
[h=3]Tax Benefits[/h]

• Filing joint income tax returns with the IRS and state taxing authorities.
• Creating a "family partnership" under federal tax laws, which allows you to divide business income among family members.

[h=3]Estate Planning Benefits[/h]

• Inheriting a share of your spouse's estate.
• Receiving an exemption from both estate taxes and gift taxes for all property you give or leave to your spouse.
• Creating life estate trusts that are restricted to married couples, including QTIP trusts, QDOT trusts, and marital deduction trusts.
• Obtaining priority if a conservator needs to be appointed for your spouse -- that is, someone to make financial and/or medical decisions on your spouse's behalf.

[h=3]Government Benefits[/h]

• Receiving Social Security, Medicare, and disability benefits for spouses.
• Receiving veterans' and military benefits for spouses, such as those for education, medical care, or special loans.
• Receiving public assistance benefits.

[h=3]Employment Benefits[/h]

• Obtaining insurance benefits through a spouse's employer.
• Taking family leave to care for your spouse during an illness.
• Receiving wages, workers' compensation, and retirement plan benefits for a deceased spouse.
• Taking bereavement leave if your spouse or one of your spouse's close relatives dies.

[h=3]Medical Benefits[/h]

• Visiting your spouse in a hospital intensive care unit or during restricted visiting hours in other parts of a medical facility.
• Making medical decisions for your spouse if he or she becomes incapacitated and unable to express wishes for treatment.

[h=3]Death Benefits[/h]

• Consenting to after-death examinations and procedures.
• Making burial or other final arrangements.

[h=3]Family Benefits[/h]

• Filing for stepparent or joint adoption.
• Applying for joint foster care rights.
• Receiving equitable division of property if you divorce.
• Receiving spousal or child support, child custody, and visitation if you divorce.

[h=3]Housing Benefits[/h]

• Living in neighborhoods zoned for "families only."
• Automatically renewing leases signed by your spouse.

[h=3]Consumer Benefits[/h]

• Receiving family rates for health, homeowners', auto, and other types of insurance.
• Receiving tuition discounts and permission to use school facilities.
• Other consumer discounts and incentives offered only to married couples or families.

[h=3]Other Legal Benefits and Protections[/h]

• Suing a third person for wrongful death of your spouse and loss of consortium (loss of intimacy).
• Suing a third person for offenses that interfere with the success of your marriage, such as alienation of affection and criminal conversation (these laws are available in only a few states).
• Claiming the marital communications privilege, which means a court can't force you to disclose the contents of confidential communications between you and your spouse during your marriage.
• Receiving crime victims' recovery benefits if your spouse is the victim of a crime.
• Obtaining immigration and residency benefits for noncitizen spouse.
• Visiting rights in jails and other places where visitors are restricted to immediate family.

Yeah no discrimination here.

 

[UncleBuck]

Marriage benfits
Tax Benefits

• Filing joint income tax returns with the IRS and state taxing authorities.
• Creating a "family partnership" under federal tax laws, which allows you to divide business income among family members.

Estate Planning Benefits

• Inheriting a share of your spouse's estate.
• Receiving an exemption from both estate taxes and gift taxes for all property you give or leave to your spouse.
• Creating life estate trusts that are restricted to married couples, including QTIP trusts, QDOT trusts, and marital deduction trusts.
• Obtaining priority if a conservator needs to be appointed for your spouse -- that is, someone to make financial and/or medical decisions on your spouse's behalf.

Government Benefits

• Receiving Social Security, Medicare, and disability benefits for spouses.
• Receiving veterans' and military benefits for spouses, such as those for education, medical care, or special loans.
• Receiving public assistance benefits.

Employment Benefits

• Obtaining insurance benefits through a spouse's employer.
• Taking family leave to care for your spouse during an illness.
• Receiving wages, workers' compensation, and retirement plan benefits for a deceased spouse.
• Taking bereavement leave if your spouse or one of your spouse's close relatives dies.

Medical Benefits

• Visiting your spouse in a hospital intensive care unit or during restricted visiting hours in other parts of a medical facility.
• Making medical decisions for your spouse if he or she becomes incapacitated and unable to express wishes for treatment.

Death Benefits

• Consenting to after-death examinations and procedures.
• Making burial or other final arrangements.

Family Benefits

• Filing for stepparent or joint adoption.
• Applying for joint foster care rights.
• Receiving equitable division of property if you divorce.
• Receiving spousal or child support, child custody, and visitation if you divorce.

Housing Benefits

• Living in neighborhoods zoned for "families only."
• Automatically renewing leases signed by your spouse.

Consumer Benefits

• Receiving family rates for health, homeowners', auto, and other types of insurance.
• Receiving tuition discounts and permission to use school facilities.
• Other consumer discounts and incentives offered only to married couples or families.

Other Legal Benefits and Protections

• Suing a third person for wrongful death of your spouse and loss of consortium (loss of intimacy).
• Suing a third person for offenses that interfere with the success of your marriage, such as alienation of affection and criminal conversation (these laws are available in only a few states).
• Claiming the marital communications privilege, which means a court can't force you to disclose the contents of confidential communications between you and your spouse during your marriage.
• Receiving crime victims' recovery benefits if your spouse is the victim of a crime.
• Obtaining immigration and residency benefits for noncitizen spouse.
• Visiting rights in jails and other places where visitors are restricted to immediate family.

Yeah no discrimination here.

to be fair, romney is not opposed to gays getting all those things, he just doesn't want gays to have the dignity of calling it actual marriage. even 'civil union' is too much. he thinks gays need to be relegated to second class citizen status instead.

are you married? no, we're domestically partnershipped.

 

[beenthere]

Should adult men be able to marry more than one wife, should they be able to legally marry 10 yr old little girls and boys?

 

[UncleBuck]

Should adult men be able to marry more than one wife, should they be able to legally marry 10 yr old little girls and boys?

10 year old girls and boys can not consent, so no.

adults can consent, so yes, men should be able to marry more than one wife and women should be able to take more than one husband.

the real question is to you: should two consenting adults of the same sex be allowed to marry?

 

[dontexist21]

Should adult men be able to marry more than one wife, should they be able to legally marry 10 yr old little girls and boys?

Are you fucking going there are you fucking saying that that gay marriage is tantamount to marrying children. YOU ARE A FUCKING BIGOT. NO BECAUSE TWO GAY PEOPLE FUCKING CONSENTING ADULTS. And to the first question have you been to utah or nevada polygamy is legal. I suggest stopping now to stop sounding more like a dumbass bigot. Whats next going to talk about bestiality. fucking bigot. Give me ONE ONE good reason gay marriage should not happen and how it will harm society.

 

[beenthere]

right here.

How in the hell do you get protect out of the word refers?
Can you even understand a ballot when you go to vote, no wonder your ole lady goes to college and you stay home! LMFAO

 

[Canna Sylvan]

Why do dip shits have to make this about the morality of gay marriage. It should be about gays going off on Obama being a bigot. He's already said his view is "evolving." Why can't you all have the guts to say fuck you Obama? His evolving means I'll stall until I need to use this as a wild card. He doesn't care about you, he wants you to suck his micro-penis Irish dick. Don't you see that grin on his face? That's the same shit eating grin psychopaths like serial killers have. I always wondered why neighbors always act so shocked. You don't even realize Obama is fucking you in the ass. This is the same guy who mocks you and says he can detain any American citizen indefinitely. I personally would like to pretend he doesn't exist, let alone he's my best friend.

 

[UncleBuck]

How in the hell do you get protect out of the word refers?
Can you even understand a ballot when you go to vote, no wonder your ole lady goes to college and you stay home! LMFAO

when you say "refers to the equal rights" of the state, like you did at first, you imply that the state has rights, and by definition rights need to be protected. guaranteed, actually. certainly not voted upon by the majority.

i bet if we held a majority vote tomorrow, a fairly shocking amount of people that defend marriage inequality would vote to reinstate miscegeny laws.

anyhoo, you're as amusing as a dog eating spaghetti from a fork.

 

[beenthere]

Are you fucking going there are you fucking saying that that gay marriage is tantamount to marrying children. YOU ARE A FUCKING BIGOT. NO BECAUSE TWO GAY PEOPLE FUCKING CONSENTING ADULTS. And to the first question have you been to utah or nevada polygamy is legal. I suggest stopping now to stop sounding more like a dumbass bigot. Whats next going to talk about bestiality. fucking bigot. Give me ONE ONE good reason gay marriage should not happen and how it will harm society.

Is this where I'm suppose to act like a bad ass behind the computer like you? LOL
BTW, polygamy is not legal in Nevada and Utah or anywhere else in the US, get an education.

 

[beenthere]

when you say "refers to the equal rights" of the state, like you did at first, you imply that the state has rights, and by definition rights need to be protected. guaranteed, actually. certainly not voted upon by the majority.

i bet if we held a majority vote tomorrow, a fairly shocking amount of people that defend marriage inequality would vote to reinstate miscegeny laws.

anyhoo, you're as amusing as a dog eating spaghetti from a fork.

One minute your citing the 14th and 16th amendments of the constitution, the next minute your trashing the 10th amendment, I have a feeling you struggled to get your GED.

 

[UncleBuck]

One minute your citing the 14th and 16th amendments of the constitution, the next minute your trashing the 10th amendment, I have a feeling you struggled to get your GED.

the tenth has its place, too. but states' rights do not give license to violate equal protection under the law.

i have a feeling you're a pekingese eating spaghetti from a fork. no one knows if you're a dog on the internet.

 

[dontexist21]

Is this where I'm suppose to act like a bad ass behind the computer like you? LOL
BTW, polygamy is not legal in Nevada and Utah or anywhere else in the US, get an education.

lI was wrong, it was tolerated in utah.but you did just ask if gay marriage was ok then should pedophilia was ok. I have an education, one in biochemistry, and if I met you in person I would still call you a bigot. Well you either have to be a bigot or stupid to ask that. How does one go from gay marriage to pedophilia? Next your going to go to beastility. Maybe if you thought about your question for more then 2 seconds it would show you how stupid and bigotted it is, but that might be asking to much.

 

[dontexist21]

People do realise that marriage is older then states and religion. Marriage pretty much means the joining of two families. Gay marriage was around in acient times. So again what is the argument against it? This is a right men and woman have had for eons, no state has the right to dictate who gets to practice it.

 

[deprave]

I think you guys know where I stand on this, I am against marriage all together, its unfair to single people. I don't think anyone should be able to get married "officially" and get speicial privileges. I think everyone should be able to get married but ...I am against state institutionalized marriage completely.

as it is written above "no state has the right to dictate who gets to practice it." - yes unfortantely they do when they pay these people.....otherwise...No they don't....Gay people can get married anywhere in the U.S now..they just can't get the perks of an official state sponsored marriage and that is "the issue"... Are we going to be arguing for people marrying animals next? I think I will argue for that and marry my dog so I can get a tax break lmao...No..End the Insitution of Marriage outright or just legalize everything marriage.



Take the state out of marriage and problem solved for everyone.

 

[MuyLocoNC]

That's a good point Deprave. If homosexuals are being discriminated against by not being able to receive the same benefits as married couples, then single people should be given the exact same consideration. That's just one flaw in the argument, no one has a right to equal benefits. The government specifically gives those benefits to married couples because it wants to promote propagation, the expansion of the population. More people = more revenue in their eyes.

So, according to Uncle Buck and others, Obama is a bigot, a scumbag and a conservative loon and doesn't understand the Constitution. He just affirmed his belief that the issue should be DECIDED at the state level. If it is as cut and dry as you state, and call me names for the exact same view as Obama, then why didn't he state the same argument you have? HMMM? Why is a Constitutional professor (lol) not saying it is a right and quote the 14th amendment? He is a Constitutional scholar after all, doesn't he know about equal protection under the law?

Squirm your way out of that one, dumbshit.

 

[dontexist21]

That's a good point Deprave. If homosexuals are being discriminated against by not being able to receive the same benefits as married couples, then single people should be given the exact same consideration. That's just one flaw in the argument, no one has a right to equal benefits. The government specifically gives those benefits to married couples because it wants to promote propagation, the expansion of the population. More people = more revenue in their eyes.

So, according to Uncle Buck and others, Obama is a bigot, a scumbag and a conservative loon and doesn't understand the Constitution. He just affirmed his belief that the issue should be DECIDED at the state level. If it is as cut and dry as you state, and call me names for the exact same view as Obama, then why didn't he state the same argument you have? HMMM? Why is a Constitutional professor (lol) not saying it is a right and quote the 14th amendment? He is a Constitutional scholar after all, doesn't he know about equal protection under the law?

Squirm your way out of that one, dumbshit.

Wow again you miss the point by a mile try again. Single people can do that, by getting married see me point. Yet a gay service member is not able to get and get the same benefits. Yup no problem there, a person who serves our country is not able to visit their spouse in the hospital because others don't approve. Yup continue to close you eyes and pretend there is no problem. Yup don't blame Obama, didn't blame Bush, I blame the Americans who our stuck in the 1960s who refuse to believe that two people that love each other should be treated differently. Answer me this should they, simple yes or no?